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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Dude, when I was in HS, we were learning typing... on actual typewriters. Manual ones. TAs using fricking *rulers* to measure fractions of an inch on student assignments. And TAs were needed in that class bc it took like 10min to make all the measurements on each student's paper.
I remember that every classroom in grammar school at the top of the blackboard at least, and often along other ceiling borders, there were examples of the Palmer method displayed to remind student's how their writing should look. Today, not only do they not teach cursive at all, but most students can't even read it. That, and the introduction to calculators, were some of the earliest ways technology completely changed the mechanics of the classroom. It probably won't be long before school libraries disappear in favor of the Internet.
 

Octavia

No thoughts, head empty
@Vitolo Silent fireworks are a thing and I believe some cities around the world have banned all but silent ones. I don't know how any animal lover could condone the use of the traditional type after they've seen the affect they have of wildlife. We all know about dogs, but that seems widely accepted. I've seen bats cower shaking on the ground unable to fly due the noise, small birds too. Can only imagine what we don't see.
Yeah, they upset basically everything. Last weekend was walking my dog and some folks started setting off the particularly loud varieties (mortar or m80) in the park down the road. My poor dog started trying to run and hide while the local crows started making their “we’re under attack!” noise and started behaving like a school of fish where they would clump together and dive every time one went off. The only thing that didn’t seem bothered were the squirrels, who don’t move for anything further than a meter away.

Thankfully towns around me have started banning fireworks (except for sanctioned shows), and the folks who used to set off m80s at midnight randomly throughout the year moved away so it’s getting less stressful over time.
 

florduh

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It probably won't be long before school libraries disappear in favor of the Internet

Some of my favorite memories as a little kid are of going to the local public library during summer break. Wandering the aisles and finding something that caught my eye.

I also remember my first week at university. The main library descended several floors into the Earth. It was called "The Stacks". You'd take a rickety elevator down and on every floor, there would be rows of books as far as the eye could see. Many of them well over a century old. I can still vividly remember the musty smell. Magical.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
They opened a beautiful library in my town in about 2000. Four stories good security very modern building. Lots of glass and balconies on the upper floors so that you can sit outside and read if you prefer. A dozen conference rooms for public use.
I went in there mid day this week to use one of their high end copiers to copy a 20 page document when I found I was low on ink on my own printer. There were maybe 10 people in the building who didn't work there. Growing up as a kid, my local library was always quite busy with a lot of young and old people using it.
I don't believe technology has eliminated the need for public libraries, but apparently a lot of people do. I truly hope they don't go away.
 

Octavia

No thoughts, head empty
I have always and always will loved libraries.

Cursive not being taught any longer. What is the reason for its discontinance.?
I always wondered why cursive was ever taught. I remember hearing something about making writing quicker, but most cursive I’ve seen ends up being more of an incomprehensible mess than the worst print writing I’ve seen. I assume it’s a relic of an era when writing utensils caused more noise and harm to the writing surface than modern pens/pencils?

When I was in school it was taught for 1 year then was only used once in high school by the new teacher for an essay test. As far as I’m aware he never made another class do a cursive test since we were so terrible at it.

Genuine question, is there a reason you like cursive? Never met anyone who genuinely enjoyed it, so would be interested to know what I’m missing
 

Bazinga

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I always wondered why cursive was ever taught. I remember hearing something about making writing quicker, but most cursive I’ve seen ends up being more of an incomprehensible mess than the worst print writing I’ve seen. I assume it’s a relic of an era when writing utensils caused more noise and harm to the writing surface than modern pens/pencils?

When I was in school it was taught for 1 year then was only used once in high school by the new teacher for an essay test. As far as I’m aware he never made another class do a cursive test since we were so terrible at it.

Genuine question, is there a reason you like cursive? Never met anyone who genuinely enjoyed it, so would be interested to know what I’m missing
I don't think I really care one way or another. My cursive sucked. For that matter so does my printing. Some cursive writers have provided beautiful handwriting that I admired. I was wondering why it's no longer taught and I think you gave me a reasonable answer. BTW - my typing also sucks !!
 

