Is the Pivot dish larger or smaller than the Proxy dish?
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florduh
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Smaller. I go back and forth. But right now, I'm using the Proxy more
. I like using a higher temp for a quicker session (inhaling less radiant heat). The Proxy makes that easier due to the longer vapor path.
Smaller. I go back and forth. But right now, I'm using the Proxy more
Thanks! I also found this comparison photo on reddit -
3DXL
Proxy
Pivot
I guess I was hoping the dish was the same size as the proxy cause I liked the proxy a lot.
Not sure I could really get along with a smaller dish though
Flotsam
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Curious if we have dimensions for each of these? The photo may be deceiving but it only seems pivot is slightly smaller diameter.Thanks! I also found this comparison photo on reddit -
3DXL
Proxy
Pivot
I guess I was hoping the dish was the same size as the proxy cause I liked the proxy a lot.
Not sure I could really get along with a smaller dish though
Pivot does well with small dabs. Large dabs leads to more splatter in the mp and possibly oil leaking to the battery. If your dabs are bigger than a rice grain (maybe?) than you might be turned off by all the oil you gotta swab.Not sure I could really get along with a smaller dish though
Flotsam
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My personal experience has been that since i added the terp pearls my Pivot has been significantly easier to clean. After the terp pearls have cooled (very important as my terp pearls are quartz and will fracture if subjected to thermal stress ) i dump them into a small cup with iso. A significant amount of oil coats the terp pearls which washes off readily with the iso. A q- tip handles the remainder fairly easily. and a few drops of ISO to clean the chamber when i go to recharge the battery. Burn off ISO, readd terp Pearls and i am ready to go. (my updated cleaning process)
Your point about large dabs is very true and probably the cause of the chazzing i experienced with my first chamber, but Puffco did replace that one under warranty. Terp pearls may be helpful for large dabs but i have been reluctant to press my luck on this.
Not sure how oil would get into battery since it is in the bucket (chamber) , but i guess it could. Even if i got too exuberant with the size of the concentrate i add i have never really seen it go up very high in the chamber.
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JamesTiberiousKirk
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May I ask what size and number of terp pearls? Thanks!
Flotsam
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Sure. i ended up going with Purple 4 mm quartz spheres . They spin like crazy when i am really drawing on the Pivot and you can really hear it too. I have more of these but i think its a bit crowded in the chamber with more than 2 and don't really think it is necessary. Subjectively I don't know if it helps the hit in terms of intensity, but it does keep the chamber a lot cleaner and I think i can say that definitively.
Took this pic in November before a deep clean.
The insides of the silicone (that wraps around the oven) was also sticky. Not sure how the oil got there, but my best guess is too large a dab, and/or too strong of an inhale. I’ve been checking occasionally, and since limiting my dabs to rice grain size, and slowing down my inhale, I haven’t noticed any oil on the bottom.
Flotsam
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there is the definitive proof. I know i will be careful as well as to not put too much of a dab in there.Took this pic in November before a deep clean.
The insides of the silicone (that wraps around the oven) was also sticky. Not sure how the oil got there, but my best guess is too large a dab, and/or too strong of an inhale. I’ve been checking occasionally, and since limiting my dabs to rice grain size, and slowing down my inhale, I haven’t noticed any oil on the bottom.
FYI - Orientation
One other point for those that have never removed the silicone cover over the chamber. Take special note of where those bottom elements of the chamber line up with that silicone top. It is possible to install it wrong and the Pivot will not work. You will get flashing white lights then. I wish they had designed the chamber with a design with a positive stop so it could only be installed the correct way.
Flotsam
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To change gears has anyone seen this from remcollins.com ? It is based on a Pivot. There are a bunch of 3 D printed pieces and I believe .STL files are available as well. One design also makes use of a Tug 2.0 for its glass as well. I won't say too much,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but this is out of the box thinking.
This was a little too interesting to me so I ordered it since they show in stock right now. We'll see how it is in a couple weeks! I haven't put pearls in yet but I think that'll be necessary in that!
I also picked up the XL case because it looks nice and I'm tired of dropping the aluminum one from puffco and spilling shit everywhere. It's nice but can be so slippy.
Flotsam
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OK got some new Pivot stuff to share.
The first one is from Planet Caravan and is a bubbler. the linkage is up above
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This was on Reddit (UPDATED) Highartisan.. As i said this is Reddit info is hit or miss
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This 3rd one i really like, but once again Reddit and i do not have a link. What i like about this is it seems like some of these bubblers add so much extra height which i don't care for. I like the short stature of the Pivot. This one is sort of a sidecar kind of setup and there is a provision to strap on the pivot which i really like too.
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The first one is from Planet Caravan and is a bubbler. the linkage is up above
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This was on Reddit (UPDATED) Highartisan.. As i said this is Reddit info is hit or miss
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This 3rd one i really like, but once again Reddit and i do not have a link. What i like about this is it seems like some of these bubblers add so much extra height which i don't care for. I like the short stature of the Pivot. This one is sort of a sidecar kind of setup and there is a provision to strap on the pivot which i really like too.
