Hi all! Any advice would be appreciated. I am still in school, working on my degree, and really need to chill at the end of the night. Love wine, but don't need the calories or the hangover. I had tried smoking in the past once or twice, but never felt high until recently. I want to like pot, but I hate the feeling and so stopped. I used to be a cigarette smoker about 6 years ago, and liked the feel of smoking. Smoking pot is so harsh and I haven't had an "enjoyable" high yet. I inhale the smoke and, even though I hold it as long as possible, I can't wait to get it out of my lungs. I have been considering that I might prefer using something like a vaporizer, but that is a lot of money to spend on something that I don't know if I will like. Wine makes me mellow and talkative. Weed makes me tired and jittery and a little paranoid and rushed. I have friends who love to smoke. I just can't figure out why my experience is so crappy. Any suggestions?
Pot Newb...Weed sucks?
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djonkoman
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well the effect is different for everyone and for some weed is just not their thing, you could be one of them
I also noticed that my tobaccosmokingfriends find smoking pure weed harsher as weed with tobacco(mixed in a joint), while for me and other non-tobaccosmokers it's the pther way around
either way it's smoke you inhale wich is indeed harsh, vapor feels much nicer
if you don't like the tired effect, try a more sativa strain(indica=mellow, tired, couchlock sativa=activating, ideas, philosophical, artistic, mindopening, thoughtprovoking, motivating but for some people also paranoia, anxiety and rushy/racey)
or maybe try an indica hash(afghan, maroc, libanon etc) and don't smoke too much of it, a lot of people report a soial talkative high from that(but for me the tiredness quickly conquers that, but I just can't handle indica that well, I need sativa)
a vaporizer also gives a less tired (and IMO superior)high
also with smoke holding it in a few seconds is more then enough
vapor is easier to hold for longer(and also less bad since with smoke you get more nasty stuff if you keep it in longer)
I also noticed that my tobaccosmokingfriends find smoking pure weed harsher as weed with tobacco(mixed in a joint), while for me and other non-tobaccosmokers it's the pther way around
either way it's smoke you inhale wich is indeed harsh, vapor feels much nicer
if you don't like the tired effect, try a more sativa strain(indica=mellow, tired, couchlock sativa=activating, ideas, philosophical, artistic, mindopening, thoughtprovoking, motivating but for some people also paranoia, anxiety and rushy/racey)
or maybe try an indica hash(afghan, maroc, libanon etc) and don't smoke too much of it, a lot of people report a soial talkative high from that(but for me the tiredness quickly conquers that, but I just can't handle indica that well, I need sativa)
a vaporizer also gives a less tired (and IMO superior)high
also with smoke holding it in a few seconds is more then enough
vapor is easier to hold for longer(and also less bad since with smoke you get more nasty stuff if you keep it in longer)
lwien
Well-Known Member
Not everyone likes weed, Shel. Just like not everyone likes wine. If you enjoy wine but don't want the hangover or the excess calories, just drink a few glasses. Just because your friends like to smoke doesn't mean that you should.
If smoking makes you paranoid, jittery and rushed, vapor could actually make you feel worse.
Stay with what you enjoy and don't overdo it.
If smoking makes you paranoid, jittery and rushed, vapor could actually make you feel worse.
Stay with what you enjoy and don't overdo it.
Nycdeisel
Well-Known Member
DOnt forget that experiences differ from person to person, not to even mention different methods OR strains. And every strain has its own effect, so its hard to compare experiences soemtimes.
Also sometimes a strain or batch is not grown properly and could be harsh or give a headache or soething if it for example, was grown with some harsh chemicals or fertilizers.
Lwien is right, its not for everyone, just like anything is. I know quite a few people who dont like wine but prefer other alcoholic beverages. The thing about alcohol is the effect is pretty much always the same, but strains of cannabis vary so much that you may not know what youre getting!
Also sometimes a strain or batch is not grown properly and could be harsh or give a headache or soething if it for example, was grown with some harsh chemicals or fertilizers.
Lwien is right, its not for everyone, just like anything is. I know quite a few people who dont like wine but prefer other alcoholic beverages. The thing about alcohol is the effect is pretty much always the same, but strains of cannabis vary so much that you may not know what youre getting!
jeffp
psychonaut/retired
There are so many variables with weed and with people because weed is psychoactive so set and setting play a huge part; I think more so than the differences in strains, etc.