Cheebsy

Fermentation Fiend
I like cursive, it's much quicker than printing for me, but I always use print when filling out forms...

I grew up in the UK but when I was 8 i moved to the States for a couple of years. US teachers didn't like the way I wrote a lower case "r" and made me (tried to) change my handwriting, it really suffered as a result. Then when I returned my teachers couldn't read my writing so I had to change again which was a bit easier than the other way because it was just reminding myself of the muscle memory. It had a severe impact on my learning, not just limited to handwriting, not to mention I was doing maths with fractions when I left the UK only to then be learning division in the US... It took a couple of years for me to catch up again. Anyway, after all that trauma, I still prefer to write "joined up" as we called it back then and I can't imagine anything else now. When I used to be in business it was invaluable for note taking in fast running meetings.
 
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Bazinga

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Why would I have a problem with a public option for grocery stores? The Free Market has created food deserts across NYC (and in many other areas across America). Is there another solution other than, "fuck the poors, let them survive on frozen burritos from the corner mart"?

There is a trickle down societal benefit to more people having access to affordable healthy food. You're always paying for "someone else's" healthcare, because that's how insurance works. Also, as a tax payer, I'd rather people enter their Medicare eligibility years with fewer health problems:shrug:

NYC has a big, powerful government. They can use economies of scale to buy food at wholesale. Because the store doesn't need to make a profit for lazy shareholders and executives, it can run the store at-cost and deliver lower cost groceries to New Yorkers.



I don't think he has a single policy that hasn't been successfully implemented elsewhere. My midsize college town had free busses for everyone. Zohran's most ambitious policy is free childcare. Finland has had free or low cost childcare for years.


Pretty sure he was polling at about 0% when this came out a few months ago. Everyone's pooping their pants calling this guy a crazy radical. Meanwhile all he's saying is, "let's do a few common sense things to help make this city somewhat affordable for normal people"

I know conservatives who watched that video and admitted, "ok, this guy has 'the juice'"
I do agree with the public option of supermarkets in the "food desert" areas. If I understand it correctly they stores would not be run on earning a profit. Since no profit motive theft would not cause the stores to move or close. Unfortunately, I think the high levels of theft (and damage) would continue. My understanding is that Walmart, Target, and other supermarkets left those areas due to theft and unsustainability. So yeah, the public option may work. The post office has been operating since circa 1775. I'm uncertain if they are still losing money and I don't think anyone really cares.

The Federal Government has been running grocery stores for over 200 years and it's been fine.

Actually I think its 157 years. Close enough for discussion. I wish I could shop there !! If the DOD ran the public option I think there is a better chance for success since as you mentioned the have done a fine job for the last 200/157 years. I'm always concerned that the folks who may run the stores would be the same caliber of people that run the MVA, IRS, etc.
 
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Flotsam

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I do agree with the public option of supermarkets in the "food desert" areas. If I understand it correctly they stores would not be run on earning a profit. Since no profit motive theft would not cause the stores to move or close. Unfortunately, I think the high levels of theft (and damage) would continue. My understanding is that Walmart, Target, and other supermarkets left those areas due to theft and unsustainability. So yeah, the public option may work. The post office has been operating since circa 1775. I'm uncertain if they are still losing money and I don't think anyone really cares.
The thing that i recall most related is that there used to be town funded food bank. There were some paid positions but a number of them were volunteer positions where someone who was in the neighborhood could volunteer some time in exchange for a discount. The town provided the location and enhancements necessary to get up and running. Some businesses were upset because it undercut their prices.
 
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Octavia

No thoughts, head empty
I don't think I really care one way or another. My cursive sucked. For that matter so does my printing. Some cursive writers have provided beautiful handwriting that I admired. I was wondering why it's no longer taught and I think you gave me a reasonable answer. BTW - my typing also sucks !!
Fair enough! I think students were required to write/copy a “I will not cheat” statement as part of a standardised test at some point, but I don’t remember if I ever needed to do it.

