Proposed changes to Canada's Medical Marijuana laws

[Ontariovapes]

I got turned down by three specialists and a GP before I found a doc who was sympathethetic. You do better in the big centers where the docs aren't as paranoid. There is lots of info on the web to educate the docs. You need to do your homework and be prepared when you go to your appointment. It is hard but it can be done. There is nothing like the feeling of being legal.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations OntarioVapes,

I got turned down by three specialists and a GP before I found a doc who was sympathethetic.

I can imagine.

You do better in the big centers where the docs aren't as paranoid.

This could happen to be an insurmontable problem as i vaguely recall reading a brief article explaining how Québec is different. It was about Le Collège de Médecins, an institution that chose to instruct their members not to sign... I'm not sure. In addition i can't remember the date neither, or even the time-frame for that matter, but... - Most unfortunately there's always one, hey?... - Well, all i can tell is that i may have seen that text while i was following the link i provided previously - the MMAR thing, whatever...

There is nothing like the feeling of being legal.

There's some fundamental aspect here, i'm afraid, which doesn't allow me to share this particular view without making nuances. Being a French-Canadian i'd need to switch to my native language if i were expected to handle such nuances suitably...

So, i'll simply reply that there's nothing like the sensation of, euh... Hummm...

{ ...please fill this space between curly braces... }

I don't want to hurt anyone but i see things from a different angle it seems, an angle not fit for the title above. It would be utterly off-topic to discuss the changes i've got in mind, actually.

Perhaps the sight of flowering cannabis has blurred my vision, or it's the aroma that rendered me so "radical"... I just can't imagine what vaporized cannabinoïds could do to me!!

God save the Queen!...

 

[SunnyHours]

Yes and it's almost as if it's legal in Quebec anyways...people don't care if you toke around here.

and I've been refused treatment and doctors generally dismiss my complaints. So I'm afraid that if they aren't even willing to prescribe me conventional medicine they would be even less likely to prescribe me alternate medications...

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations SunnyHours,

...if they aren't even willing to prescribe me conventional medicine they would be even less likely to prescribe me alternate medications...

Indeed, your statement certainly sounds like it's totally plausible on our side of the provincial border!



I mean, is it true that during the year 2011 about ten thousand Canadians got their card while Quebec didn't even represent 10 % of them??? Considering demographics it's clear there must be a major reason why Quebecers don't care for a card, for some evidently obscure reason under the circumstances...

Hummm... So many questions to worry about, so very few answers!!

 

[SunnyHours]

I found 1 doctor that was willing to prescribe me some opiates for my pain. She's always in a rush so I'm not sure it's because she was sympathetic of my problems, might of been just to get rid of me faster...All this because I'm somewhat young (23)...opiates don't do much anyways...

I would love to have a license but even if I had one, I don't think it would change much in my life. Does the card even protect you from losing your job if your employer finds out you smoke Cannabis?

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again,

Does the card even protect you from losing your job if your employer finds out you smoke Cannabis?

Right, and i'll add one more question: what about getting a job once a guy has joined a photocopy of the said card in his resume?...

 

[Ontariovapes]

The charter of rights and freedoms protects you from any job actions if you ate legal. It is also agai st the charter for any prospective employer to ask you if you ate on any kind of legal drugs so why on earth would you provide them with a copy of the card. They can still do random drug texting if that s their policy for all employees but it is not a cause for job action if you ate positive for legal drugs. Now you see how being legal has advantages even if you live I. A province the the gendarmes look the other way? I am also on perscription opiates and could not suffer job action for them either even though a drug test would show positive or heroine. We have a lot of protection in this country and I do t think we should take them fr granted or it will become easy for us to lose them Also, and I'll just throw this out there, peop,e have power over you if you engage in illegal activity such as using or growing without a license. I dot personally like having to tiptoe about so that nobody gets pissed at me and turns me in. The majority of drug busts in Canada result from just such circumstances. I have also heard of thugs breaking into houses where growing is I known and ripping everything off. Are you gonna call the cops and report the loss of several thousand dollars worth of equipment to your insurance company? No, I thought not, but I would ....because I'm legal. Don't knock it. There are advantages. It's a damned hard process, and very frustration but IMO well worth it.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations OntarioVapes,

The charter of rights and freedoms...

Principles are fine, i have moral values too actually!

I have also heard of thugs breaking into houses where growing is I known and ripping everything off. Are you gonna call the cops and report the loss of several thousand dollars worth of equipment to your insurance company? No, I thought not, but I would ....because I'm legal.

