Quitting dabs

[smalenka420]

...what u using to press?

my girls hair straightener. It's crazy how simple it is.

 

[Dramma Lamma]

Take a dab, then go for a run.

Vape a bowl or 15, and go for a run.

Which run was easier and did you go farther?

Sure, lets sit here all day and debate the "long run" health of dabs VS vapes.

But for me, I can 100% say I feel better off not dabbing primarily based solely off of lung function.

I live in SO-CAL and work in the industry, without question getting good professionally made flower is way easier than concentrate. Simply put the more steps there are, the more likely people are to cut a corner.

Having seen more than a few people I know go through bad cannabis hyperemesis, recover. Then get back into dabbing a lot and suffer again even worse, that's the last straw.

I dabbed only for over a year and about 5 months ago had a vacation which made me realize this and switched to vape primary.

I only dab on occasion now.

 

[PPN]

One of my friends told me yesterday he was quitting dabs cause lungs issues.....after looking at his(homemade) concentrates i understooq quickly why: a pure tane soup! (he didn't purge at all he blast and scrap that's all!), I already explain him what to do but some guys don't listen anything.

Without to come to this extremity I think a very pure and well made concentrates might be safer than vape flowers but, even with some high tech tools it is very difficult to remove all "contaminants" (especially when you grows outdoor like me), to avoid to get some plant fats or chlorophyl, to purge enough, to be sure of your solvent purity, etc....

I think this sort of concentrates exists, not homemade (there is always exception), not for cheap and not everywhere!

Ithink we are encountering the same issues with all sort of concentrates more steps there is more contaminants could be added to the "mixture".

I would like to test something containing only THC, CBD & terpènes!

I can't...that's why i restrected my concentrates use to special occasion only.

 

[randomtoker]

I've gone all over the place. I quit smoking bud over 4 years ago and switched to vaping (bud). I dabbed plenty in that time, but always prefered vaping flowers for the same reason I quit smoking (throat / lung health).

I engage at a pretty high enthusiast level in a lot physical pursuits that are more important to me than anything else (skateboarding, mountain biking, trail running, scuba and free diving, etc).

To each their own, but the way most people dab is too harsh for me, feels like smoking. Run a hack 'filter' (tube with tissue paper in it) for a couple weeks between a dab rig and your mouth and look at the guck. I can't take that on my lungs.

I totally agree with @2clicker that it's not necessary to dab frat party style all the time. Big crazy dabs are certainly a great way to get blasted, but there are many ways to take advantage of the benefits of concentrates outside of what's traditionally considered dabbing.

From porta-dripper ecig one hitters, to thinning in vape juice and sub-ohm'ing. Lots of possibilities to sip concentrates casually.

Myself, I switched from vaping flowers to sub-ohm vaping diy concentrate juice over 6 months ago. I enjoy moderate, low temp juice vaping and find it less harsh on my throat and lungs than vaping flowers or dabbing.

However, there's still a noticeable toll from any form of vaporizing in my observation. I'm enthused about tinctures at the moment. Slower acting than vaping, but much faster than edibles.

It's all good, just different intentions and times and places in our lives when things work best for us. It's been fun reading this thread to see the different ways everyone flows!

 

[peterpiper]

Since I discovered rosin it's been dabs all the way with a ceramic donut
When I smoked it was 3g a day
When I vaped it was 2g a day
Now I dab its 1g a day (.45g of rosin from 1 gram of Lebanese pressed hash)
See my avatar, they are between .45g and.49g, all pressed from 1g.
Flowers don't make sense anymore now I have access to this!

 

[h3rbalist]

Since I discovered rosin it's been dabs all the way with a ceramic donut
When I smoked it was 3g a day
When I vaped it was 2g a day
Now I dab its 1g a day (.45g of rosin from 1 gram of Lebanese pressed hash)
See my avatar, they are between .45g and.49g, all pressed from 1g.
Flowers don't make sense anymore now I have access to this!

Exsqueeze me????? You press .5 of rosin from 1.0 of hash?

Do you have a thread detailing your technique? Because I'd love to see the grade of hash you use to see if I could source the same. I have had great results with keef but as I don't grow anymore it is a little tricky to get. But I can get all different kinds of hash no problem.

