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[mr.blue]

Has anyone converted a ZX to be wireless? Would love any pointers on the best way to approach that. I figure I can cut down a 16mm coil to make the handle, but I’m less sure on best way to approach making an appropriate hot hole. From what I’ve read, just taking 16mm coil and trying to use that wouldn’t work because it would be too tight to actually get the ZX head in there, and I figure an 18mm coil would just be way too loose. Would love any pointers if someone on here has already figured it out.

 

[add1noob]

Has anyone converted a ZX to be wireless? Would love any pointers on the best way to approach that. I figure I can cut down a 16mm coil to make the handle, but I’m less sure on best way to approach making an appropriate hot hole. From what I’ve read, just taking 16mm coil and trying to use that wouldn’t work because it would be too tight to actually get the ZX head in there, and I figure an 18mm coil would just be way too loose. Would love any pointers if someone on here has already figured it out.

From my understanding, people are just taking their 16 MM coil and stretching it out either with their manly manly hands or pliers and a towel. Also, I haven’t tried this yet. I’m considering making mine wireless soon, but I was thinking instead of using another coil to make the handle if I just got some really thick gauge stainless steel wire and bent it into shape, drilled a hole in a wooden dowel and just use that as a handle. Also heard of people using stainless steel zip ties.

 

[mr.blue]

From my understanding, people are just taking their 16 MM coil and stretching it out either with their manly manly hands or pliers and a towel. Also, I haven’t tried this yet. I’m considering making mine wireless soon, but I was thinking instead of using another coil to make the handle if I just got some really thick gauge stainless steel wire and bent it into shape, drilled a hole in a wooden dowel and just use that as a handle. Also heard of people using stainless steel zip ties.

That makes sense! Guess I’ll have to see if my hands are manly enough for this one

 

[greenganja]

It's great to hear that Ed received the Ebonywood for the ZXXL handles. I am looking forward to putting the ZXXL to some serious work, will be vaping many bowls the ZXXL when it arrives. Thank You for the update @invertedisdead

 

[Cheebsy]

Has anyone converted a ZX to be wireless? Would love any pointers on the best way to approach that. I figure I can cut down a 16mm coil to make the handle, but I’m less sure on best way to approach making an appropriate hot hole. From what I’ve read, just taking 16mm coil and trying to use that wouldn’t work because it would be too tight to actually get the ZX head in there, and I figure an 18mm coil would just be way too loose. Would love any pointers if someone on here has already figured it out.

Here is my post on my wireless zx.

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Started following this thread a couple of weeks ago and now have a ZXXL and a ZX bundle on pre-order. The ZX will be my first wired desktop. Maybe my VAS will finally subside. I don’t think I will be needing another vape for a while.

fuckcombustion.com

I would say, for me, and this is very individual depending on how you vape, the zx is better wired. I would encourage you to have a go though and see if you like it. It's really not difficult.

There are other posts about it too, search the thread for wireless and you should find plenty of info.

 

[invertedisdead]

Are we going to see more zxxls? Missed this one and the original pre orders but been trying to see if they become available again. Is that in the cards?

Originally the plan was to open up preorders for round 2 as soon as these pending ZXXLs are sent out - Going forward, I’m trying to figure out what the exact situation currently is regarding the new import fees, as the ZXXL components are extremely expensive to produce in these small quantities.

P3 has been paying tariffs since we started, so import fees are not new, but it is difficult to tell exactly where things are headed.

The revised import fees might mean simplifying and streamlining designs to reduce the production price, and thus the associated tariffs.

Or divert back to more American production - which could mean returning to more innovative glass based designs.
As far as I understand no changes have actually been implemented yet though.

Even though these ZXXLs are still in the process of being wrapped up, the last ZX’s pretty much all went out without any issues.
It feels like a good time to launch something new and make up for some lost time.
Maybe another round of ZXL's.

Appreciate everyones supporting the original coil powered purpose built gemstone vaporizer

Which made me worried if I left it in the heater to cool over night the force of the brass contracting could crack the ceramic in the ZXXL over time. To be clear I ain’t no engineer or nothin so I don’t know for certain. Just something to think about. But if it works well for you (as in slides out easily when cold) I will probably pick one up because black on brass is sexy.