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JamesTiberiousKirk
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The first one looks reasonable and potentially practical. But some of these seem more for fun and show. I don't trust myself with glass. It quickly becomes broken glass.
I received my Pivot from @VGOODIEZ a couple of weeks ago, and I am loving it! My background with concentrates goes back 6 - 7 years, but early on I tried Kandy Pens and such to much disappointment. I am flame averse, and even most E-rigs do not fit my environment. So I settled on Terp Pens, and found them a reasonable solution.
Until now.
I am saddened by the knowledge of all the oil I wasted and misused up to now. I tried a Puffco Plus and found that not useful to me, but the Pivot is a different beast. Took a bit to get used to missing the "bite at the back of the throat" that the Terp Pen gave me, but this just gets me much higher with less waste.
I received my Pivot from @VGOODIEZ a couple of weeks ago, and I am loving it! My background with concentrates goes back 6 - 7 years, but early on I tried Kandy Pens and such to much disappointment. I am flame averse, and even most E-rigs do not fit my environment. So I settled on Terp Pens, and found them a reasonable solution.
Until now.
I am saddened by the knowledge of all the oil I wasted and misused up to now. I tried a Puffco Plus and found that not useful to me, but the Pivot is a different beast. Took a bit to get used to missing the "bite at the back of the throat" that the Terp Pen gave me, but this just gets me much higher with less waste.
OK got some new Pivot stuff to share.
The first one is from Planet Caravan and is a bubbler. the linkage is up above
Pivot-bubbler-4-185402 hosted at ImgBB
Image Pivot-bubbler-4-185402 in Flotsam2025's images album
This was on Reddit but i don't recall seeing a vendor listed. As i said this is Reddit info is hit or miss
screengrab-20250118-203246 hosted at ImgBB
Image screengrab-20250118-203246 in Flotsam2025's images album
This 3rd one i really like, but once again Reddit and i do not have a link. What i like about this is it seems like some of these bubblers add so much extra height which i don't care for. I like the short stature of the Pivot. This one is sort of a sidecar kind of setup and there is a provision to strap on the pivot which i really like too.
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Image screengrab-20250118-203120 in Flotsam2025's images album
This one is from Highartisan.screengrab-20250118-203246 hosted at ImgBB
Image screengrab-20250118-203246 in Flotsam2025's images album
Found another shop on Etsy selling glass pivot tips. Definitely more affordable than others I’ve seen. Can’t comment of function……. yet.
Flotsam
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yeah i tend to agree with you on your assessments of these add ons. Only a few i would actually wanna try.
But my experience is much more recent than yours. I used to smoke back in college days almost daily. I guess we knew vaguely you could vape but it was rather expensive. I guess my break was something like 35 years. Maryland went legal cannabis July 2022 and it immediately came back to me how much i liked weed but even then we couldn't get adult use concentrates maybe until 3 or 4 months ago . A terp pen was my first piece but i hated putting concentrate on an open coil.
Flotsam
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For someone getting a new Tip or add on like a WPA DO NOT cut the strap with the mouthpiece.
The strap is held in with glue but can be removed with a tug. It can even be put back without the glue. Here is a video demonstrating that :
The strap is held in with glue but can be removed with a tug. It can even be put back without the glue. Here is a video demonstrating that :
The setup from Rem Collins showed up today after getting held up from the winter storm! Much earlier than expected even with the delay and I look forward to trying it out either tonight or tomorrow after I clean it up. Not having seen the tug 2.0 in person before it was surprising how small the setup actually is, it's so cute! Very excit
The storage case showed up as well and so far I like it. The magnets are shit but I think does the job to help keep it all together. I 100% prefer the top piece that conceals but none of them are smell proof and you will smell it if you are close enough (within a foot or two).
The main points so far are the universal version of the case does not support something like the Releafy Trinity which is what I currently use as my hot knife (it's too tall for the slot by 1-2") but the dab tool that came with the puffco travel case is a great fit and really what I prefer these days unless I have a sticky/liquidy concentrate I'm working with.
Overall I'm happy with it and it will do the job, but it is not as easy to use as I had hoped where qtips don't sit in the bottom compartment to where they naturally fit into the opening on the top piece and it's nearly impossible to line it all up. I found so far that putting everything into the top piece and flipping it upside down to put the bottom piece over the top works very well, but it seems I'll have to repeat that every time I close it... Not a deal breaker but an annoyance, nonetheless. It seems like the bottom well should have been deeper vs the top to avoid this.
The pivot fit VERY snuggly into the storage slot for it. So snuggly that it scratched the chrome ring at the bottom but after sliding it in and out a couple times it seemed to go better (it didn't scratch the finish, just the chrome at the bottom edge). It's a snug fit and that is good as long as there's no more cosmetic damage.