Nice work, lovely avatar.

Edit..
I dab a lot of BHO btw but would prefer rosin on a more regular basis.

 

[peterpiper]

Ooh I do
I've changed my avatar again
Sorry can't do photos, only have my phone
This is me holding a crappy hydroponic (£2.50) microscope whilst taking photo with my phone
Believe me it doesn't do it justice
This is the Lebanese
The first avatar had dark (not when held up to the light) and light (almost orange) pieces
They are from the same source, the darker more cbd and the lighter higher thc
Got same amount form both
Have also had the same from Nepalese black, very nice

 

[JRR22611]

I quit dabbing for the most part after some grape ape shatter from my local dispensary sizzled and popped in my quartz bucket. This had never happened to me before and after some research I came to the conclusion the product was either not properly purged or not properly stored thus introducing moisture into the shatter.
It occurred to me that sucking in trace amounts of butane + very hot air can't be all that good for the body so I'm keeping my eyes on some 1-2 gram/ day guinea pigs so I can see the side effects. (Chest pain and poor memory are prevalent - go figure).
I don't fully trust rosin at this point either but I'm optimistic break throughs will be made to create solvent free medical grade extracts that are regulated to the highest standard.

 

[OldOyler]

I quit dabbing for the most part after some grape ape shatter from my local dispensary sizzled and popped in my quartz bucket. This had never happened to me before and after some research I came to the conclusion the product was either not properly purged or not properly stored thus introducing moisture into the shatter.
It occurred to me that sucking in trace amounts of butane + very hot air can't be all that good for the body so I'm keeping my eyes on some 1-2 gram/ day guinea pigs so I can see the side effects. (Chest pain and poor memory are prevalent - go figure).
I don't fully trust rosin at this point either but I'm optimistic break throughs will be made to create solvent free medical grade extracts that are regulated to the highest standard.

Yes, I agree about watching others first!

One gram of Loud House Extracts Romulan Grapefruit lasts me four days and I'm a chronic pain guy...! :-)

A lightweight at MY age, I suppose, although I checked this thread because I only recently started concentrates, I was going through a half oh zee of flowers each week.

Peace everyone!

 

[JRR22611]

cannabis hyperemesis

I'm glad this curious condition has been brought into dialogue. I think it's very real and I know people who might suffer from it to a degree. It'll be interesting to see further research.

 

[Dramma Lamma]

I'm glad this curious condition has been brought into dialogue. I think it's very real and I know people who might suffer from it to a degree. It'll be interesting to see further research.

0 question in my mind, high concentrate usage opens you up to this more.

Is it a direct link between lots of concentrate and hyperemesiss? I'm not going to make that claim, but are they related in some way?

100% yes.

The shit is real, I've put in a boatload of hours covering someones shift because of it.

 

[063_XOBX]

I'm going to come in here with a counterpoint, I've never experience the CHE from concentrates but when I smoked/vaped flowers often I had some issues with it.

I agree that concentrates are more psychologically addictive but at the same time I personally am able to get medicated with less negative effects.

 

[JRR22611]

I'm going to come in here with a counterpoint, I've never experience the CHE from concentrates but when I smoked/vaped flowers often I had some issues with it.

I agree that concentrates are more psychologically addictive but at the same time I personally am able to get medicated with less negative effects.

I agree completely that concentrates are a better delivery of medicine. There seems to be a grey area with smoking/vaporizing flowers; when one uses cannabis in this way though feeling pain relief, one might also feel mentally foggy and experience headaches while many people swear smoking a joint will rid their headache. Sometimes my mind wanders, speculating at what pesticides were used in the grow, the environment the flower was grown, cured, and stored. There's many variables to consider.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

Do you think it the concentrates that do more harm or the higher temperatures? I like to use my concentrates in my convection vaporizers at relatively low temperatures. As low as 374°F, sometimes going up to maybe 420°.

This will give a very flower like experience, with multiple big clouds from one dab's worth of concentrate. The effects are usually clearer with less sedation than flowers. It produces amazing flavor too, way better than traditional dabbing.

It does feel a little more harsh on my lungs, but I think that is because of the higher concentrations of THC. I get the same effect with extra potent flowers, it's not exclusive to concentrate use. Water filtering doesn't help much with this either, hence my belief that it is the THC causing the irritation.