I haven't tried these types of coils but brass expands and contracts considerably during heating and cooling so I would be a little bit cautious of any non metallic devices being left in during cooling. It seems like those type of coils would be locked in to whatever tolerance they are fabricated at with no real way to open or close them up for adjustments.

That said the ZX's are designed and experience a tight coil fitment so it might be alright.
It's just hard to test that kind of stuff when there's such a limited number of them.

If you have the extra time do you mind sharing a little more about the screen positions in the ZXXL compared to your other products. I believe I remember you posting earlier about the ZXXL saying something like the first screen position is 10MM deep and then the second was 15MM and I believe the third was close to 20MM? In my mind that would basically make the first screen position to be around the second/third screen position in the ZX bowl. With the second position, probably being closer to the ZXL bowl (which I haven’t used) and the third would the largest you have offered so far. Basically, I’m saying all of this to ask with the screen positions in the ZXXL would I be able to microdose, normal dose and macrodose?

Everybody sort of defines micro doses differently, but while I find that the larger ball vaporizers work * pretty well * with small amounts of herb, in my opinion nothing works quite as well as the ZX does for that specific role.

That said the 1st screen position in the ZXXL is around 5MM deep, the 2nd position around 10MM, and the third shelf (optional) is 20MM deep.
I figure most people will use the top two positions in the diffuser, but the third one exists for those ready to try it

Yes, the volume of the first (top) screen position in the ZXXL is almost identical to the classic ZX bowl, or the "middle / second" shelf on the new 3 shelf zirconia bowl.

The new top shelf in the ZXBowl really rips for small micros IMO, I've been super stoked with that right now.

Here is my post on my wireless zx.

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Started following this thread a couple of weeks ago and now have a ZXXL and a ZX bundle on pre-order. The ZX will be my first wired desktop. Maybe my VAS will finally subside. I don’t think I will be needing another vape for a while.

fuckcombustion.com

I would say, for me, and this is very individual depending on how you vape, the zx is better wired. I would encourage you to have a go though and see if you like it. It's really not difficult.

There are other posts about it too, search the thread for wireless and you should find plenty of info.

thanks so much for holding the thread down my dude!
The passion is coming back around and I'm getting more excited day by day to get back to building more cool stuff for all you great folks.
Appreciate you all a lot for keeping the vibe up.

It's great to hear that Ed received the Ebonywood for the ZXXL handles. I am looking forward to putting the ZXXL to some serious work, will be vaping many bowls the ZXXL when it arrives. Thank You for the update @invertedisdead

Thanks so much for your patience and support friend, appreciate ya holding out

 

[PurpleHaze1911]

Originally the plan was to open up preorders for round 2 as soon as these pending ZXXLs are sent out - Going forward, I’m trying to figure out what the exact situation currently is regarding the new import fees, as the ZXXL components are extremely expensive to produce in these small quantities.

P3 has been paying tariffs since we started, so import fees are not new, but it is difficult to tell exactly where things are headed.

The revised import fees might mean simplifying and streamlining designs to reduce the production price, and thus the associated tariffs.

Or divert back to more American production - which could mean returning to more innovative glass based designs.
As far as I understand no changes have actually been implemented yet though.

Even though these ZXXLs are still in the process of being wrapped up, the last ZX’s pretty much all went out without any issues.
It feels like a good time to launch something new and make up for some lost time.
Maybe another round of ZXL's.

Appreciate everyones supporting the original coil powered purpose built gemstone vaporizer




I haven't tried these types of coils but brass expands and contracts considerably during heating and cooling so I would be a little bit cautious of any non metallic devices being left in during cooling. It seems like those type of coils would be locked in to whatever tolerance they are fabricated at with no real way to open or close them up for adjustments.

That said the ZX's are designed and experience a tight coil fitment so it might be alright.
It's just hard to test that kind of stuff when there's such a limited number of them.





Everybody sort of defines micro doses differently, but while I find that the larger ball vaporizers work * pretty well * with small amounts of herb, in my opinion nothing works quite as well as the ZX does for that specific role.

