Prices for concentrates in Germany

[Hogni]

Hi, I'm very interested in concentrates. Therefor actually Germany is aside from regular hash, kief and waterhash a desert. Only a few connoisseurs produce their own BHO or Rosin for themself but there is nearly no stuff like that in the market. So there are no prices.

Would like to sample known prices for different kinds of concentrates all over Germany here.

 

[Krazy]

Hi Hogni, I will be interested to learn the answer.

Back in 1980-82 my evil twin sister was paying 500DM/Kg for über grade Kabul black. Once it worked down to the streets and bars it sold for 3g/50DM. The black was so potent it was basically more of a low grade concentrate rather than a high grade hash.

I'm surprised more are not using the Rosin Method.


EDIT:

I am absolutely NOT suggesting that you become the Rosin Kingpin of Berlin!

 

[Hogni]

Hi Crazy, 500 DM/kg for top shelf Afghani in 80-82? Never! May be if she bought a ton. 5000 DM/kg would have been a very good price in those times. Prices per gram could fit.

In Germany just BHO-producing and dabbing is startening. But rare commercially.
Up to the 90ies in Germany you got almost only hash, mostly Maroccan, followed by Lebanese, Afghani and sometimes Turkey.
Weed here started as a commercial factor in the 90ies.
Today you get almost only weed, sometimes hash (maroccan) hardly ever concentrates like BHO or Rosin.
But it will come for sure. So I would like to get an overview about actual prices.
Would be nice to get more of this stuff in Berlin ;-)

 

[Krazy]

It was an amazing price, lol. She was shopping way above her pay grade. She had a glorious almost 2 years!

Before that it was a fruity tasting, greenish yellow tinged hash from I don't know where. Very nice and much fluffier, but nothing like the quality of the Kabul black. At that point she bought it by the plate as part of a collective. Her distribution line broke and she went hunting. At the same time the Black started showing up in Frankfurt. The shippers were being paid in surplus so you could buy plates from them down at the dock if you knew when and where.

Combine extreme paranoia, military grade night vision ( a super big deal back then), fortuitous timing, and the craziness to approach the guys moving weight and say: "did you guys know that the Polizei have this place staked out?"

Operational security and her day job pretty much meant that she absolutely could NOT expand; at all. But for the rest of her time in Deutschland she supplied her collective with a non transferable sweet heart deal. Her people were moving decent weight but had the same "day job" issues she did. All of it got cut up into 3g pieces so the bricks integrity didn't matter. . Every month her new friends would give her a chunk or pieces from which ever brick(s) had been the most damaged or warped in transit at their cost. And a few night vision goggles were absolutely NOT thrown in to sweeten the deal.


We couldn't get flowers at all; end of story. We didn't even look because of the down side. We had a closed loop of trusted people and no reason to take any risks. A few times they all took a bus to Amsterdam and visited coffee houses. Trying to smuggle that back was a fools proposition and they were not.

Toward the end the black started showing up with opium oil added. (lol, if you know your early 80s Frankfurt drug/criminal history you now know exactly when she operated). Sis discovered a previously unknown ability to start/stop the opiates at will and stayed operationally paranoid. But the opium made the others stuped and riskiness ensued.

But it really was a glorious 2 years.

 

[Hogni]

Lucky sister! I was in bigger buisiness in those times and have had really good connections. I guess even my connections would have dreamed of such low prices

I can remember the black with O. Disturbing stuff. In those times during their fights again the Russians production of O in Afganistan under the Mujahideen Warlords raised to heaven. It was cheaper than Hash. So they could pushed effects of low grade hash by mixing it with O.

 

[Doktor Dub]

I would also say that Concentrates didn t have their break through in Germany until now, don t know if it will happen in the near Future.
Some people experiment with it, but as the OP said, there is no real market and no prices for it.

I heard about BHO ranging from 60 to 80 Euros / g, but these are kind of rare Opportunities...

I guess as long a s the European Cannabis Culture is centered around Joints and mixing with Tobacco, Concentrates will not see much Love...

 

[Hogni]

Hi Doc, there are changes. Vaporizing is more and more getting a big deal in Germany. And Berlin is special cause of the large number of american tokers who live here or visit Berlin

 

[Doktor Dub]

Hi Hogni,

i wish you are right, diversity is always a good thing and the Cannabis Scene in Germany could use some new ideas etc. - still don t know if i believe it.

I know most Headshops now carry some Vapes and a little bit of Oil stuff, but i don t think it hit "Marihuana Mainstream" now.... if you don't make your own oil, i think it would be pretty hard or simply not possible to consume it regularly.

What about Prices etc. you encountered in Berlin?

Looking on your Sig., you know that verdampftnochmal.de has Grasshopper TI and Sublimator in Stock?

