OldOyler
Fire it again. I can still find the ground.
Could you shoot me the name of your current strain...?
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Quitting dabs
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OldOyler
Fire it again. I can still find the ground.
Did some thinking on this.
Already some great ideas thrown out. Wanted to mention that there *are* some folks just "like that".
They couldn't go to class in junior high without their particular brand of cough and cold medicine to "jazz" them. The folks who have created the need for the funniest of all DEA Schedules - Schedule V, which is "This stuff somehow got abused by three guys in the country who now swear they can't live without it. It's a blood thinner for goodness sake..." We have to consider three guys every time everyone else wants to use it.
Just saying, some people need the constant beating from the outside of SOME kind of chemical to feel "okay". Maybe concentrates were just the latest thing, and the same could happen with the person on anything that makes them feel different in any way.
Just my
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KimDracula
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Did some thinking on this.
Already some great ideas thrown out. Wanted to mention that there *are* some folks just "like that".
They couldn't go to class in junior high without their particular brand of cough and cold medicine to "jazz" them. The folks who have created the need for the funniest of all DEA Schedules - Schedule V, which is "This stuff somehow got abused by three guys in the country who now swear they can't live without it. It's a blood thinner for goodness sake..." We have to consider three guys every time everyone else wants to use it.
Just saying, some people need the constant beating from the outside of SOME kind of chemical to feel "okay". Maybe concentrates were just the latest thing, and the same could happen with the person on anything that makes them feel different in any way.
Just my
Peace!
This is an important distinction, I feel, especially when it comes to cannabis. People can become addicted to any kind of behavior or substance, but that doesn't necessarily mean the substance was addictive by nature. This isn't to say, of course, that many substances aren't truly physically addictive, but addictive behavior doesn't always have one of them as its root.
Deleted Member 1643
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Before switching to concentrates, used flower vape without water. Quartz nail broke, so back to flowers - but with water. Much better.
Like flavor and effects with concentrates, but go through harvest much more quickly. Concentrates are made from same flowers. Our favorite plant is endlessly fascinating.
Like flavor and effects with concentrates, but go through harvest much more quickly. Concentrates are made from same flowers. Our favorite plant is endlessly fascinating.
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
I believe I had a bout of cannabis hyperemesis after a month long run of 14grams concentrate with unknown creation techniques.
Still indeterminate as I have Crohn's and it could have just been my Crohn's. Went to Colorado and didn't get legit wax and am now kicking myself.
Want to get some new wax/shatter but use it sparingly. My new connection says no one asks for wax/shatter but they sell $60 boxes of chocolate that cost $18 in California. They also have co2 carts which I feel is even less potent then flowers for some reason.
Saccs
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herbivore21
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I am sure that you will find this to be demonstrably false.
Quoted for truth! Seriously; if people are dabbing grams a day and getting sick, that there is your problem. That is an ass-load of foreign material going into one's lungs!
I don't do huge dabs. .1-.15 is huge for me and a very rare occasion. I dab .05g at a time generally. For full melt, that would be the resin off a half gram of flower (but is not equivalent to vaping a half gram of flower, which of course has more actives since it has more sources of this content than full melt, which only tends to capture the capitate stalked trichome glands which account for most, but not all of the resin). .05g of rosin will generally be the resin taken from .25g of flower.
Most of what people freak out about with dabbing seems to be more of a conversation about dose IME. YMMV.
I find it easier to control small doses with a concentrate pen than flowers. But also easier to keep dosing and dosing because it's so easy and convenient and low key. Some people have dedicated vapor lounges, which is no doubt cool, but I live in an apartment and really like being able to stuff a pen, dab tool, and wax container in my nightstand. I get anxiety when someone comes by and I have the volcano out, filling chamber, bag, mouthpiece, grinder, herb jars, broken down flowers, stir stick, etc.
I also find exhaled concentrates often have a sweet aroma which is fairly unassuming and does not linger like an open jar of stinky potent bud.
I also find exhaled concentrates often have a sweet aroma which is fairly unassuming and does not linger like an open jar of stinky potent bud.
I have found that if you want other folks to expound their experiences it is best to start with your own. People of a like mind will give "likes" and those who disagree will go point by point why.
Me? I am a sipper not a slugger so passing on dabs is easy. It helps that I have unlimited time and meds.
I try to be a micro doser of flower. I don't have dabs available... But...
Wouldnt dabs be great for low dosing. Has weed culture just zoned out the idea of actually using dabs at realistic doses? (Of course 'realistic' doses depends on the person...)
One thing I've always hated about weed culture is the generalization dosage consumption. The same goes with alcohol...I guess it's just society.
It makes me think of when I was younger... I learned all the wrong ways to do drugs because society just abused everything like it was a social acceptance thing. Now I hate that I smoke weed everyday and consume more than one hit a day. Now that consumption is habitual.
Diggy Smalls
Notorious
I have never tried a dab. I'm sure I would love it.
lazylathe
Almost there...
Dabs mess up my tolerance big time!
I find i go through a gram really fast sometimes and then it gets expensive.