That said the 1st screen position in the ZXXL is around 5MM deep, the 2nd position around 10MM, and the third shelf (optional) is 20MM deep.
I figure most people will use the top two positions in the diffuser, but the third one exists for those ready to try it

Yes, the volume of the first (top) screen position in the ZXXL is almost identical to the classic ZX bowl, or the "middle / second" shelf on the new 3 shelf zirconia bowl.

The new top shelf in the ZXBowl really rips for small micros IMO, I've been super stoked with that right now.



thanks so much for holding the thread down my dude!
The passion is coming back around and I'm getting more excited day by day to get back to building more cool stuff for all you great folks.
Appreciate you all a lot for keeping the vibe up.



Thanks so much for your patience and support friend, appreciate ya holding out

I will be putting it through some serious work as well. Excited. Hopefully a ZXL launch soon.

 

[invertedisdead]

I will be putting it through some serious work as well. Excited. Hopefully a ZXL launch soon.

I'm trying to figure out if there's enough interest in doing more of the classic wired ZXL's, or if everybody is 100% onto wireless vaping now and I'm wasting my time with that.

I have some ideas going through my head but I'd like to hear what the 'Tribe thinks.

 

[PurpleHaze1911]

I'm trying to figure out if there's enough interest in doing more of the classic wired ZXL's, or if everybody is 100% onto wireless vaping now and I'm wasting my time with that.

I have some ideas going through my head but I'd like to hear what the 'Tribe thinks.

I’m surely interested. Got the ZX and ZXXL on order I love to have the larger wired ZXL and any other ideas you come with.
Appreciate and respect your work.

 

[Mr.Grumpy]

I'm trying to figure out if there's enough interest in doing more of the classic wired ZXL's, or if everybody is 100% onto wireless vaping now and I'm wasting my time with that.

I have some ideas going through my head but I'd like to hear what the 'Tribe thinks.

Personally, I'd love to have a wireless ZX. Small narrow bore one hit wonder injector but with more mass designed for wireless use.

 

[Electrofever]

I finally get the time to write a few words about the ZX. I have had it for a few weeks now, but haven’t been able to use it as much as I would have wanted, vacation, family etc… nevertheless, I have been really amazed by this little beast, Plug and Play as it says ! And quite small with the heater and handle, it fits perfectly my Prophet.

It is my first desktop ball vape, so no other comparison, but I am familiar with Tempest and TA. So at first I was really impressed by the ‘surgical’ precision of this vape, frightening !

I tried different temps but 480 seems to be where I landed, for now, but experimenting seems to be needed

The funniest part is that I tried first on the highest level of the screen, but obviously my hungry nature made me move it to the middle, and then the large bowl. And here comes the funniest part, I ended up putting back the screen on the top of the bowl, because it extracts so nicely, no need for more. And the roast is always so even, more or less dark depending on the temp.
Things become so simple, I am really impressed. All in all, very well done Ryan

The only downside I see up to now is the stress it can be for me having this really hot piece next to me, tones of wires and me being sometimes quite clumbsy… but no drama up to now

 

[Fearless Disaster]

I'm trying to figure out if there's enough interest in doing more of the classic wired ZXL's, or if everybody is 100% onto wireless vaping now and I'm wasting my time with that.

I have some ideas going through my head but I'd like to hear what the 'Tribe thinks.

i am personally into wireless and have learned to appreciate things like having extra thermal mass for multiple lower temp pulls etc. for me the zbowl is the perfect bowl. i use it in the micro setting but have used the middle setting before too. i will frequently load maybe 1/2 - 2/3 of the micro position. so i'd be interested in a wireless that handles zx sizes but with the thermal engineering to have minimal pid swing, etc.

Plus I have a 16mm wireless coil on the way for my hornet, i would love to just drop a zx sized thing in there too!

 

[Cheebsy]

You guys should just try the stock zx wireless! It doesn't really work so well for my style but @kimura loves his wireless one, it works perfectly for his style.

