Pen Puffco Pivot
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80Sixed
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Still my favorite travel device, although if those kung fu “disposable”(I’ve refilled a few times now) vapes get slightly better, they might be my preferred mobile rosin consumption.The Pivot is cheaper than every comparable competitor
BabyFacedFinster
Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
Yeah, well it happens in the hobby. Sometimes pieces get shelved, only to reappear when the time is right. That would probably be a new top that meets my needs or like others said, when I need something on the road. Not many other choices. Puffco certainly isn't LLBean and doesn't accept returns for used items that you're just not satisfied with. But even so, it hits enough good points that I would prob keep it for a future niche. I do love the form factor.
If I were to offer any feedback to Roger for future improvement, it would be to add on-demand to the button so you only activate it as long as your pressing. I guess it's a big deal for my style of vaping with an erig. I like being able to easily cool down the bowl between hits. I thought the granny cycle would fix it for me, but I guess I'm more Granny than most other vapers.
@scoobindedoob, no worries on the repost. That rule only applies when you're within the short time period when edits are possible. Not sure what that time length is, but usually within a day. After that, you're free to post again in succession. This is the way I've seen it explained here before.
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Roger? When you know a corporate behemoths (maybe) developer I guess I am out of your league.Yeah, well it happens in the hobby. Sometimes pieces get shelved, only to reappear when the time is right. That would probably be a new top that meets my needs or like others said, when I need something on the road. Not many other choices. Puffco certainly isn't LLBean and doesn't accept returns for used items that you're just not satisfied with. But even so, it hits enough good points that I would prob keep it for a future niche. I do love the form factor.
If I were to offer any feedback to Roger for future improvement, it would be to add on-demand to the button so you only activate it as long as your pressing. I guess it's a big deal for my style of vaping with an erig. I like being able to easily cool down the bowl between hits. I thought the granny cycle would fix it for me, but I guess I'm more Granny than most other vapers.
@scoobindedoob, no worries on the repost. That rule only applies when you're within the short time period when edits are possible. Not sure what that time length is, but usually within a day. After that, you're free to post again in succession. This is the way I've seen it explained here before.
And as for "shelving" happening in the hobby. Sure it happens, but with a new to the market premium priced product? Like I said, not a ringing endorsement. I will be moving on as a certain someone apparently doesn't like people posting here. Too bad as I like to research products and people who have them are a good source. Guess I will cross the Pivot off any future lists.
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biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
I agree with this 100%.
FWIW I sold mine lol. The Genie from 3grams is next on my VAS list.
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Dressedspring1
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It’s actually kind of surprising they don’t have that considering they seem to have deliberately targetted the 510 market with their advertising and that’s how most people are using carts.
terpguy420
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If you're consuming live rosin or resin carts, an argument can be made that this is a cart killer.
For those who consume distillate, not so much.
I have to use distillate at home. The wife cannot stand the smell of weed.
My comparisons have been done outside a Brooklyn bar.
I have compared some of the same strains of rosin and resin carts to the using rosin and resin in the Pivot, and the Pivot is far more satisfying.
Will not beat a torch and banger, nor my Pockety.
I'm no longer allowed to use a torch and banger outside the bar.
I can use the Pockety, but the Pivot is easier to use.
Just got a OTP Clear Neuarlizer from Zee. Can't wait to try it in 2 weeks.
For those who consume distillate, not so much.
I have to use distillate at home. The wife cannot stand the smell of weed.
My comparisons have been done outside a Brooklyn bar.
I have compared some of the same strains of rosin and resin carts to the using rosin and resin in the Pivot, and the Pivot is far more satisfying.
Will not beat a torch and banger, nor my Pockety.
I'm no longer allowed to use a torch and banger outside the bar.
I can use the Pockety, but the Pivot is easier to use.
Just got a OTP Clear Neuarlizer from Zee. Can't wait to try it in 2 weeks.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
I thought my buddy would be grabbing one of these at some point, but he seems to imply his pivot died soon after he started trying to use it? Some sort of malfunction problem, I doubt he tried to have it serviced or anything, out of country etc. Oh well
Been testing this Flame pivot tip from Meademade.
Had it for a month now, alternating between this and stock. TLDR: I’m really liking the glass tip over stock.
Flavor- Glass obviously better, more noticeable when using glass for awhile then trying to switch back to stock.
Airflow- Meademade nailed it. Not all tips created equal, but the Flame tip spins the pearl effortlessly, just like stock does.
Cooling- Surprisingly, flame tip cooled the vapor more than stock. With stock, I use temp green. With flame tip, I use red (same temp I use with wpa/j hook).
This glass rod is to prevent the pearl from getting sucked up your mouth, but it also adds to cooling since it forces the vapor to the sides. So the top of the mp (where your lips are) doesn’t get hot, unlike stock.