Me too, but I'm the only one that can read it, and even I ask others to help me read what I wrote!
Same, I tried to write more legibly, but found the only way I could do so was with a more expensive and smudgy pen so I eventually stopped bothering. Plus side is since my handwriting is so terrible, I actually don’t have trouble reading most other people’s awful handwriting which has been useful for translating other engineer’s scribbled notes.
 

bellona0544

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Some of my favorite memories as a little kid are of going to the local public library during summer break. Wandering the aisles and finding something that caught my eye.

I also remember my first week at university. The main library descended several floors into the Earth. It was called "The Stacks". You'd take a rickety elevator down and on every floor, there would be rows of books as far as the eye could see. Many of them well over a century old. I can still vividly remember the musty smell. Magical.
So, so many hours reading old sci fi standing up between the shelves cuz I started a story before bothering to sit down.

Has anyone seen the Dropout video on a Dewey decimal system for grocery stores? It is one of those things that came up as a stupid idea before I realized that it would change my LIFE to be able to go to any grocery store of any size in this country and know how to navigate the aisles. You could also have "grocery librarians" who act as information for people looking to get or make food, and they could be educated on all sorts of cultural aspects of food so people can more meaningfully engage in what they are cooking.

I do agree with the public option of supermarkets in the "food desert" areas. If I understand it correctly they stores would not be run on earning a profit. Since no profit motive theft would not cause the stores to move or close. Unfortunately, I think the high levels of theft (and damage) would continue. My understanding is that Walmart, Target, and other supermarkets left those areas due to theft and unsustainability. So yeah, the public option may work. The post office has been operating since circa 1775. I'm uncertain if they are still losing money and I don't think anyone really cares.


Actually I think its 157 years. Close enough for discussion. I wish I could shop there !! If the DOD ran the public option I think there is a better chance for success since as you mentioned the have done a fine job for the last 200/157 years. I'm always concerned that the folks who may run the stores would be the same caliber of people that run the MVA, IRS, etc.
You think the DOD has done a good job for the past 200 years? are you familiar with the state of the VA? Or how many veterans get kicked off benefits? Or the massive suicide rate of veterans who are left without critical mental health support? Or the carbon emissions from the military industrial complex?

What, exactly, has the DOD done a good job of besides killing brown people for their resources?

Do any of you invest in physical gold or silver?
No. I invest in real assets that produce tangible benefits like real estate, gardening supplies, and community events. I used to do primarily equity and options trading and made a nice little sum that I used to buy my house. There is no level of wealth I can attain that will shield me from the climate crisis and its associated political instability, so investing in monetary assets is not a useful endeavor for me anymore, and instead prioritizing my immediate living situation and community is a smarter way of having resilience in the face of system change and collapse.
 
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No. I invest in real assets that produce tangible benefits like real estate, gardening supplies, and community events. I used to do primarily equity and options trading and made a nice little sum that I used to buy my house. There is no level of wealth I can attain that will shield me from the climate crisis and its associated political instability, so investing in monetary assets is not a useful endeavor for me anymore, and instead prioritizing my immediate living situation and community is a smarter way of having resilience in the face of system change and collapse.
I’ve just recently started investing in silver and gold coins. I would still consider gold and silver real assets. I feel silver might bring more profits than gold if the demand surges in the near future, which looks likely. Can’t go wrong with gold, been used for thousands of years, holds its value and still going to combat hyperinflation.
Real estate is a great investment also the gardening supplies so you can be more self-sufficient. Probably a great idea to do a little bit of everything… diversification.
 
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Yes the last 4 years of inflation and shit economy makes one ponder assets to invest in. Never really a bad time to invest unless spot is crazy high, but I'm now in a financial situation where I can afford to make significant investments.
I will eventually buy a property but probably not in San Diego.
 
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florduh

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There are two kinds of gold fans. If people buy precious metals as a hedge against market instability, that’s fine.

But there are also people who buy gold because they believe the dollar will collapse or the government will fail. In those cases you’re better off investing in guns and ammo. Better than real estate.

No one actually owns real estate. You own a piece of paper from the government that says you own real estate. No government? Well then… you only occupy that land until guys with more guns show up:shrug:
 
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