Have a nice Day!

 

[DrRishi]

Here in NL there are also virtually no concentrates available. It is classed as a higher level drug which puts it in the same category as the really nasty stuff so the coffee shops can't stock it.

Seeing as I would pay about 10 Euro for a gram of half decent grass then concentrate would probably be around 70/80 per gram. All the more reason for me to grow my own and then produce (bho) my own. From 150 gram of dried grass I get about 7 gram of bho. This lasts my wife and myself at least 3 months. After trying every way of consuming it we now both use a Hercules SR74x. Very economical and a great way to vape bho.

 

[Hogni]

Hi,

@doc: Dont know prices in Berlin. I was told around 70 € per gr. for waxes, butter and other concentrates aside from hash. In Berlin street prices for weed range from 8-12€/ g., 4000-7000/kg, hash from 6-20 €/g.

I'm making my own Rosin. Got this overprized Tarik & Rosin thing as a gift. Not really recommended but it works for some personal stuff.
I like Rosin pretty much.

Originally I wanted to buy Tri Clamp-parts to build my own 0.5 - 1.0 pound closed BHO extractor with a dewaxing unit. It's so much cheaper to buy single parts in China than buying a ready one.
But previously was fucked up by the idea of all steps of producing larger amounts of purified BHO. Purging at least half a day with a screaming vacuum pump, winterizing with ethanol, high prices for purified tane cans and high percentaged ethanol in G., emissions of tane - all in all its not really my buisiness although I like high quality BHO a lot and poduced yields may be higher.

Now I will buy a hydraulic H-framed 20 t press and a friend of mine who is technical developer in a factory for special ss and alu units will make some larger low temp plates composite out of cnc machined aluminium blocks as heating body connected with thinner ss plates for better pressing resistance for me. His products are real "Made in Germany"-quality ;-)
May be in the future there will be more for sale for EU-market. After his future experiences he will give a thought on it.

So I hope to get reasonable quantities of concentrates in a good quality with less efforts than producing purified BHO.

Yes, "Verdampftnochmal" has the GH and Sub in stock.
Regard to the GH I'm waiting for GHL shoot their actual technical troubles. Its a really amazing device to me - if it works reliable. At the moment still there seem to be to much probs with hot backends and so on. I still will wait a few months.

Yeahh, the Sub is a real hitter for herbs -awesome! But dont like their prices, lack of their proceeding and the monkey. My steel-buddy would make all the ss parts customized and optimized for me.
Still looking for a electronic buddy who would build a nice temp controller.

@DrRishi: 7 of 150?? Not the best yield I think! Its less than 5%!? Nugs or trim?

 

[DrRishi]

I use a tube that takes 30 grams . I only use nugs for my main runs. I get anywhere between 4 and 6 grams per run so not sure why I said 7 grams from 150! Must of already had a few.

I only run the butane through once and then it all goes in a bag in the freezer. I mix all my already run nugs with the trim from jy harvest and then I do an ice extraction. The ice hash I get I then mix in with my next nug run in the tube. This can easily double the production for that one run and the quality is still good.

 

[Hogni]

Are you shure that your 1st runned nugs (trichomes already are solved by the tane) still can produce ice hash? Remaining by tane solved resin lies on plant material as a film. How should it be cracked by frost and afterwards sieved?
Sorry, I'm very doubtful. I seems to make no sense to me? But I have no experience in this way.

 

[DrRishi]

Are you shure that your 1st runned nugs (trichomes already are solved by the tane) still can produce ice hash? Remaining by tane solved resin lies on plant material as a film. How should it be cracked by frost and afterwards sieved?
Sorry, I'm very doubtful. I seems to make no sense to me? But I have no experience in this way.

I used to take the nugs out of the tube after the first run and then re-pack it. This would give me another few grams but the quality was less which is why I now just mix it in with my trim.

I guess with a perfect extraction one run should get everything but I am using simple gear and some is always left behind. If I look at the nugs after a run with the microscope I can still see some trics.

I have never heard of the idea that the resin is spread over the nugs as a film. Interesting, if that is the case I guess a second run would be better. I will take another good look at my already run material to see if I can see any evidence of this.

 

[Hogni]

I would believe a 2nd run is the better choice. Or give rosin tech a try.
But now back to topic please ;-)

 

[Doktor Dub]

@Hogni: All the prices you quote sound pretty familiar to me, but i see Concentrates like never to buy.... i still think it has to do with the European Tobacco Thing...

Fwiw, i have and use the Grasshopper from verdampftnochmal. Works without Problems since a few Months but i only use it as a stealth Device when i m not at Home.
I think you get a good "Gewährleistung" from this Shop.