 

[JRR22611]

Do you think it the concentrates that do more harm or the higher temperatures? I like to use my concentrates in my convection vaporizers at relatively low temperatures. As low as 374°F, sometimes going up to maybe 420°.

This will give a very flower like experience, with multiple big clouds from one dab's worth of concentrate. The effects are usually clearer with less sedation than flowers. It produces amazing flavor too, way better than traditional dabbing.

It does feel a little more harsh on my lungs, but I think that is because of the higher concentrations of THC. I get the same effect with extra potent flowers, it's not exclusive to concentrate use. Water filtering doesn't help much with this either, hence my belief that it is the THC causing the irritation.

In my opinion it is the high temperature that is most benign - the short term side-effects are obviously inflammation of the throat due to the extreme heat. When, in history have people sucked such hot air directly into their respiratory system. The answer is never, so I cannot speculate the long term side effects.

The concentrate itself vaporized at lower temperatures have proved no harm that I'm aware of in any case.
There's my 2 cents.

 

[miguelovic]

Anyone experience withdrawl like symptoms?

My boss dabs predominantly, 1-2g a day. He ran out and had issues getting more. Started complaining of withdrawl like symptoms (previous addict to another mistress). This was more or less his first break since he started dabbing three years ago.

Not looking to start a war (fuck you Miley Cyrus), I am just curious if others have felt similar.

 

[mrbonsai420]

I LOVE dabbing. I am a professional who works 50 hours a week in a heavily cerebral environment. I find it gives me a clean high that I need to concentrate (pun intended) and work well. Plus nothing works better for stress relief and that knock-out blow before you go to bed.
I will admit that it raises your tolerance but I haven't taken a T-Break in 25 years so that may have something to do with it! LOL. no matter your tolerance, you take a tasty dab of quality concentrate through a low temp enail and it is going to do the trick!


I don't care for T-breaks and I won't run out to test this withdrawl theory for you. but I REALLY doubt it's physical symptoms since THC doesn't work on the CNS like Opiates. Mental, sure. I would be a little crabby without my morning dab too!
Rosin is super easy to make and before I had good Trate available I used to make my own BHO. I still have a top of the line vac purge setup and all the goodies to make it if you need to borrow it!!

 

[OldOyler]

... you take a tasty dab of quality concentrate through a low temp enail and it is going to do the trick!!

Would love to hear specific setup!

Just got "up" to using my two Kanger 1600mah VV batteries (3.2 - 4.8 I think it is) and some globes with two quartz coils inside a ceramic cup on primarily shatter (comes in cakes, and I made some as well), also some rosin BUT I am still only 75/25 pro on that (which isn't a terribly popular opinion), but I have only had a few cakes of that, one was apparently full of sulphur, strong odor/taste of rubber so that is still sticking with me.

I like the lower temps as well (3.4-3.6), and wondered what effect that has on tolerance, both short and long term?

In my mind I have been saying "I wish I had a NAIL of some sort to go on top of my battery inside that globe" (or the like). So that's why I ask. I didn't get whether your rig is on a pen, on a desk, etc. Still learning.

Getting a fancy box with VV/VW and...not sure what else yet, as my Christmas present this year. (@2clicker is currently making his way painfully through helping me spec some stuff out, hope some karma comes shooting back his way. If he has to explain "box" v "mod" again I think he'll need a head doctor...)

So I am trying to consider things like tolerance, etc. so I don't "over-hammer" myself by overdoing wattage, etc. just because I "can", and end up scrambling to reset my internal canna-clock.

Peace everyone!

Anyone experience withdrawl like symptoms?

My boss dabs predominantly, 1-2g a day. He ran out and had issues getting more. Started complaining of withdrawl like symptoms (previous addict to another mistress). This was more or less his first break since he started dabbing three years ago.

Not looking to start a war (fuck you Miley Cyrus), I am just curious if others have felt similar.

Curious about underlying condition being treated if it was medical (honestly for me to even give a good opinion), since stuff like anxiety and other "internal" or "head" stuff like that is pretty serious and can cause those types of symptoms. But I have had to use tons of "off-label" prescribed stuff from doctors for chronic pain, and many of those combinations sure did cause what was consistently just "generalized withdrawal", even when a Schedule drug wasn't involved. Seratonin, etc. There's a lot of chemicals that get in the groove and you can't just shock them out of it, no matter what.

