Prices for concentrates in Germany

Hogni

Hogni

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Hi Doc, you are right. Most of dab offers of german head shops is cheapest chinese junk. But after all I've seen prices dont seem so.

Development of the rosin press needs some more months. I think it will be a rosin plate set in different sizes like descripted above with heat controllers, heat cartridges for each plate. I think oplates will made out of composed materials. Most mass out of alu, the press area out of ss. So you will be free to use a press of your choice. I will look for a 20 or 30 ton press for myself. Its not the time to speak about the concrete way of distribution. When it will come I will announce it here. Its no paraphernalia shop but a (home-)brewer shop ;-)

May be there will come a bigger BHO set out of tri clamp parts too.
 
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Doktor Dub

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Sounds pretty good, perhaps too big for me. Did you ever had a look at the "Nug runner"?
This seemed like a good concept for a personal Press to me.

Wish you all the Best with your Plans and hope there will be a good european Press Option soon.

Quality Equipment is not easy to get in Europe without ordering from the US and dealing with Customs.

I know about

dabbing.de
vapefiend.co.uk
patientnumberzero.co.uk

for some better Stuff, are there other shops worth checking out?
 
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Hammahead

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I think concentrates are hard to find in any illegal market, cause they are a pita to handle. I knew a dealer some 30 years ago who bought very nice honey oil from morocco and marketed it as pre-rolled joints based on tobacco. He had been smoking that stuff for weeks before he made those joints. Half a joint turned four experienced smokers into a stereotype that made Cheech and Chong appear like Mitt Romneys best friends. He tried to market the pure oil before but any transfer would need it to be heated so it would detoriate, like getting ever darker and less aromatic.

I could only buy stuff like bubble hash or BHO from small scale home growers I personally know. Which I don't do, cause I'm a small scale grower myself. A honey bee extractor and some NZI butane is alol it takes. Prices for BHO would be in the low some 30 euros a gram area, but it's always a friend of a friend transaction, so most people would not know where to score such concentrates. That being said: I'm a 52 year old geezer, tf do I know about todays market among young folks...

Larger amounts of concentrates had been used to produce kind of a hashish surrogate, made of oil and a plant powder, most likely made from nettles. Rumors had it the mafia imported oil from north africa (easier to smuggle than hashish bricks, less space needed) and manufactured the stuff in southern italy. I think nowadays these people mix up research chemicals rather than hashish oil.

In holland after concentrates were forbidden, they came up with concentrate enriched hashish. I suspect what they call "puntje" is not - as advertised - high class hashish from marocco, but dry sifted low grade hashish infused with conentrates. It just doesn't have the aroma of high class rif hashish and it is way too potent to be as low grade as it looks and tastes.

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Hamma
 
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Krazy

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Back in the 90s (in the USofA) a friend of mine had a full basement chem/apothecary lab. He would cook it up by the pound or more.

We found the same thing; in that time and place only connoisseurs wanted concentrate. We would separate out 1/4 of the bud before extraction then mix it back.
 
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Hogni

Hogni

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@Hammahead: Yeah, this maroccan Hashoil went around at end of the 70ties/start of the 80ties in Germany too. They filled it in thin silicone tubes. Two cm were around 1 gr. So it could be handled for purchasing very well. But it was a mess to work with it for consumption. Have it seen in larger amounts 2 or 3 times in that time. But it was very expansive (mean around 25-30 DM/gr.) and difficult to consume. So there developed no serious market for this stuff.
 
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huk_huk

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Never been able to buy it and I'm from Aachen where a lot of mj consumption is going on.. Well I make my own QWE and it turns out as shatter most of the time (one time used too much trim and it was more wax like).
1l of 96.6% ethanol costs 24€ (can be cheaper if bought in bulk)

Doktor Dub said:
Sounds pretty good, perhaps too big for me. Did you ever had a look at the "Nug runner"?
This seemed like a good concept for a personal Press to me.

Wish you all the Best with your Plans and hope there will be a good european Press Option soon.

Quality Equipment is not easy to get in Europe without ordering from the US and dealing with Customs.

I know about

dabbing.de
vapefiend.co.uk
patientnumberzero.co.uk

for some better Stuff, are there other shops worth checking out?
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verdampftnochmal.de
head-shop.de
smoketown-headshop.de (notice the Grasshopper on frontpage :drool: )
and maybe azarius

but yea most stuff is from China but reasonable prices imo (verdampftnochmal is expensive but never had problems with em)
 
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polykoma

polykoma

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Oh well,
you will not find any concentrates until you meet a connaiseur ordering himself some and then grab som of it.

Meanwhile I managed to buy 1 time a bit of shatter. But it was also ordered from US and/or Spain to Germany and only small amounts.

Also i bought me a WAXY tube using DHO as solvent not Butane.
Then I made some Lemon Kush Wax - but found out I need to purge it. But I dont got any vacuum equipment so its kinda getting older and older and I fear to smoke it - any ideas?
(10 years ago I made some Honey with BHO and didnt purged it too - didnt knew better lol)

(I got a big Ultrasonic Heater/Cleaner maybe helps? btw)

I thought lately about buying a big rosin press for 300 bucks....
 
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DrRishi

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I am not a chemist but I thought after a period of time (a few months?) the BHO would have purged its self. If you spread it thin and warm it that should get rid of most of the BHO. Simple test is to put a little on a pin and light it. You should see if there is a significant amount of butane still in the BHO.

I spent a little over $300 for a 10 ton press and plates from DHGate. Best investment I have made in the last couple of years. Totally self sufficient now.
 
Doktor Dub

Doktor Dub

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@polykoma

don t know much about DHO (i guess it s dexso?) but with BHO, small quantities are easy to purge without vacuum and you shouldn t worry too much about left butane.

While you should try to get rid of as much butane as you can, and that is of more concern if you use BHO daily, it is relativly safe and you inhale much more if you smoke bowls with a bic ;-) - just saying this to get some perspective...

What you can try is "sun purging" which means put your concentrate in direkt sunlight for a few hours, this works quite well if it is thin enough.
and there is a great tutorial about purging by hasmasta kut to be found on tokecity...

EDIT: Lots of (old) info here: http://www.tokecity.com/forums/showthread.php?25685-BHO-tek-for-non-vaccuming-purges

BTW - in Berlin your chances should be better than in the rest of Germany...

@DrRishi you got the DH Press before or after the Nugsmasher?
 
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DrRishi

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After the NugSmasher. It’s a great little device but with the wisdom of hindsight I should have built my own in the first place. Really it’s vastly over priced but it is very nicely packaged and portable and is great for small bottle tech extractions.
 
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PPN

PPN

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My thoughts about some of the topics here. First the easier to get is hasch and it's 6-10€ per gram but except if you get a good friend who make it himself it's often slightly adultered. Weed is 4-10€/gram, the lower is for local strains with a low thc level and the higher for indoor selected strains. Still no oils.... except if you get a good friend which grows a lot of stuff :D!

I would like to elaborate but remenber I'm still living in an illegal country :bang:

edit: somebody asked about DME extractions, I tried that and it extract more than butane, so you'll get a bigger yield but the purge is a must and remains to be harder to finalize without to use a bit more heat than for bho. Don't use it for a trim run since the DME seems more agressive and extract more nasty things like chlorophylle and fats.
 
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Alex3oe

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never could get my hands on any concentrates here in Germany :(

During the last 3-4 years the market here has changed back from weed to hash again, but with an huge increase of quality.
 
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