I know somebody who is in extremely good physical shape, he exercises at the gym a few hours a day, normally he seems almost indomitable, yet the times he's taken just one or two hits from my whip vaporizer he was totaled and couldn't hardly speak. But he likes to drink and that's his thing. My guess is that deep down something is bothering him and the weed just amplified it and made it more vivid and visceral. Then on other occasions he's taken hits from a different vaporizer that you're probably not familiar with called Purple Days connected to a bong and he liked it, for some reason that method of intake was very enjoyable to him. "This I like! It's very good!"
For me I stopped using weed for about six years. Then about three years ago I was dating a woman who is a pothead, an artist who uses pot to help with creativity.
I started getting high with her - this was before vaporizers became a part of my life - with like this fake cigarette you put a little piece of weed in and light it up. I liked it BUT it made me feel weird in the beginning. To a minor extent I was experiencing acid flashbacks or if not flashbacks a very trippy disconnected internalized lock on my personality.
"Jeff are you OK?" "Yeah I'm just not used to this, it's been a long time, I feel like I'm tripping....but you know something, I want to MASTER this. This feels important, it's just a matter of doing this alot to learn how to ride this; to master this like a skill. That's what I want to do."
Everybody's different and by no means should you pursue this if it's continually unpleasant, but consider that this experience may be of value to you in terms of self discovery and creativity rather than just the kind of relaxation that you get from wine. I find that if I'm engaged in having a good time with my friends that is where my focus is when I'm high - again it's all about mindset and the setting of what's going on around you at the same time.
I know somebody who is in extremely good physical shape, he exercises at the gym a few hours a day, normally he seems almost indomitable, yet the times he's taken just one or two hits from my whip vaporizer he was totaled and couldn't hardly speak. But he likes to drink and that's his thing. My guess is that deep down something is bothering him and the weed just amplified it and made it more vivid and visceral. Then on other occasions he's taken hits from a different vaporizer that you're probably not familiar with called Purple Days connected to a bong and he liked it, for some reason that method of intake was very enjoyable to him. "This I like! It's very good!"
For me I stopped using weed for about six years. Then about three years ago I was dating a woman who is a pothead, an artist who uses pot to help with creativity.
I started getting high with her - this was before vaporizers became a part of my life - with like this fake cigarette you put a little piece of weed in and light it up. I liked it BUT it made me feel weird in the beginning. To a minor extent I was experiencing acid flashbacks or if not flashbacks a very trippy disconnected internalized lock on my personality.
"Jeff are you OK?" "Yeah I'm just not used to this, it's been a long time, I feel like I'm tripping....but you know something, I want to MASTER this. This feels important, it's just a matter of doing this alot to learn how to ride this; to master this like a skill. That's what I want to do."
Everybody's different and by no means should you pursue this if it's continually unpleasant, but consider that this experience may be of value to you in terms of self discovery and creativity rather than just the kind of relaxation that you get from wine. I find that if I'm engaged in having a good time with my friends that is where my focus is when I'm high - again it's all about mindset and the setting of what's going on around you at the same time.
jeffp
psychonaut/retired
As I think about my friend who liked the Purple Days/water bong - it's set and setting again. He liked the smoothness of the hit, it was easy and pleasurable so just that one thing, instead of coughing, changed the mindset of what this is and the setting of what is going on. Just one slight shift like that and that made the whole evening enjoyable. He enjoyed the whole experience but after five hits he said, "no man that's enough for me!" Reminds me of the old days when people sometimes had bad LSD trips and one way of helping people on bad trips was through creating a distraction, something light and fun and easy, like for example introducing a spinning top- a dreidel (for Ms. Nycdeisel) or a yo-yo- "hey look at this, this is fun, let's play with this awhile." Change the setting, change what's going on, and that one shift changes the mindset.
Egzoset
Banned
Hi Shel,
I only have this little piece of advise for you: if it's true you need to vaporize cannabis at the end of the day to decompress, in order to succeed at school, then i suggest you promise yourself to never touch it when you wake up or that sort of thing, etc. Even if there's no risk of getting physically addicted a point may come someday where one will start to revise his priorities and not always for the better... Having trusty people around to remind you of your decision would be a valuable asset.