And that's just knowing the underlying MAIN medical stuff. If he uses non-medically (which I am SO totally cool with, no hater over here) then still those medical questions need to be asked. "Withdrawal" can actually be other things, like when I had to switch to cannabis flowers a few years back (I had been taking Rick Simpson Oil in a capsule only), I got stomach problems very much like opiate withdrawal. Why? One, I had been using cannabis for a few years at a much higher intake, absolutely. But it was also because cannabis had been FIXING my cancer-ridden pancreas BEFORE I knew about the cancer. Withdrawing the cannabis accidentally helped me have symptoms and have doctors detect it at Stage II.

It's terrible we can't get better medical care while we consume cannabis. But so it is, and until then these poor guys can only guess, and that's dangerous without an actual doctor (which is always my first suggestion). Good things from me to them.

Peace everyone!

 

[JRR22611]

Anyone experience withdrawl like symptoms?

My boss dabs predominantly, 1-2g a day. He ran out and had issues getting more. Started complaining of withdrawl like symptoms (previous addict to another mistress). This was more or less his first break since he started dabbing three years ago.

Not looking to start a war (fuck you Miley Cyrus), I am just curious if others have felt similar.

That's a lot of concentrate to consume on a daily basis. A lot of dopamine release.
Personally I've never experienced withdrawals but I've seen it in other people and it usually just take the form of irritability.
Maybe you've already read about it but a condition called Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, but this will cause symptoms similar to parting ways with the mistress - ending the love affair.

 

[OldOyler]

That's a lot of concentrate to consume on a daily basis. A lot of dopamine release.
Personally I've never experienced withdrawals but I've seen it in other people and it usually just take the form of irritability.
Maybe you've already read about it but a condition called Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, but this will cause symptoms similar to parting ways with the mistress - ending the love affair.

Wanted to get behind you on this, you mentioned it before in another post I think?

If we cannabis users face our own demons, the less folks from the outside can throw stones. And side effects such as this do exist, and at what probably would be considered "clinically significant rates" in the prescription world.

I am a huge fan of "CHOOSE".

I've had 7 back surgeries, metal in my spine and rods, yadda yadda. Every doctor, whether prescribing opiates (which I quit over a decade ago, not going back) or especially anything off-label, does a simple "Benefit versus Risk" and "Side Effect Profile". Not knocking them here with this, but every time THEY got to decide that calculation and spit out something at the pharmacy at the other end.

I think if we face side effects squarely, then that risk-benefit equation becomes easy for each man or woman to do for themselves. I have really, really appreciated this thread and people posting honestly about amounts, side effects, NOT side effects, etc. It's what we CAN do to look at this stuff, and I am getting ready to go much more into dabs, and so I am grateful in advance.

IMO we can be a bit defensive now that it seems like everyone isn't trying to take our heads off about the general safety of cannabis. Let's not let that keep us from taking care of each *other*.



Peace and good things to everyone!

 

[Eatrocks]

A dab is like a shit vs flower is like a beer. When u get a bag of flower its not going to be consistant like conc. You get 1 or 2 great looking nugs with a lot of popcorn/small nugs. The potency is going to vary as u pick thru the buds.

A g of conc will last me a week or more of heavy, small dab, use. Have prob 1/3 g of gsc i got a week ago, it melted slighty in my car and left this paper thin grease spot which i peeled off and threw in my new quartz atty...swear the flavor coated my throat like cough syrup.

 

[syrupy]

A dab is like a shit vs flower is like a beer.

That sentence is why I gave up concentrates.

 

[miguelovic]

If your bags are loaded with larf, your dealer doesn't like you or you have yet to learn the merit of defoliation.

Enjoyed the comments above and below that, I was expecting firey responses, but then I am more acquainted with IC forum.

 

[Eatrocks]

That sentence is why I gave up concentrates.

Lol SHOT

Dab is like a shot...

 

[KimDracula]

Lol SHOT

Dab is like a shot...

Ohhhhh, that makes a lot more sense.