Please help decide vaporizer.

[Jeremy Driscoll]

I have never used a vaporizer before other than e-cigaretes and I am going to purchase one. I want something that is not going to cost as much as the volcano, but that is the best in regarding 8 mandatory must have things. And maybe 2 extra non must have, but would be nice to have things.


8 MAIN CONCERNS.
The first that this can vape dry herb.
That is hassle free. Maintenance free, Or as close to it as possible.
Has a good warranty.
Is easy to clean, and doesn't need much cleaning.
Is overall easy.
Can get me the most out of my dry herb.
Is least likely to have parts or the whole thing break easily.
Is beginner proof not to cumbust or burn my herb from doing it wrong. Burn proof.

And lastly if possible these also
That it can vape other stuff besides dry herb, kief, hash, hash oil maybe.
And that can hook on to a bong.
However those last two are not mandatory, it doesn't have to vape keif and hook bong.

I don't care if this is portable or desktop.
Don't care if stealth shipped. Don't use in public, just in private with me and my girlfriend. So stealth meaningless.

Just to show I'm not lazy, or at least not trying to be, I have done research, and I have a list of vaporizers I think are the cream of the crop, but then again I'm a newbie so this list is immature, but I'm doing best I can sorry. (ALL help MUCH APPRECIATED).

The list is
DBV
SSV
PAX
Atmos RAW
Atmos RX
Davinci
Ago Herbal
MFLB
vapor brothers
extreme q
Herbalaire
AGo G5



Now from what I have been reading on this and or other forum for the last couple days straight without any sleep, is that the top four are

Herbalaire
DBV
ago g5 (its price seems to good to be true from vapor puffs.com so I'm sketchy that I would get the most out of my herb and without burning it.)

Then finally the extreme q.

Right now if I had to pick one at gunpoint I am leaning towards the Herbalaire because isn't the most idiot proof? And least likely to burn herb? And can use dry herb, and most most most importantly is likely to get the most out of the herb? And with that being said is it theoretically possible to take the trimmings that I would have had to make bubble or dry ice hash out of and just put them directly un grinded into the herbal and get to vape the THC that way because it can be used without grinding so it already is made to ignore the non wanted too vape stuff right? Or am I wrong?

I will buy from the referal URL of anyone who is the most helpful, and pay 20. to is the most helpful, I appreciate any help. And if I forgot one on the list of the top four or the long list that deserves mentioning inform me.

Does everyone else agree. That going with the herbalaire is best way to go based on my 8 concerns? Or am I wrong?

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Also forget to add. G5 to the poll. Please just write it in a reply if you recommend that.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

Mate I think you are going to have to shorten your list to really get many responses.

Personally I recommend an Arizer Solo. It meets all of your requirements.

Good luck

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Really I read that the herbalaire is the best because no other vape can be as efficient in making the high stretch. Saving money in the long run. Is the Arizer Solo better than this? Also I have researched. And many people seem to lean towards the idea that if it's portable it is inferior guaranteed to a desktop. Is that true too?

 

[Seek]

I think a log vape could meet these requirements even better than any of these listed in the poll. You could take a look at these.

 

[hoptimum]

I cannot speak directly to the HA, but I understand its a good vaporizer. Some people have said it doesnt taste that great. I can say from experience that the Solo fits all your requirements and tastes really good. The solo thread is full of useful info. Check it out.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Hello, and welcome! Thanks for pushing your questions to a more appropriate thread.

So... let's start off by saying this: herb pens currently suck. Forget Atmos and related. The closest working e-cig sized flower vape that works (ThermoVape's Evolution) isn't made anymore, and requires some technique. Scratch the G5 or whatever, too.

Do you care for portability? If you do, then my vote also goes for the Arizer Solo. You can nab one for $160 on puffitup.com I'm pretty sure. If you do, you might want to also look into a few aftermarket stems, namely Planet Vape's High Efficiency Stems. They have a normal one and a GonG (glass on glass) one that will attach to a water pipe of your choice. Make sure you nab the one with the appropriate joint size (14mm or 18mm) depending on your glass.

If you want for home, you've got the idea. Herbal Aire is quite simple, and does both whips and bags. The Extreme Q also does whip and bag. If you've got your eyes set on the Da Buddha, you might want to consider the older brother, the Silver Surfer Vape. I believe 7th Floor (the guys that make both of those) have one in their shop that's been on for years on end.

Have you considered any of the log-style vapes? Underdog/Heat Island (has a long wait list though), E-nano/related? These guys are misers in regards to load size.

Yes, you can vape trim/sugar leaf in a vaporizer and get high, but IMO it's more worthwhile to kief it or make bubble hash or something, that way your loads have a higher concentration of actives... if that doesn't make sense (sorry, dabbed out!) think of it this way: you load a bowl of trim that has 100mg total cannabinoid content. You have to vape the whole bowl to get the 100mg. Say... 10 hits, for the sake of argument. You can kief that stuff, get the 100mg in a smaller load, and kill it in 3 or 4 hits. 100mg @ 10 hits is 10mg/hit. Rip a kief load with 100mg @ 3 hits and that's 33 and change mg's a hit. I don't really bother doing that, I go to a club that matches whatever I get with sugar leaf/shake and I save it either for edibles, to blast for some oil, or I'll kief it and spike my loads with extra kief.