I only have this little piece of advise for you: if it's true you need to vaporize cannabis at the end of the day to decompress, in order to succeed at school, then i suggest you promise yourself to never touch it when you wake up or that sort of thing, etc. Even if there's no risk of getting physically addicted a point may come someday where one will start to revise his priorities and not always for the better... Having trusty people around to remind you of your decision would be a valuable asset.
jeffp
psychonaut/retired
Egzoset said:Hi Shel,
I only have this little piece of advise for you: if it's true you need to vaporize cannabis at the end of the day to decompress, in order to succeed at school, then i suggest you promise yourself to never touch it when you wake up or that sort of thing, etc. Even if there's no risk of getting physically addicted a point may come someday where one will start to revise his priorities and not always for the better... Having trusty people around to remind you of your decision would be a valuable asset.
Shel - this bit of advice is far more important than anything else said. Also if you find that it starts to make you lazy in general, another way of saying "re-prioritize" where you're sitting around listening to music rather than studying or attending class, just forget about weed completely.
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
U might have cannabis allergy.. it's not uncommon even for people who are not abusing.. I have 3 friends allergic to cannabis.. 
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Shel said:
That's what I feel like if I have too much, particularly for the first hit of the day. And others will confirm that this is often their experience too. It might be like someone saying that they don't like wine, because when they drink two bottles of it they feel sick and throw up.
The first hit you have should be only a mini hit. Then wait a good 15 minutes for it to kick in properly - because that's how long it takes. The initial dizzy, queasy headrush you get from smoking is basically from all the other crap in the smoke - toxic gasses will do that to you (and of course this part is what we avoid with a vape). Keep this in mind, and keep your hits small until you gauge their effects. Then take bigger ones if you feel like it.
Now if you like your wine, there's nothing wrong with having a little to take the edge off the weed high. Just don't whatever you do get too drunk and then smoke/vape - that can get very messy indeed.
But remember the biggest factor in the quality of your high is your own mind and what you choose to focus it on. What you're thinking, how you're feeling and the environment you're in will make all the difference. Weed isn't so much a drug that makes you feel a certain way, it basically makes whatever you're feeling even moreso. So it's good to consciously let go of worries and relax into it, like a hot bath, and the high will respond with a feeling of deep warmth and wellbeing.
Here's a little exercise in imagination and thought control for when you're high:
- Imagine a monkey in a palm tree
- Now imagine a monkey in a palm tree, that's not holding a banana.
It should keep you entertained for a bit, at least.
Then again, perhaps you actually are one of those for whom weed won't work well. Mind you, it would be highly recommended for you to try vaping, so you can get a proper idea about what the effects of cannabinoids (the pshycoactive oils in weed) really are about, without the contaminating experience of inhaling smoke.
If you don't know anyone with a vape, then I guess you'll have to buy one or make your own. You could make a lightbulb vape just to get an idea of what it's like, but it's not the sort of thing you'd want to be using for long, as it's not efficient or effective - and it makes you feel like you should move into a squat in the seedier end of town. But if you buy your own, get a good basic model, and if you find you just don't like the whole weed thing, you will still have a device that your friends might well make use of - and it just may find a new home.
Oh my god...the advice was amazing. Thanks so much for all the replies. Weirdly I only got a couple forwarded to my email and so missed all the great responses until I had time to log back in again.
jeffp, you totally cracked me up with the "I want to MASTER this" comment. I guess that's what happens when an A-type personality tries to get high. I so get that.
Monkey. Banana. Got it.
I think the other comments about it being too much and the setting were also spot on.
I actually put it away for a couple weeks and pulled out my pipe last night and took it a lot slower. Better experience, but I couldn't get over how FAST it seemed like my husband was talking. I just wanted him to slow down and chill. lol
I've decided to invest in a vaporizer and give that a try. Would love to hear suggestions. Looking to spend no more than $200. Something to use only at home, for 2 (occasionally more, but rarely). Was eyeing Da Budha on Vape World. I tried weeding (heh) through the reviews but there were so many of them. All I kept thinking is that someone should set up a poll with vape names and everyone could vote on their favorites. That would be a quick reference point to start for new users. Anyway, opinions are welcome. Thanks again for all the replies!
jeffp, you totally cracked me up with the "I want to MASTER this" comment. I guess that's what happens when an A-type personality tries to get high. I so get that.