I liked how accessible the charge port for the pivot is on the bottom as well. Well designed for the most part. I am trying to decide if I want to take a Dremel to it with a polishing wheel to get the 3d print texture off but I'm unsure if that will make the case itself more slippery and prone to drops... Anyone with experience on this?
I'll try to get some pics to share but I'm not very good at following through on that, admittedly... Time will tell!
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I tried to type this multiple times and it kept getting cleared out for some reason so this will be short
It's good so far
Definitely hits harder
Used too much water the first time and then too much oil the second time, but very impressed... Need to spend more time with it!
Pics of the chamber and mouthpiece are from when I removed it for the first time in 2 months. Everywhere that was not visible while it was all together is coated in oil. Literally only the parts I can see when the oven is in the mouthpiece are clean.
Make sure you disassemble and fully clean them fairly regulary even if what you can see looks spotless!
The storage case showed up as well and so far I like it. The magnets are shit but I think does the job to help keep it all together. I 100% prefer the top piece that conceals but none of them are smell proof and you will smell it if you are close enough (within a foot or two).
The main points so far are the universal version of the case does not support something like the Releafy Trinity which is what I currently use as my hot knife (it's too tall for the slot by 1-2") but the dab tool that came with the puffco travel case is a great fit and really what I prefer these days unless I have a sticky/liquidy concentrate I'm working with.
Overall I'm happy with it and it will do the job, but it is not as easy to use as I had hoped where qtips don't sit in the bottom compartment to where they naturally fit into the opening on the top piece and it's nearly impossible to line it all up. I found so far that putting everything into the top piece and flipping it upside down to put the bottom piece over the top works very well, but it seems I'll have to repeat that every time I close it... Not a deal breaker but an annoyance, nonetheless. It seems like the bottom well should have been deeper vs the top to avoid this.
The pivot fit VERY snuggly into the storage slot for it. So snuggly that it scratched the chrome ring at the bottom but after sliding it in and out a couple times it seemed to go better (it didn't scratch the finish, just the chrome at the bottom edge). It's a snug fit and that is good as long as there's no more cosmetic damage.
I liked how accessible the charge port for the pivot is on the bottom as well. Well designed for the most part. I am trying to decide if I want to take a Dremel to it with a polishing wheel to get the 3d print texture off but I'm unsure if that will make the case itself more slippery and prone to drops... Anyone with experience on this?
I'll try to get some pics to share but I'm not very good at following through on that, admittedly... Time will tell!
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I tried to type this multiple times and it kept getting cleared out for some reason so this will be short
It's good so far
Definitely hits harder
Used too much water the first time and then too much oil the second time, but very impressed... Need to spend more time with it!
Pics of the chamber and mouthpiece are from when I removed it for the first time in 2 months. Everywhere that was not visible while it was all together is coated in oil. Literally only the parts I can see when the oven is in the mouthpiece are clean.
Make sure you disassemble and fully clean them fairly regulary even if what you can see looks spotless!
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I have had a chance to play with that kit some more and have decided there's no good way to use it (at least with this cap) with water and much prefer running it dry. With only just enough water to cover the perc I still couldn't control the draw well enough to keep from having oil splash out and make a mess. Running it dry is a totally different story but it's still dangerous to do much more than 2 grains worth for me.
Using a little rig setup like this is new to me and I've never used these caps or spinner caps or anything before. Would any different cap possibly help control the spillage so I could give water a go again?
Also... I'm curious if there's a glass rig out there that could handle using both my pivots simultaneously. It feels like that is a next level feature that is just out of reach for this setup, though the base holds them in a configuration I think would work with a dual donut adapter even if whatever glass base wouldn't fit.
Using a little rig setup like this is new to me and I've never used these caps or spinner caps or anything before. Would any different cap possibly help control the spillage so I could give water a go again?
Also... I'm curious if there's a glass rig out there that could handle using both my pivots simultaneously. It feels like that is a next level feature that is just out of reach for this setup, though the base holds them in a configuration I think would work with a dual donut adapter even if whatever glass base wouldn't fit.
From the pics on the website, it looks like air is forced straight down into the bowl, possibly causing more spillage. A joystick type cap might be helpful.
I think remcollins also saw the drawbacks of the design, so he makes a joystick type cap now.
Might be worthwhile to email remcollins to see if he can send you the newer cap.
It is not a refined product. There was no post-processing really on the 3d printed parts but that doesn't bother me.
It works really well the more familiar I've gotten with it and the effects are noticeably stronger than just using the pivot and cap.
For what it is I'd give it a 7/10 but I have gotten more fucked up from this yesterday than my Huni Badger which is nice for the weekends!
It is smoother and cooler on red and white by a large margin and just getting to watch the Tug turn into a cloud is fun. It's relatively easy to clean still and as long as you wipe the bowl clockwise if you don't have the silicone sleeve on it then it works great. Cleaning counterclockwise can unscrew the oven but in my experience that was not simple and took some effort when I tested.
I like it and I'm happy with what I got for the price, but tbh this has only triggered more VAS for this