Oh, the "RIGHT" to call the cops! I see...

Now, what about fairness? Please tell me about YOUR position on the implicit endorsement of the anti-cannabic politics with a legal signature from YOUR hand?

I know, that's not fair. Not fair because of the way how YOU got it and still unfair if OTHERS didn't!...

Maybe i need to explain but that's too bad because i prefer not to risk taking some Off-Topic tangent(s) again: you see i doubt the "Proposed Changes to Canada's Medical Marijuana Laws" made sufficient room for trivial concepts such as fairness that is! Wrong thread i guess.

In any case, congratulations for getting the courts on YOUR side. Lets share the joy my brother!

 

[Ontariovapes]

How do you figure that it's my fault that "I got it and others didn't" ? And what makes you think I support the Harper government and their stand on Cannibis? I never revealed my political leaning. If you're being pissy because I took the time and effort to work within an unfair system because it's the only one that exists at present, then you get no sympathy from me. I will continue to advocate for legalization while continuing to enjoy the status I worked hard for.

 

[JCat]

I found 1 doctor that was willing to prescribe me some opiates for my pain. She's always in a rush so I'm not sure it's because she was sympathetic of my problems, might of been just to get rid of me faster...All this because I'm somewhat young (23)...opiates don't do much anyways...

I would love to have a license but even if I had one, I don't think it would change much in my life. Does the card even protect you from losing your job if your employer finds out you smoke Cannabis?

As long as it's not a safety risk, your employer is not allowed to discriminate against you for the medications you take for whatever medical conditions you suffer from. If it doesn't adversely affect your ability to do your job, than your employer has no right to discriminate against you on that basis.

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again,

Please tell me about YOUR position on... YOUR YOU YOUR

How do you figure...

Ah, yes. It does that everytime!

I also remember posting this:

I know, that's not fair. Not fair because of the way how YOU got it...

Never mind the rest as a matter of fact, for the time being the only item of importance is contained in these few words:

how YOU got it​

That's one way to present it but i could have chosen another format:

HOW you got it​

At the moment i tend to conclude i should have, then now i might be replying that you've been made hostage by the Canadian government in virtue of a treaty which Canada signed under the ONU flag on this most fatidic date: June 27, 1928!! I suppose some penguins in Geneva were looking for a good cause in hope to justify their own jobs in the process, go figure!...

Euh... But i won't do any of this, right?

...

What about the whole matter of alcohol versus cannabis in our legal system today???

Hummm... There again i was tempted to get off-topic, once more!! Beep! Beep!...



Who cares in the end?! I don't really remember, i wasn't even born in 1928 after all!!!





TRANSLATION

Too bad, the whole fundations allowing such a thread to exist (see title above) happens to be flawed/biased, name it! Consequently the law with it and hence its yet-to-come "proposed changes", quite evidently!

Simply put i perceive legit MMAR clients as victims just like the rest of us. End of drama.

Euh... Or instead i could have answered that you've necessarily misread me or else. Which i suspect could be a real possibility here as well.






ADDENDUM:

Some linked reference from U.K., to redifine the time-frame in a global context:

How Cannabis was Criminalised.​

 

[chris 71]

hey guys i have been watching this thread for a while. i recenlty got my family doc to fill out the goverment b2 forum he singed it and stamped it for me.
i also got him to fill out a forum for a despecery.
i was under the impression that i had to get a specilist to sign off on the b2 as well as my fam doc to go to the next step to beable to grow.
since i got in with a despencery i didnt bother sending the b2 forum in because i thought i would be turned down because i didnt have a specilist sign off too.
and after reading hear i was kinda thinking it would be good for me if this new change would happen because then you olny need your fam doc to sign.

but reading here now im kinda confused. seems like some of you are saying as soon as you get a doc to sign your golden. i thought that only in certain cases yor fam doc was good enough. like if your fit into the b1 catagorey.
can someone tell me should i mail my b2 even though i dont have a specilist only my fam doc signing off on it thanks..