Maintenance- Stock easily wins. Although the dry cotton swab is easier on the flame tip (since you only need to swab the bottom), the stock doesn’t need as deep a cleaning as the flame tip does, and easier to swab the inside of stock.
One mistake I made when cutting silicone mp for the glass tip (not necessary, but I have three)…
I cut the silicone, not realizing how much I stretched it. Still holds the mp well, I just feel it would be more secure if it was longer.
Would definitely buy again if broken. But probably replace it with the OTP neuralizer. Heard good things about that one.
Had it for a month now, alternating between this and stock. TLDR: I’m really liking the glass tip over stock.
Flavor- Glass obviously better, more noticeable when using glass for awhile then trying to switch back to stock.
Airflow- Meademade nailed it. Not all tips created equal, but the Flame tip spins the pearl effortlessly, just like stock does.
Cooling- Surprisingly, flame tip cooled the vapor more than stock. With stock, I use temp green. With flame tip, I use red (same temp I use with wpa/j hook).
This glass rod is to prevent the pearl from getting sucked up your mouth, but it also adds to cooling since it forces the vapor to the sides. So the top of the mp (where your lips are) doesn’t get hot, unlike stock.
Maintenance- Stock easily wins. Although the dry cotton swab is easier on the flame tip (since you only need to swab the bottom), the stock doesn’t need as deep a cleaning as the flame tip does, and easier to swab the inside of stock.
One mistake I made when cutting silicone mp for the glass tip (not necessary, but I have three)…
I cut the silicone, not realizing how much I stretched it. Still holds the mp well, I just feel it would be more secure if it was longer.
Would definitely buy again if broken. But probably replace it with the OTP neuralizer. Heard good things about that one.
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
That's probably one of the first Pivot mouthpieces i would like to try.Been testing this Flame pivot tip from Meademade.
Had it for a month now, alternating between this and stock. TLDR: I’m really liking the glass tip over stock.
Flavor- Glass obviously better, more noticeable when using glass for awhile then trying to switch back to stock.
Airflow- Meademade nailed it. Not all tips created equal, but the Flame tip spins the pearl effortlessly, just like stock does.
Cooling- Surprisingly, flame tip cooled the vapor more than stock. With stock, I use temp green. With flame tip, I use red (same temp I use with wpa/j hook).
This glass rod is to prevent the pearl from getting sucked up your mouth, but it also adds to cooling since it forces the vapor to the sides. So the top of the mp (where your lips are) doesn’t get hot, unlike stock.
Maintenance- Stock easily wins. Although the dry cotton swab is easier on the flame tip (since you only need to swab the bottom), the stock doesn’t need as deep a cleaning as the flame tip does, and easier to swab the inside of stock.
One mistake I made when cutting silicone mp for the glass tip (not necessary, but I have three)…
I cut the silicone, not realizing how much I stretched it. Still holds the mp well, I just feel it would be more secure if it was longer.
Would definitely buy again if broken. But probably replace it with the OTP neuralizer. Heard good things about that one.
You mentioned you had to cut the silicone "strap" or cap. I think i saw in some YouTube short video someone was able to remove the cap strap and didn't need to cut it. I will have to look for it again.
I really like my Pivot and especially how consistent it is. There are times during the end of a sesh where it does seem to get a little warmer than i would like. I do like all this extra space w this mouthpiece where you can have the vapor expand and that could mitigate that issue for me potentially.
I don't think i would like using a bubbler with this and for my use would be unwieldy.
I use 2 terp pearls in mine now and they are quite noisy at speed, but i cannot imagine someone really tipping the Pivot so that you might be able to swallow a HOT terp pearl. Seems unimaginable but i guess if you sell this add on stuff you have to think about stuff like that. & truly how stupid some people could be.
Good post!
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I’ve been following Puffco’s subreddit, and one post linked a Facebook post with a pic of a burnt tongue because of the pearl. I don’t use FB, so I didn’t follow up on it, but still something to consider. Not sure if that person tilted it or sucked it up via bad airflow on the mp.
One reason I chose this mp was for the slight bend at the top. So instead of looking at the ground when hitting your pivot upright, you can stare at someone’s cleavage
. Works better with females though.
Principal Guy
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Threw my Plus away this morning after two days with Pivot!
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
OK found out what i was looking for ! These were all featured in some YouTube Shorts i had seen online.
The place is Planet Caravan Smoke Shop Cincy OH. i included their home screen shot since it shows the 2 other videos i wanted to point out (#1 is a cool glass WPA for $30 )
(#2 shows the cap just prior to being pulled out w no cutting)
I included screen shots but finding the videos onside is not too difficult. They had some other tips i had not seen before that anyone had posted.
scoobindedoob
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Those glass WPAs look great, I'll definitely grab one when they're back in stock!
My honeymoon phase with the pivot is about over, but I'm still loving it. I am finding that some wax drips down to the battery/mouthpiece connection, which is annoying. Maybe I've gradually been loading larger dabs, or pulling too hard. I've also been wishing there was an all glass vapor path, so the above WPA is exactly what I'm looking for!