For me flowers are ideal and last me a very long time!
$50 of flower will last me a month
$50 of dabs will last me a day or three...
It's economics for me and i sometimes prefer a slower delivery.
I find i go through a gram really fast sometimes and then it gets expensive.
For me flowers are ideal and last me a very long time!
$50 of flower will last me a month
$50 of dabs will last me a day or three...
It's economics for me and i sometimes prefer a slower delivery.
If you're going through 80%+ THC in 3 days it definitely would mess with tolerance. Not sure what prices are like where you live but I'll say for example that's about an 1/8 of flower or a gram of concentrate from a medical center here. At say 80% THC in the oil vs 20 in the flower, it comes out to a pretty comparable amount of THC IMO so long as you adjust dosage size for concentration. I do find concentrate flavor more "addicting" and wanting to increase dosage for that terpy goodness though which makes me want to use more.
strictly vapor
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I quit dabbing for a few reasons.
Number 1: my tolerance goes through the roof quick.
Number 2: I turn into a fiend, craving dab after dab until I realize this can't continue.
Number 3: dabbing really bothers my lungs, not saying I've had the cleanest shatter ever but I'm talking well purged dispensary shatter.
Number 4: dabbing takes away my appreciation for vapor, and this is where I draw the line!!!!!
Disclaimer: I still enjoy using concentrates often, but I like to vape them in a bowl with some flower. This works well for me and my tolerance stays relatively stable.
Number 1: my tolerance goes through the roof quick.
Number 2: I turn into a fiend, craving dab after dab until I realize this can't continue.
Number 3: dabbing really bothers my lungs, not saying I've had the cleanest shatter ever but I'm talking well purged dispensary shatter.
Number 4: dabbing takes away my appreciation for vapor, and this is where I draw the line!!!!!
Disclaimer: I still enjoy using concentrates often, but I like to vape them in a bowl with some flower. This works well for me and my tolerance stays relatively stable.
herbivore21
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This is most definitely as I describe above, a problem with dosing. You seem to have a difficulty with restraining yourself from dabbing over and over. That is very obviously the cause of the high tolerance that you describe from concentrates. As you say, changing the way that you ingest the dab to slow down your dose (over a session rather than in one quick hit) solved the problem. This illustrates my point above very well.
Needless to say, the lung irritation is likely emerging from your constant and repeated approach to dabbing. Fill your lungs with lots and lots of vapor and you'll get congested in equal measure! It isn't likely to be about the quality of the meds that you have, just the quantity of the inhalation over time!
For me, dabbing non-consecutive hits and topping up as needed sees me dabbing once every few hours. It is quick and does not distract me from my work. I do not have time for 'sessions' most of the year. NYE/xmas vacation is the only opportunity I really get to enjoy sessions save for some social occasions.
I dab one of the most expensive forms of cannabis available (full melt) and a little rosin very rarely. It is cheaper for me to dab than use flower! I love vapor more, not less. I would have quit vaping if it weren't for dabs because of the sucking on a hair dryer effect that I get from flower vapes - which is murder on my throat!
It seems more and more from a lot of the above posts that people have a problem with the ease of which one can consume a lot very quickly with an enail. This is understandable, but is definitely not a problem with concentrates themselves. It is a matter of psychology. Some people, given the means to dose an unreasonably huge hit over and over again just can't help themselves. We all have buddies like that - but for those folks I suggest trying to vape your concentrates to slow down that consumption like @strictly vapor does
strictly vapor
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Totally agree, too much inhalation is gonna cause lung congestion inevitably. The problem for me is self control and vaping really keeps me in line. Also I agree that when time is limited dabs are extremely convenient and for some people the only practical option.
I really just think that everyone should do what works best for them!!
I really just think that everyone should do what works best for them!!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
strictly vapor
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That's all it takes for me! I've been reading a lot about synergystic effects of cannabinoids and interactions between non-cannabinoid cannabis plant material and THC. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/
It seems there is a more calming effect from the full plant spectrum, and although I know lots of people who prefer to dab only, I also know people who, like myself, find the high to be incomplete. When dabbing only, I always feel like I could use another one, and it creates a strong craving that is always there.
Ive always felt there was a relationship between the potency of a particular substance and it's resistance to tolerance, in the sense that the more potent a substance is the easier for a spike in tolerance.
For people like myself who must always be careful to avoid falling into the cycle of abuse, I feel it can be extremely helpful to exercise regularly, as it is often in absense of exercise that this cycle begins.
I find vaporization and oral ingestion to be my most sustainable routine, with different strains keeping things interesting. I still use concentrates, and always keep them around, but I stay regulated by limiting their use and mostly vaping them with flower.
It seems there is a more calming effect from the full plant spectrum, and although I know lots of people who prefer to dab only, I also know people who, like myself, find the high to be incomplete. When dabbing only, I always feel like I could use another one, and it creates a strong craving that is always there.
Ive always felt there was a relationship between the potency of a particular substance and it's resistance to tolerance, in the sense that the more potent a substance is the easier for a spike in tolerance.