Never tried the Sublimator, but would love to. If it is as good as the Hype i d probably buy it pretty fast, only gripe i have is that it is not so family / Pet / Stoner / Whatever Safe.... HMMMM now i ve got to think about a Sublimator in my life.

I am very very interested in a German Engineering Rosin Press - would love to get more into it but the first tries were not very successfull - not the Topic of this Thread but exciting :-)

@DrRishi: BHO and than Ice does sound wrong - i d try a second run or Qiso /Qwet.....

I think the Consensus of this Thread is: There are no Prices for Concentrates in Germany, but if there would be, then it would be around 70 Euros....

 

[Hogni]

Yes Sir, up to now its my conclusion too. We'll see. I believe in concentrates will get a big deal in G. too. Nearly each hype in US will get one in G. after a few years. Looking at cann market we've seen that after more than 20 years of overwhelming use of hash weed smoking started a big deal in Germany end of the 80ies too. Primary influenced by the NL and upcoming seed market an increasind indoor growing but although hash in all grades were everywhere available. Today hash is much rarer in G. Oldtime tokers like me appreciate hash, a lot of youngsters didnt ever have tried classic hashs. All they know sometimes is bubble or kief made of indoor growings.
And tobacco is getting more and more less so important in Germany. For "better" people public smoking is nearly not pc.
NOW its time for pioneering activities!

Be sure, the Sub IS a real hottie in both senses! Security is VERY important...and patience during time of waiting until the beast is ready to roar. Scars of destroying drugs guaranteed

 

[Filhote]

Hmmm 6 h to freeze your buds and iso + 2x 20 sec to wash + 2x 20 secs to wash again. Then 60 minutes to evaporate the iso and decarb the wax/oil/shatter... finish after 7 h...
I made this every time. With weed from the parks or street, with hash or homegrown stuff....it works awesome.

 

[Doktor Dub]

Yes Sir, up to now its my conclusion too. We'll see. I believe in concentrates will get a big deal in G. too. Nearly each hype in US will get one in G. after a few years. Looking at cann market we've seen that after more than 20 years of overwhelming use of hash weed smoking started a big deal in Germany end of the 80ies too. Primary influenced by the NL and upcoming seed market an increasind indoor growing but although hash in all grades were everywhere available. Today hash is much rarer in G. Oldtime tokers like me appreciate hash, a lot of youngsters didnt ever have tried classic hashs. All they know sometimes is bubble or kief made of indoor growings.
And tobacco is getting more and more less so important in Germany. For "better" people public smoking is nearly not pc.
NOW its time for pioneering activities!

Be sure, the Sub IS a real hottie in both senses! Security is VERY important...and patience during time of waiting until the beast is ready to roar. Scars of destroying drugs guaranteed

You could be right, in Fact I hope you are! Would be nice to see some Innovations and more Variety....

Perhaps "NOW" is really the right time, with all those nice Photos added to Tobacco Packs in Germany etc.
You are spot on about traditional Hash, the Transition were interesting Times, now i don t see much of it.
Would love to hear a bit about your rosin Story, think i will give it another try.
A legal Market, even if it would be just a very little Piece of the Cake would make it much easier for Concentrates i think because BHO is harder to Check out than Weed.... Making Rosin "live on Demand" could be interesting.

Right now, i think anything Concentrate Related has the Home Growers as primary Market, as they got enough Material and interest.

@Filhote: Finished Material after 7 hours is pretty quick... don t know how you evaporate so fast...

Have a nice Day!

 

[Hogni]

Heard from a friend that in Bamberg QUISO is running for 80 €/gr.

 

[Krazy]

Hash and castles were my 2 favorite things in Germany.

 

[Hogni]

Meanwhile nearly all Hash on german market comes from Marocco, sometimes from Afghanistan/Pakistan very rarely from Lebanon. Some Skuff and Kief. In my High-times there was a lot more. Marocco, Lebanon, Nepal, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkiye in all qualities. But now Germany mostly is a weed country. Turkish Hash has gone. Havent got anything the last 30 years. Pressure of persecution was to high, growing/producing Opium was financially much more interesting, so today there is nearly no Hash in Turkiye anymore. Similar in Aghanistan. In pre-taliban times Warlords produced Opium instead of Hash cause it is much more profitable. In summary there is nothing on the maket from these countries anymore or just in poor quality.

Yeah, there are a lot of impressing castles in Germany. But dont forget german beer and Fräuleins ;-)

 

[Krazy]

In my High-times there was a lot more. Marocco, Lebanon, Nepal, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkiye in all qualities. But now Germany mostly is a weed country. Turkish Hash has gone. Havent got anything the last 30 years.
Yeah, there are a lot of impressing castles in Germany. But dont forget german beer and Fräuleins ;-)

That was my era in Germany as well!