You're welcome, and keep the $20. Buy a dub and let us know what you get and how much you love it

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

Really I read that the herbalaire is the best because no other vape can be as efficient in making the high stretch. Saving money in the long run. Is the Arizer Solo better than this? Also I have researched. And many people seem to lean towards the idea that if it's portable it is inferior guaranteed to a desktop. Is that true too?

Others are better judges but generally desktop models are considered to be more powerful and better vapour producers than portable models. Having said that the Arizer Solo is very powerful and many use it as their daily driver. It is also very popular to use it with a water tool for added enjoyment (coolness, etc).

It seems you have a lot of models to choose from. Perhaps selecting something like the Solo and then adding a heavyhitting desktop model later might be a good idea.

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Portability and taste are meaningless to me. All I care about are the 8 mandated concerns.
Thank you everyone for your input and please keep the advice coming. And most of all thank you to the guy who told me that all pen vapes suck and that I shouldn't get it when compared to anything else and that the G5 sucks and that anything on the list is better than that. That helps me out big time because I really want to keep eliminate as much as I can until the list is down to one item left. So the G5 officially gone.

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Others are better judges but generally desktop models are considered to be more powerful and better vapour producers than portable models.

Then davinci and mflb are officially gone since they are not desktop. Thank you for advice.



However due popular advice. I'll add the Airizer solo to the list.

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Well whats a better producer and extracts the most? The herbalaire,dbv,ssv,extreme q,solo, Or log vapes?

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Ok soon done researching. I have been looking at log vapes and some one said that a log vape called the heat island is better than any desktop, even if it is a dbv. ssv lsv. But I somehow find that hard to believe. Someone please confirm.

In the meantime rating.

I have been trying to decide which vape is better for non wasteful using, and based on price and data. I think that so far in rating them from worst to best here is the list starting with the worst and end in best.

extreme q is the worst because I read bad customer service and bad warranty.
solo is second just because it is a portable and therefore since I can only pick one to buy it is over for this one on the list not to mention it is from the same company that makes Extreme .

Next is DBV again I rated this based on complaints.
Next from the same company the ssv. I don't like how they seem to be so focused on pretty looks. It really bothers me when a company is that obsessed with looks it shows that they are put much effort on look and maybe not enough on practicality.

Next is the lsv. I don't know really why this is that much better other than it came from the same DBV. Company but is the last one made so I am assuming that it is at least better than the first two they made.


Then the log vape since I have heard that they out perform any desktop.

Lastly the herbalaire because they said that they get most from their product to the extent of never needing to grind anything.

But honestly I am still confused. I hope I am learning and learning and understanding this, and not just wasting every elses time with these choosing problem I have.

I also hope that my thread will help other newbies with choosing.

 

[Seek]

"Wide airflow" group:
7th floor vapes, they alle have the same core or large glass tube with hole intake and ceramic heater inside. EQ's performance could also fit in this "group".
SSV: Customizable, good desktop form
DBV: It seems to me like a cheap version of SSV (cheaper in form, not function or quality). Not customizable and because of horizontal bowl there would be more hassle vaping small ammounts.
LSV: Handheld version (and good for bong use), by default a glass mouthpiece instead of tubing (more taste, less flexibility), protected against blowing into.
They all have wide glass bowl to fill. So they are capable of satisfying large groups. Wide bowl means large temperature diversity with a simple ceramic heater.
So it needs a lot stirring until its done.
Small ammounts will be very airy and so take longer to vape than "espressos". Super small ammout will be hard to vape, you need at least that big screen covered to get it going.

The other group of classic home convection vapes are "espresso" style vapes.
Leader of these could be the herbalAire. I think VXC and log vapes fall in this group too.
They handle packing better. HA is very good at vaping tightly packed loads.
HA and VXC have larger bowls so they could be better at satisfying more people, logs have tiny bowls.
Espresso bowl are thin, so its easy and fast to vape even very small ammounts into dense cloud. That also means they will vape them faster.
As these bowl are thin, they are small (especially these tiny log vape bowl). So if you want to vape a lot, you will need to reload few times.
Log vapes are best for personal use as they are dimensioned for tiniest loads to vape fast. You can reload them somewhat easily, but for large groups it would be a hassle and probably not enough performance.
Easiest reloading is with VXC imo. Also VXC is imo the best performing vape for both personal and group use. Yet its very expensive, moderately fragile, expensive to repair and the manufacturer is currently out for 2 months or so.

 

[lazylathe]

I would add the E-Nano to that list!
One vape that will suit all your needs in a neat package!
Can be used as a stand alone or with an attachment to your bong!

 

[JCat]

Since price isn't on your list I would add MiniVAP ... I like this vape more and more the longer I have it and the more I use it ... apart from the price (around $600 or so?) it meets all your requirements.