For people like myself who must always be careful to avoid falling into the cycle of abuse, I feel it can be extremely helpful to exercise regularly, as it is often in absense of exercise that this cycle begins.
I find vaporization and oral ingestion to be my most sustainable routine, with different strains keeping things interesting. I still use concentrates, and always keep them around, but I stay regulated by limiting their use and mostly vaping them with flower.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Well said @strictly vapor ! Completely agree....there is something missing in concentrates (even rosin) that flowers can provide. It's like concentrates are more cerebral for me, which is awesome because that's the effect I tend to notice is missing from flower when my tolerance gets high. It turns into more of a body stone (even sativas) and not euphoric. But it must be respected.... so like you maintain them in a moderate rotation, but stick with vaping with flowers.
I used to believe that concentrates were more "addicting" but I just don't see it anymore. I know old school guys that are rolling joints every 15 minutes. You might be addicted to being high, but probably not to concentrates.
I just ran out and have been hitting flower again for a few days, it's a lot harsher and irritable to my throat. And the taste is only there for one hit until the terpenes vaporize and the rest of the stem is pretty boring; although I believe this is not flower vs concentrate related, and more so an aspect of session vs one hitter approach to vaporizing. Though flavor in general is superior in concentrates IMO. I have to say I've puffed some pretty fire herb in the cannabis hotbed of California, and no way flower can compare taste wise. That lingering, lip smacking full mouth full of terpenes you get from a nail just doesn't ever happen to me with flowers. Clue me in if I'm missing something!
I just ran out and have been hitting flower again for a few days, it's a lot harsher and irritable to my throat. And the taste is only there for one hit until the terpenes vaporize and the rest of the stem is pretty boring; although I believe this is not flower vs concentrate related, and more so an aspect of session vs one hitter approach to vaporizing. Though flavor in general is superior in concentrates IMO. I have to say I've puffed some pretty fire herb in the cannabis hotbed of California, and no way flower can compare taste wise. That lingering, lip smacking full mouth full of terpenes you get from a nail just doesn't ever happen to me with flowers. Clue me in if I'm missing something!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
I think you're missing something. I assume you are using the Volcano? That could be your problem right there. There are plenty of incredible vapes for taste/flavour out there.... my personal favourite is the Supreme. you don't even need to grind! I love the taste of a good low temp dab, but overall I think dabbing is gross. The smell from leftover residue burning/vaping nauseates my stomach. The harshness of dabs unless ultra low temp is waaaay worse for my lung comfort than vaping at moderate temps (even high temp with the Supreme).
I'm on day 2 of quitting dabs....night sweats are insane! Going to keep on the flowers until I finish withdrawing from the concentrates. Regardless of the dose, it's just too much thc to the dome for me.
This just proves that different things work for different people unless you are in denial.
And CHS is REAL. And it fucking sucks!
I'm on day 2 of quitting dabs....night sweats are insane! Going to keep on the flowers until I finish withdrawing from the concentrates. Regardless of the dose, it's just too much thc to the dome for me.
This just proves that different things work for different people unless you are in denial.
And CHS is REAL. And it fucking sucks!
@biohacker do you think that if you only vaporized the amount of resin in your dab to equal the amount of resin in your flower, actives being somewhat equal at that point, you would have reached the same conclusion? I find in most but not all cases, the amount of medicine in a dab is underestimated.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Yeah it's impossible for me to determine really, I mean I can weigh up the dab, but it still feels different than the more complete synergistic effect of the flowers, even using rosin. So I end up vaping flowers anyway. I just feel better with flowers in comparison, and don't suffer negative side effects. It's not like I went on a bender or anything either, far from.
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
I absolutely love both and don't like beinf without either. They compliment each other.
Maybe if I had some of thta high $ full spectrum or some 6star full melt. I wouldn't miss the flower as much but doubtful.
I don't think ill ever quit either.
The more the merrier. Imo
Maybe if I had some of thta high $ full spectrum or some 6star full melt. I wouldn't miss the flower as much but doubtful.
I don't think ill ever quit either.
The more the merrier. Imo
I get it. The reason why I ask, I've had some mis-doses, and you know how tolerance works. It's pretty fast acting as it seems to cause the next dab to have to live up to the previous dab, etc. Just an example of what I've dealt with - I have some budder that is runny as hell, doesn't look like much compared to a more firm budder that's similar consistancy to spackling paste. The dabs on the fork are quite larger on the paste dab but not nearly as strong as the runny dab.
Glad you are feeling better with flowers
I was using the Arizer Air when I wrote that, my Volcano is in the box in my closet. I've only been using the Vapcap since I posted that though. It takes my flowers the furthest using it through water and it's a game changer. Been running some sift through it and it's the closest to tasteing like a dab I've found so far. Awesome sweet, pure flavors. I don't find dabs harsh as I am inhaling much less vapor than when hitting flower since the material is concentrated.
Were you hitting off a torched nail or an enail? It sounds like the nail was super hot if it's harsh. A little dab through a recycler is cool and smooth for me, it's only harsh if the banger is too hot or I dab way more than I need.