Quality hash was easy to get. Decent bud was limited to small quantities brought back from Amsterdam and even that was hard to get. I am NOT a beer fan at all; but, German beer I at least kinda like. To this day if I'm in charge of wine purchases we are drinking a Riesling, preferably an Aisles.

Fräulein indeed! I them tall and slender/athletic!

Back to the topic concentrate costs: Where do those of you in country see this going in the next few years? I would think that in not to long it will be very available. Dabs are the new hip way to smoke. You can put it in an ecig. Making it doesn't require crossing an international border.

In 2 years will concentrates be readily available in Deutschland? That would drop the price to reasonable levels.

 

[herbivore21]

Are you shure that your 1st runned nugs (trichomes already are solved by the tane) still can produce ice hash? Remaining by tane solved resin lies on plant material as a film. How should it be cracked by frost and afterwards sieved?
Sorry, I'm very doubtful. I seems to make no sense to me? But I have no experience in this way.

No. The solvent dissolves much of the resin glands and any remaining resin not taken away in the solvent is spread across the plant material as a viscous oil. Because of this, any remaining resin cannot be removed using any kind of hash technique - there are not whole resin glands to collect anymore. Any hash that you made with this kind of material would be a very crude kief at best.

 

[Hogni]

@Krazy: Like me...tall (175-180) real blond, blue-/green-/grey-eyed, athletic but feminine

I believe in your prognosis too but not in your time frame. May be in 2-3 years concentrates aside from Hash may be available nearly everywhere in Germany but price dropping? Maybe at the earliest in 4-5 years. BTW is it true that there are some regions in the US where commercial growers cant sell their weed anymore cause the very most customers are wanting concentrates? So the growers noles volens have to make ones out of their weed when they want to sell their products?
Up to now there is no commercial stuff on the streets here in Germany, just personal stash with some gramms for selling to friends.
ATM most german people dont know concentrates, so there nearly is no demand as you can see by the offering of german head shops. There are some cheaper chinese nails (only well-known nails are from HE), dabber and slick mats and silicone jars, since 1-2 years the first dab rigs, one or two vendors who are offering e-nails and some smaller BHO-pipes or small rosin presses like the hair-thing or the fucking Tarik. But its getting more since the last months.
A friend of mine will develope together with me some bigger HQ DIY-rosin press plates with controllers which he will offer in his online shop on demand in a few months.
While testing some concentrates with experienced tokers, most of them say to me "to heavy, to strong!" Effects are scaring them. Its to potent for most people the first time. Same like me. But meanwhile I love it!
Same situation all over europe. A little bit more developed countries are the NL, UK and mainly Spain, where concentrates slowly is getting a hype.

Spain is a different case. There are the most tokers in europe. And Spain is the gate for smuggling maroccan Hash. In Marocco there are the first growers who are making concentrates out of Hash. So its better for smuggling with less mass. But these concentrates will stay in Spain during their travel through Europe.

 

[Doktor Dub]

...very nice to see this Thread is not dead, we can't leave all the fun to the Americans :-)

I don t care too much for Castles but like Fräuleins and Beer quite a bit, also a nice Combination . Although the favourite Type of women is always a very interesting Topic i don t know how relevant this is for the Thread... i think there are great women in all colours and sizes, i like some Curves...
While i like a few Beers sometimes, there are many Beer-Drinkers i don t like so much....

I don t think it is already clear how the market will evolve in Germany, like i already said most people smoking with Tobacco is one main Point here.

In the last Time i was lucky to see some quite nice made Concentrates, Prices between 60 and 80 Euro and heard the first time about Closed Loop System for BHO and Rosin press from somebody different than myself.
That said, most people i know who are long time and frequent consumers don t know much about Concentrates and never saw some. Around me, there is not much interest in trying them out, it seems to me that Weed is socially pretty accepted, Hash already less but Concentrates are seen as more "real Drug".
Smoking Joints is the standard here, Bubblers/Bongs are much less accepted so a Dab Rig and a Torch is something you can't pull out at lots of Moments when a Joint is no Problem.

@Hogni : Everything you wrote is Spot on, perhaps i might ad while the Head Shops are slowly offering some Oil stuff, it s most often just "novelty Stuff" for the people to look on but not a good Sortiment and often not the best Quality but pretty cheap - in my Opinion, cheap and Concentrates does not go well together, even worse than other Stuff. Just an easy Example, there is silicon storage in some Headshops but most often the cheapest Chinese Stuff there is.

Can you already tell a bit about the Press you are developing and perhaps in which shop it will be offered? Need some testing and input? If it is quality and not too expensive, i would be all over it!!!

On a more general note: In my Opinion we need more Quality and less cheap in the scene in Germany, this goes for Weed, Hash and Paraphernalia!