 

[JCat]

hey guys i have been watching this thread for a while. i recenlty got my family doc to fill out the goverment b2 forum he singed it and stamped it for me.
i also got him to fill out a forum for a despecery.
i was under the impression that i had to get a specilist to sign off on the b2 as well as my fam doc to go to the next step to beable to grow.
since i got in with a despencery i didnt bother sending the b2 forum in because i thought i would be turned down because i didnt have a specilist sign off too.
and after reading hear i was kinda thinking it would be good for me if this new change would happen because then you olny need your fam doc to sign.

but reading here now im kinda confused. seems like some of you are saying as soon as you get a doc to sign your golden. i thought that only in certain cases yor fam doc was good enough. like if your fit into the b1 catagorey.
can someone tell me should i mail my b2 even though i dont have a specilist only my fam doc signing off on it thanks..

You do not need a specialist to sign off on your form. Your general practitioner can sign-off on your form, as long as you have confirmation of diagnosis from a specialist. (I am bipolar, and this is pretty much my case. My Dr. signs my form, my diagnosis is confirmed by a specialist who does not sign the form but who has been made aware of my plan to use cannabis to treat my condition--although he does not endorse it due to his perception of a lack of studies/information, etc.)

If you have been diagnosed by a specialist, and your GP signed your form, send them in as there is no reason for them to be denied.

 

[chris 71]

deleted prob better for a privet message

so does that mean that my fam doc can inform the specilist of my using mj, without me having to see the specialist or contact him or have him sign am i following this right

 

[JCat]

Seems like their is a lot of misinformation about this program (I'm sure quite intentionally), especially for us Category 2's. So to help everyone out on this one, just to clarify, all you need is:

1. Signature of your GP

2. Confirmation of diagnosis from a specialist who has been informed that you are considering cannabis as a treatment option (ie. have your Dr. ask the specialist what they think of that as an option ... in my case the specialist basically just said he has lots of patients with similar experiences, and certainly can't deny it, but can not support it due to a lack of research and evidence).

3. The name of the specialist consulted has to be documented on the form.

That's it. If your Dr. supports it and you have confirmation of diagnosis than that's all you need.

Here's a link from the Health Canada site from Feb. 2006 with a FAQ that discusses this amendment in regards to the specialist. (see Q2 ... it's fairly clear):

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/about-apropos/amendments-faq-modifications-eng.php

Here's the excerpt from the FAQ of interest for us Category 2's:

For those applicants under the new Category 2, an assessment of the applicant's case by a specialist is still a requirement, but the treating physician, whether a specialist or not, can sign the application form.

In addition to eliminating the requirement for a specialist's signature, the amended MMAR have revised the Applicant's Declaration to enhance the acceptance of risks associated with the use of marihuana for medical purposes. At the same time the physician's Medical Declaration has been revised to include only information necessary to confirm that the applicant suffers from a serious medical condition and that conventional treatments are inappropriate or ineffective.

Hope this can help some of you out there that are unsure whether you qualify or not but know (feel) you benefit from cannabis.

Edit: Thought I should mention as well, that if your Dr. won't sign, there are doctors out there that will sign for a fee (150-400 depending on your situation, if you can visit in person or if a Skype appointment is required, etc.). These doctors are providing a legitimate service at what I believe to be a reasonable price. It costs money to pre-validate requests, collect documentation, arrange the appointments, actually conduct the appointments, review the forms, etc. Since this service isn't getting covered by your health insurance, their time and effort does have value and they do deserve to get paid for it. I have heard people complain that these Dr.'s are taking advantage of people, but I think this is rather narrow sighted as a doctor's time is valuable, and one cannot expect them to work for free. Are there some out there that are doing this in a fraudulent way and signing forms they shouldn't? For sure. But those are the ones that are giving the legitimate ones a bad name. It's not necessarily the rule.

 

[kingofnull]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cont...lth-Canadas-New-Medical-Marijuana-Regulations

Lets get active!

A friend of mine recently mentioned he wanted to become an MMAR patient. It's unfortunate that these chances have created such uncertainty - I really didn't know what to tell this person.

 

[smokum]

Even though I qualify for MMAR at this point, I'll sit back and wait out the bullshit before applying and adding my name to 'a list' of users/producers that will in my view make for easy pickings of those not willing to accept growing for themselves.

I just hate it that I am forced to remain a 'criminal' in the eyes of the Fed's over a non harmful PLANT.

 

[Medigan]

Having a no grow clause takes it back to being controlled by propaganda. Not profitable for the government so now it is illegal to grow a plant. Stupid

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations everyone,

...i wasn't even born in 1928...

Woups! I need to rectify that as there's been some changes in my readings since then.

I suppose it doesn't really matter but here's about the "fatidic" date anyway:

Do you think the illegality contributes​