Pure convection - To grind or not to grind ?

[howie105]

I try for consistency from load to load so grinding makes it easier for me to manage that goal. That said, there are lots of different way to get the vapour out of the MJ so good job on your search.

 

[pressure]

Recently I have been experimenting putting whole bud directly inside the bowl without any form of grinding. Just a light pack to allow heat to penetrate evenly.

I got that idea seeing extractions techniques for BHO. Grinding ruins the taste with more plant matter exposed, more chlorophyll and other stuff you don't want leak in the product. Whole bud is better.

When we vape we change the carrier for heat to extract actives and aromas, why not apply the same principles ?

The bud I currently use is not the most dense of all and is very dry so that's a good fit. That's specific conditions. With a conduction vape or rock dense nugs I don't think you can have a good experience that way.

First report : much better taste than the previous ground bowls, big clouds, no popcorn at all.

the directions for my mighty say GRIND my bud. They even gave me a grinder.

the germans who made my mighty make the worlds best vaporizers.

I doubt they would print to grind your bud in the directions and give you a grinder if it wasnt important part of the process

 

[Farid]

the directions for my mighty say GRIND my bud. They even gave me a grinder.

the germans who made my mighty make the worlds best vaporizers.

I doubt they would print to grind your bud in the directions and give you a grinder if it wasnt important part of the process

The mighty is not pure convection.

I don't grind/stir my bud until the last few hits when I'm using my UD. I make sure I don't pack too much, so that I don't leave the inside of the nug unvaped. I take my first hit, then turn the nug around and vape it from the other side. After that I can stir it and maybe get one hit.

 

[vorrange]

the directions for my mighty say GRIND my bud. They even gave me a grinder.

the germans who made my mighty make the worlds best vaporizers.

I doubt they would print to grind your bud in the directions and give you a grinder if it wasnt important part of the process

They make the worlds most expensive vaporizers, not the best... IMO.

Grinding your nug is standard vaporizer procedure, but it still ruins the trichomes present in the bud... It is difficult for me to understand where does your confusion lie.

 

[Hashtag46&2]

the directions for my mighty say GRIND my bud. They even gave me a grinder.

the germans who made my mighty make the worlds best vaporizers.

I doubt they would print to grind your bud in the directions and give you a grinder if it wasnt important part of the process

Have you tried NOT grinding? Grinding destroys the Glandular Heads (literally)

Shred with tweezers just once , or even use small chunks...Vape it out of your Mighty.
This method works best with extremely Trichome packed flowers (AAA Grade)

Most of manufacturers directions will instruct to grind to expose more surface area. This will usually increase vapor production, regardless of Flower quality.

Good Flowers + Good Vaporizer = Grinding optional (IMO)

Report back please , I bet you love it.

About 3-4 years ago, a gentleman by the name of Frenchy Canolli told me..
(French Accent)
Never grind your buds.

I listened, and never looked back.

 

[I'm Ron Burgundy?]

Have you tried NOT grinding? Grinding destroys the Glandular Heads (literally)

Shred with tweezers just once , or even use small chunks...Vape it out of your Mighty.
This method works best with extremely Trichome packed flowers (AAA Grade)

Most of manufacturers directions will instruct to grind to expose more surface area. This will usually increase vapor production, regardless of Flower quality.

Good Flowers + Good Vaporizer = Grinding optional (IMO)

Report back please , I bet you love it.

About 3-4 years ago, a gentleman by the name of Frenchy Canolli told me..
(French Accent)
Never grind your buds.

I listened, and never looked back.

+1

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Shred with tweezers

and the nice thing about this, is the inevitable buildup of resin can be scrapped off the ends of the tweezers with a razor blade knife (i keep one in my BT vape case) - much easier than cleaning grinder teeth.

 

[pressure]

Have you tried NOT grinding? Grinding destroys the Glandular Heads (literally)

Shred with tweezers just once , or even use small chunks...Vape it out of your Mighty.
This method works best with extremely Trichome packed flowers (AAA Grade)

Most of manufacturers directions will instruct to grind to expose more surface area. This will usually increase vapor production, regardless of Flower quality.

Good Flowers + Good Vaporizer = Grinding optional (IMO)

Report back please , I bet you love it.

About 3-4 years ago, a gentleman by the name of Frenchy Canolli told me..
(French Accent)
Never grind your buds.

I listened, and never looked back.

what about a grinder the collects the keef? you wont be losing much

 

[vorrange]

The kief you collect is only part of what is lost when you grind. What do you think you clean when you clean your grinder? Trichomes that give you the pure taste and smell of the strain you're vaporizing. Trichomes you butcher when you grind.