Monkey. Banana. Got it.
I think the other comments about it being too much and the setting were also spot on.
I actually put it away for a couple weeks and pulled out my pipe last night and took it a lot slower. Better experience, but I couldn't get over how FAST it seemed like my husband was talking. I just wanted him to slow down and chill. lol
I've decided to invest in a vaporizer and give that a try. Would love to hear suggestions. Looking to spend no more than $200. Something to use only at home, for 2 (occasionally more, but rarely). Was eyeing Da Budha on Vape World. I tried weeding (heh) through the reviews but there were so many of them. All I kept thinking is that someone should set up a poll with vape names and everyone could vote on their favorites. That would be a quick reference point to start for new users. Anyway, opinions are welcome. Thanks again for all the replies!
jeffp said:Egzoset said:Hi Shel,
I only have this little piece of advise for you: if it's true you need to vaporize cannabis at the end of the day to decompress, in order to succeed at school, then i suggest you promise yourself to never touch it when you wake up or that sort of thing, etc. Even if there's no risk of getting physically addicted a point may come someday where one will start to revise his priorities and not always for the better... Having trusty people around to remind you of your decision would be a valuable asset.
Shel - this bit of advice is far more important than anything else said. Also if you find that it starts to make you lazy in general, another way of saying "re-prioritize" where you're sitting around listening to music rather than studying or attending class, just forget about weed completely.
Got it! Thank you.
Nycdeisel
Well-Known Member
THAT WOULD ONLY BE A POLL OF OPINIONS SHEL!1
I am very happy that you benefited from all the advice given here
Da Buddha(DBV) is a great vape! but the SSV is even better! it has a better wand angle and you can get a 'blemished' model from 7th Floor for much cheaper then new but it comes with the warranty and EVERYTHING but the case, which they sell from the same ebay store separately , and its still cheaper then a brand new one.
Lots of good choices out there though, so keep reading on this site! you wont find a better vapor reseource!
best of luck with deciding on a vape for you!
I am very happy that you benefited from all the advice given here
Da Buddha(DBV) is a great vape! but the SSV is even better! it has a better wand angle and you can get a 'blemished' model from 7th Floor for much cheaper then new but it comes with the warranty and EVERYTHING but the case, which they sell from the same ebay store separately , and its still cheaper then a brand new one.
Lots of good choices out there though, so keep reading on this site! you wont find a better vapor reseource!
best of luck with deciding on a vape for you!
Nycdeisel said:THAT WOULD ONLY BE A POLL OF OPINIONS SHEL!1
I am very happy that you benefited from all the advice given here
Da Buddha(DBV) is a great vape! but the SSV is even better! it has a better wand angle and you can get a 'blemished' model from 7th Floor for much cheaper then new but it comes with the warranty and EVERYTHING but the case, which they sell from the same ebay store separately , and its still cheaper then a brand new one.
Lots of good choices out there though, so keep reading on this site! you wont find a better vapor reseource!
best of luck with deciding on a vape for you!
I went online and searched for "blemished" and "7th floor" and found a forum post from a guy who ordered one expecting a scratch or a ding and got one decorated with Insane Clown Posse all over it. Thought that was hilarious!
max
Out to lunch
Here ya go - 7th Floor Sales Watch the voltage- a lot of 220's here. Some good deals from other eBay sellers too. Good luck!Shel said:
What do you guys think about the Extreme-Q in comparison to the SSV? Seems like it has a lot of nice features and around the same price.
This is what I was looking at. Seems like a great price.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045CHN0O?linkCode=xm2&tag=invihand-20
This is what I was looking at. Seems like a great price.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045CHN0O?linkCode=xm2&tag=invihand-20
max
Out to lunch
The Extreme is a nice unit if you're going to use both bags and direct draw. Bag fill is easy, and great for sharing vapor with friends who aren't up to speed with direct draw, but most who enjoy the vaporizing experience get bored with the same old diluted bag vapor every time. And the E doesn't do as well as the 7th Floor vapes for vapor rich hits. The bowl and air ways with the E allow a lot more air, per hit, than with 7th Floor vapes and other dedicated whip models. You can get richer hits by loading the elbow screen instead of the bowl, but if you're not going to use bags, there are better options. You may also have warranty issues when buying the E at lowball prices.