- I find anything with a hose/tube a pain to clean so that eliminates the DBV/SSV based on your easy to clean criteria
- PAX is a cleaning nightmare so eliminate that
- HA "could" be a good option but I've never owned one so can't say for sure ... heard good things ... can also get a glass bowl from Planet Vape and it supposedly works well for "vape-bonging" thus eliminating the tube ...
- based on your "burn proof" criteria I'm not sure the DBV/SSV/LSV fit into that category ...
- based on your "least likely to break/need servicing" criteria that eliminates the VXL Cloud for now ...

Seems like the list is getting smaller:
- Solo (smaller bowl, portable, excellent taste, easy to clean, inexpensive)
- MiniVAP (bigger bowl, somewhat portable, excellent taste, easy to clean, expensive)
- Log Vape (eNano, HI, Underdog, ..., smaller bowl, efficient, easy to clean)
- HA maybe????

You honestly can't go wrong with a MiniVAP if you can afford it ... the only other downside to the MiniVAP is for a portable it takes a while to get to a good vaping temperature IMHO (maybe 4-5 min)

You also can't go wrong with a Solo for the price.

 

[Tweek]

For a first vape, spend as little money as possible. Try one or two lower priced options and if you want to upgrade down the road, go for it. Just my DBV, is nice, because you can add the oil dabbing kit. There are glass parts, but as long as you are not a total klutz, they should be pretty sturdy.

Herbalaire appears to be a good option as well. You can roast a whole nug and it's pretty durable from what I can tell.

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

On this page http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ssv-dbv-lsv.7258/ in the post #6 it is mentioned. That you can make oil. My question is is this possible with all the vapes and not just the one this person uses?

 

[Tweek]

Yes, you can get wand hash from the DBV/SSV wands. Some other vapes make reclaim easy, while others are not worth the effort. Depends on the model...usually ones that use glass/ceramic.

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

UPDATE: I just finished researching the VapoluTion 2.0, cloud, vapor tower, mini vape. And I'm glad to say that none of them made the list. So that should help keep things simple.

Really the list is down to four NOW

DBV/LSV/Herbalaire/ and some log vape, I can't decide which log vape is the best out there to put in comparison against the other three. So that is my next job, after that I will make the comparison to the other three, and pick another one to drop off the list out of all four of the list.

I'm honestly thinking of dropping the DBV because in comparison to LSV isn't it generally agreed that, DBV is inferior when compared to it?

 

[lazylathe]

For the most indestructible of those you mentioned, go with the HerbalAire.

You load a metal canister, drop it in and use either a whip or bag.
No glass to break etc...

The only thing i do not like about it is the separate air pump.
Otherwise it works really well!

 

[Tweek]

None of your choices is inferior to the other. They are all great vapes.

 

[clouded vision]

I don't know who told you that arizer had bad customer service but if you check out the solo thread, anyone who has dealt with arizer directly or their authorized retailers rave about the service they received, that being said I do agree both units should be off your list based on your needs. The HA is probably the most durable on your short list but not necessarily the most efficient. You don't have to grind with it but my LSV gets my ABV much darker. The HA maxes out at 400, even the solo goes to 410 making it able to extract more actives. The HA doesnt have any glass so you can literally throw it in a backpack abd not worry about it but the crucible that you need to drop in is a pain to unload and can easily be crushed making it useless, is this better than a glass stem like the solo? depends on if you feel you are more likely to drop or crush something fragile. Also as mentioned before the HA doesnt taste great andeven though you say that isn't a concern, it probably will be if you keep vaping. I actually sold my HA in favor of the LSV because of the taste and the thinner clouds (thats the other thing, unless you grind and pack it tight the clouds are whispy).

I highly recommend any of the 7th floor products, even though it us possible to combust in them, if you take it slow you shouldn't have any problem. Also they are built like a tank so if you can keep from breaking the glass they will last forever, also they come with a nice padded bag to help keep the glass in good shape

Edit: I should also disclose that I have no experience with any log vape but I believe most or all have a fixed temp which means a variable temp should be able to extract more higher temp actives but like I said I have no personal experience with them and I'm sure someone will be along to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

They're all great but for different reasons. You keep mentioning the Herbal Aire so I think we know which one you've got your heart set on For what it's worth, in my research from times past, the HA was the one that people mentioned you couldn't get anything out of the ABV (already been vaped), so it would lend to reason that it's quite an efficient extractor of actives.

 

[clouded vision]

They're all great but for different reasons. You keep mentioning the Herbal Aire so I think we know which one you've got your heart set on For what it's worth, in my research from times past, the HA was the one that people mentioned you couldn't get anything out of the ABV (already been vaped), so it would lend to reason that it's quite an efficient extractor of actives.

not true, I could put ABV from my HA into my solo and get vapor, not the other way around as HA claims, and I almost guarantee I could get vapor from my solo ABV in my LSV but I haven't had to try as I have been flush with herb since getting my LSV

 

[Jeremy Driscoll]

Before I respond to the replies I just now heard about something called the Vriptech. I am trying to research it, but I am not finding anything out really on it other then it is all glass, and hooks on to a water tool. But based general opinion. Is it right to assume that it shouldn't even be considered on the list?