My last complaint is that I wish there was an on-demand mode, like cheaper wax pens have, where you hold the button to take a hit. That would make it easier to take small puffs and stretch one dab over 5ish independent puffs. I'm somewhat able to do that by holding the button to turn it off after the blue heat-up finishes. A true on-demand mode (like the Yocan Torch/XL) would really make this a cart-killer. The stock WPA here is MUCH better than the Yocan Torch, which was my previous "e-rig."
Other than that, I'm still quite happy with the pivot.
What’s the real world heatup time like though? Particularly at below half a charge?
Puffco claims 20+ seconds in their device comparison chart, which seems a long way from a cart killer as far as true on demand goes. For what it’s worth I don’t really even consider my TM2 as true on demand.
Flotsam
Well-Known Member
Never been a cart adherent. Tried it once & never wanted to again. My other takeaway was that 510 batteries truly suck.
Can you explain why that term, "cart killer" is coming off as controversial?
florduh
Well-Known Member
You can have an entire session with a cart or pod in less than 10 seconds and slip it back into your pocket comfortably. There's no loading, pre-heating, or clean up required. IMO, no load as you go wax pen will ever replicate that experience.
vapviking
Old & In the Way
There's a wide range of cart experiences.
You tried quality rosin in a quality cart at a nice, low temp?
Many of the 510 batteries don't even go low enough for a good tasting rosin hit.
I actually do prefer a dab-type device hit with rosin (though my device experience is limited) but I will acknowledge that the rosin cart is far better than distillate carts.
I don’t think the pivot is a cart killer. Carts were dead to me long before the pivot launch. True, nothing can compare to the stealth factor of a cart. I just don’t like the tight airflow, the taste, the harsh vapor that makes me continually cough, and the multiple hits it takes to get me where a dab can get me in 2 or 3 hits.
If that’s enough to get you medicated….. more power to ya. For me using the pivot will be less time than milking a cart to get to that dab level high.
terpguy420
Well-Known Member
In this bag, I can fit:
A disassembled Pivot
OTP Neuralizer glass mouthpiece
A disassembled Ozze pen
Q-tips
A jar of concentrate
https://www.amazon.com/FIREDOG-Carbon-Travel-Storage-Smellproof/dp/B088T36Y9P
It's odor proof and fits in a jacket pocket.
A disassembled Pivot
OTP Neuralizer glass mouthpiece
A disassembled Ozze pen
Q-tips
A jar of concentrate
https://www.amazon.com/FIREDOG-Carbon-Travel-Storage-Smellproof/dp/B088T36Y9P
It's odor proof and fits in a jacket pocket.
This is a very fair point I have to say. I personally think it's a good compliment to carts vs a cart killer for this reason. After taking a draw or two from most carts, you need to give it time to cool down and the draw time is limited unless you want to gunk or mess up the cart over time.
I usually follow up with a draw or two from my uni pro+ around bedtime if I feel I need that little bit more but, in my use case, unless I need the absolute stealth that distillate carts can provide, I will always reach for a Pivot first.
I saw another post where someone said oil has gotten down to the battery... I don't think that is a device issue unless it is defective. Do you have oil up in your mouthpiece often? I've found low draw strength at first and lightly building to a low-medium puff over the course of the dab on green with one boost or red with no boost clears a 1-2 grain amount of concentrate without spraying out of the bowl. I think it's down to just figuring out the right technique that works for you because I dunno about you but I hate wasting good oil by having it spray out of the bowl!
I have not changed the ovens to other mouthpieces or done any deep clean beyond a drop of water in one to descale some chazz and after that it's only been qtips and they still look great. I'll have to pull them out to see if any has leaked down the sides but I don't ever have any color on the qtip end I swab down around the outside of the oven.
florduh
Well-Known Member
In the situations where I'd want to use a cart or "cart killer" (quick, stealthy, and easily pocketable)...absolutely
The Pivot can definitely get you higher. I think the bigger advantage is it's usually tastier and more satisfying than a cart or pod.
At this point I only buy rosin carts/pods. They get you pretty fucking high, ime.
Dressedspring1
Well-Known Member
Pivot got me off carts probably for good. It’s not quite as convenient but it’s close enough to push me over that line where dry herb vaping hasn’t been able to replace carts in all the years I’ve tried.
I’m vaping rosin on blue and while I’ve never timed it it feels quite a bit faster than 20 seconds to heat up.
I’m happy with the device. I don’t love the silicone mouthpiece but it’s fine and the overall form factor with the silicone mouthpiece is so nice that I’m not likely to change it
I’m vaping rosin on blue and while I’ve never timed it it feels quite a bit faster than 20 seconds to heat up.
I’m happy with the device. I don’t love the silicone mouthpiece but it’s fine and the overall form factor with the silicone mouthpiece is so nice that I’m not likely to change it