 

[Hashtag46&2]

what about a grinder the collects the keef? you wont be losing much

The grinder itself my friend...

When you subject a flower like so.....
(Organic Sour Amnesia)




To sharp teeth of a grinder, many of the Resin Glands will rupture against the walls and teeth of your grinder, this is nearly impossible to recover without the use of a Solvent.

I also prefer my kief to stay with the flowers in my Vaporizer.. As opposed to exposing them to oxidation in the kief chamber.

Again, this is subjective to the user. (Try one bowl in chunks, then you yourself can attest for which way you prefer)

If you prefer ground material, then that's what is important.


But.. I personally stay away from the grinder.

 

[HomeFree]

It really depends on the grade of the herb as well as the calyx size and density for the majority of my material. Super dense cannabis with really small calyxes I generally grind. I might have to get one of those fancy pairs of scissors. Many strains I just pop right in there though with a very light breakdown by hand first.

There is another thing with grind and vaping, and that is your packing density. That makes a big difference from my experience. Seems to intensify or blunt the taste, vapes long or not too long, more vapor, less vapor.

Try different style grinds/ungrinds and experiment to see what works best for you in your personal vaporizer and tastes. Sometimes I will go into periods when I will grind my cannabis for a steady week or two, and then go back to whole or lightly broken up, or carefully broken apart calyx by calyx.

I love cannabis. One of the greatest gifts the planet has given us for our health and well being. Life would not be the same without it. It is amazing the gifts nature bestows upon us.

 

[kellya86]

This thread is really intriguing me, I love my cannabis so much, I spend weeks nurturing, and caring for my precious plants, then I spent 90 days minimum, on a proper cure, checking daily....

All this hard work and love, then I chuck my frosty nugs into an acrylic grinder and mash up the beauty...

This now seems destructive to me...

I'm trying the tweezer thing tonight...

Will the arizer eq + ddave + d020-d, be able to extract from unground flower?

I don't think it's pure convection, but using a basket load, it can't be far off???

 

[vorrange]

That is enough to experiment what we're saying.

Just pop it in, put a somewhat high temperature and indulge. the first hits will feel really tasty!

 

[Hashtag46&2]

This thread is really intriguing me, I love my cannabis so much, I spend weeks nurturing, and caring for my precious plants, then I spent 90 days minimum, on a proper cure, checking daily....

All this hard work and love, then I chuck my frosty nugs into an acrylic grinder and mash up the beauty...

This now seems destructive to me...

I'm trying the tweezer thing tonight...

Will the arizer eq + ddave + d020-d, be able to extract from unground flower?

I don't think it's pure convection, but using a basket load, it can't be far off???

Yes sir... I've never used an EQ, but I believe it may be the same exact basket, did you get a 18mm wand also? If so...

Yes, a coarse shredding of your load should provide robust flavor and full extraction.

I know that improving the efficiency of extraction was @DDave 's intention with both kits.

I sometimes use bigger chunks, even whole unbroken nugs in the basket...
1-3 rips and that bud is thoroughly spent.... Crushes into dust, no stirring required.

 

[kellya86]

I have multiple @DDave parts...
I have the 18 and the 14, I wonder if the narrow airpath the 14 brings would aid this????
I'm considering using the ssv wand though, as I can then trap the corse nugs in the wand, then maybe just shake at the end to break up???

Anyway iv got some special farming to do before I can relax, and start experimenting for the night...

 

[biohacker]

@Hashtag46&2 Your pics make me drool! Ever since acquiring the Supreme v3 I have completely stopped grinding! Tried doing the same thing with my Mighty, and both my wife and I are raving about how much SMOOTHER the vapour feels, and the taste is incredible!

I think there really is something about not grinding....sure the clouds may not be as massive, but it just feels like a better purer experience, if the vape can utilize unground material.

Now I just need to find a "connoisseur" way of doing this..... I tried tweezers and meh, wasn't that great. I'm thinking small need nose pliars?

I LOVE this way of using cannabis! I just love the ritual of picking and plucking, instead of grinding, crushing and destroying.

Add to that, I was planning on purchasing a very expensive Kannastor GR8TR grinder, so money in my pocket, and no wrist tendonitis from twisting so much. Win Win!

 

[Hashtag46&2]

@Hashtag46&2 Your pics make me drool! Ever since acquiring the Supreme v3 I have completely stopped grinding! Tried doing the same thing with my Mighty, and both my wife and I are raving about how much SMOOTHER the vapour feels, and the taste is incredible!

I think there really is something about not grinding....sure the clouds may not be as massive, but it just feels like a better purer experience, if the vape can utilize unground material.

Now I just need to find a "connoisseur" way of doing this..... I tried tweezers and meh, wasn't that great. I'm thinking small need nose pliars?

I LOVE this way of using cannabis! I just love the ritual of picking and plucking, instead of grinding, crushing and destroying.

Add to that, I was planning on purchasing a very expensive Kannastor GR8TR grinder, so money in my pocket, and no wrist tendonitis from twisting so much. Win Win!

Thanks my friend!

I'm elated to hear you're happy with the "No Grinder " mentality.

Even better that you were able to save the money!

I do actually use a small hemostat to hold the nug, and pluck away with needle-nose tweezers.. maybe grab two small hemostats.

Or... The glass Shotglass method, place nug in glass, Amazon has these 5-bladed Scissors that @herbivore21 posted a link to.

But I'm with you, something very "soulful" about the plucking process, I truly love the ritual of plucking each Calyx , in the correct lighting you get to see all the inner structure of the glands too..

Great way to bond with your flowers for each session, I know that sounds weird...

But it ain't, haha.
Always a pleasure @biohacker ... Peace brother.

 

[vorrange]

Biohacker!, welcome to the no-grind club! The experience is different because the trichomes are all intact, and the first hit is mostly trichomes. Hence the pure floral and fruity taste.

I always have a Victorinox Pocket knife, it contains scissors, a pick that i use to claim reclaim and stir and break nuggs, and the pliers are good to hold the screen while i torch that motherfucker until free flow hits again.

 

[MinnBobber]

Now I just need to find a "connoisseur" way of doing this..... I tried tweezers and meh, wasn't that great. I'm thinking small need nose pliars?

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I don't grind 90% of the time--pick off the individual calyxes with tweezers. The really good stuff sometimes sticks to the tweezers.
I now have a "ceramic tipped tweezer" on order to try. I'll see how that works.

I'm still looking for some kind of medical grade tweezer or a nice ergo handled scissor with a tiny microtip to cut with precision.

 

[howie105]

Its simple, the best preparation is whatever makes the individual happiest.

 

[Hashtag46&2]

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I don't grind 90% of the time--pick off the individual calyxes with tweezers. The really good stuff sometimes sticks to the tweezers.
I now have a "ceramic tipped tweezer" on order to try. I'll see how that works.

I'm still looking for some kind of medical grade tweezer or a nice ergo handled scissor with a tiny microtip to cut with precision.

This is a great post.. I'd like the same combo.

I still get a bit of resin stuck to the tiny surface area of the needle nose tweezers after breaking up a couple sessions.

But it is easily scraped off with a fingernail.

If it accumulates so quickly with the very small, gentle action of tweezers , imagine what is occurring inside of a grinder.

And damn, a good grinder is so expensive, I'd much prefer putting that money into the VAS fund.

 

[friedrich]

What do you connoisseurs think about these little scissors?

Or is it better to pluck with tweezers than to cut?

 

[VapourHaze]

Depends on the vape for me. If using my ssv i just pop a nug in and stir as i go. If using the vapman then i use a fairly fine grind.

I always used to use scissors before, then i bought a scs grinder 6 months ago. Grinders defo lose flavour but at the expense convenience.

 

[Hashtag46&2]

What do you connoisseurs think about these little scissors?

Or is it better to pluck with tweezers than to cut?

I personally prefer the Pluck... As some rupturing is inevitable with the scissor action. However, much less forgiving than the grinder.

But, like I mentioned earlier, it's all about the consumer's preference.

Dissecting the Flowers I grew with a very gentle touch is so fascinating to me, essentially studying the inner structure of an Organic material I grew from a seed, to a leafy plant, to big gorgeous Colas.

Opening them up in this manner is a rewarding experience, visual feedback widening my perspective of what is occurring during the Flowering Stage.

This also contributes to my obsession with Mechanical Separation of the Glandular head for a Full Plant Ice Water Extraction...

 

[VapeKnight]

this is a great thread. I've been grinding for years simply because I was primarily using a bat and dugout ( pre FC ) which wouldn't work with nugs. Then I got my first desktop unit, an herbalaire which actually recommends whole nugs. The taste was noticeably better but I'm not sure the effects were stronger. these days I alternate between several vapes. the herbalaire and Aromed can handle nugs, but the Vapman, Pax, and grasshopper need ground herb. I hate the idea of ruining my plant with a grinder now that I have this knowledge but I don't know how to avoid it. If I use scissors to finely cut my herb right before using it will this be the least destructive?