 

[greenganja]

Wireless is nice. Honestly for me it doesn't really matter if a vape is wired or wireless. I do like wireless options but honestly part of what I love about the ZX is the small footprint. I'm no vape designer and having a wireless version of the ZX would be adding to the weight and making for a bulkier design which pretty much destroys the whole reason that Ilike the ZX. Also I like the zirconia ceramic. The flavor from ceramic is great. And the color gives it a nice sleak look. Wouldn't a quartz design require a similar size in mass for the vape to retain it's heat? Anyhow I am very interested to see what you come up with for the next addition to the Phase 3 lineup.

 

[El Duderino]

I haven't tried these types of coils but brass expands and contracts considerably during heating and cooling so I would be a little bit cautious of any non metallic devices being left in during cooling. It seems like those type of coils would be locked in to whatever tolerance they are fabricated at with no real way to open or close them up for adjustments.

Okay, thanks for the heads-up. If the ZXXL fits into the cold armored coil without any problems, then we should assume there won't be an issue, right?

Just to be safe (and for testing purposes), I've now also ordered a 25mm axial coil from AliExpress; surely one of them will fit the ZXXL.

 

[Mr.Grumpy]

Because the ZX is tiny and the dimensions look pretty straightforward (no crazy curves, etc...), I'm wondering if a simple machined stainless steel sleeve would work. It can be machined simply (it's just a cone cut into a cylinder!) that fits over the ZX and has an OD of 20mm for a hot coil. It would add the thermal mass needed, and allow it to drop right into a 20mm hot hole. Not sure about the differing expansion properties and whether it would be a problem, but a sleeve would allow us to use it wired and properly unwired. Just have to see what other materials might work that's obsidian black.

 

[Fearless Disaster]

Because the ZX is tiny and the dimensions look pretty straightforward (no crazy curves, etc...), I'm wondering if a simple machined stainless steel sleeve would work. It can be machined simply (it's just a cone cut into a cylinder!) that fits over the ZX and has an OD of 20mm for a hot coil. It would add the thermal mass needed, and allow it to drop right into a 20mm hot hole. Not sure about the differing expansion properties and whether it would be a problem, but a sleeve would allow us to use it wired and properly unwired. Just have to see what other materials might work that's obsidian black.

this is a fair option but has some drawbacks. my 16mm coil for my hornet is still on the way but from others that did it before me they ended up running the temp about 100F lower without the sleeve. My hornet with a 16-25mm sleeve swings a lot after hits.

one of the things i appreciate most about the zx is that its always there and ready. i used to get frustrated waiting for a wireless head to stabilize before i could use it. I learned that all pids swing to some extent, but well engineered solutions swing much less. the main reason that i haven't converted a zx to wireless is because I expect that then i'll be sitting around waiting for the zx to stabilize before taking another bowl or dealing with other QOL downgrades resulting from not having enough thermal mass if it was engineered around constant heat input from a coil.

if anyone can make a zirconia wireless with minimal pid swing its @invertedisdead and i'm in on that! I'd also like to log a product request. There was talk about a year ago about TM stems in zirconia. they were pretty highly engineered. I would like to request just a simple straight zirconia tube for the tinymight. i would personally use it like the 55mm glass stem that wouldn't break when out. I would pick up an 80mm or whatever to play with too but all i really want is a durable tube for out and about. the ti gets too hot. i'm on the verge of ordering wood lol.

 

[Finweeder]

The new top shelf in the ZXBowl really rips for small micros IMO, I've been super stoked with that right now.

for the first time yesterday i did just a single bowl with the small amount and got a nice little hit. I will have to decide if I should sell the solo 3 when it gets back from getting its firmware updated. I never use it.

 

[Mr.Grumpy]

this is a fair option but has some drawbacks. my 16mm coil for my hornet is still on the way but from others that did it before me they ended up running the temp about 100F lower without the sleeve. My hornet with a 16-25mm sleeve swings a lot after hits.

one of the things i appreciate most about the zx is that its always there and ready. i used to get frustrated waiting for a wireless head to stabilize before i could use it. I learned that all pids swing to some extent, but well engineered solutions swing much less. the main reason that i haven't converted a zx to wireless is because I expect that then i'll be sitting around waiting for the zx to stabilize before taking another bowl or dealing with other QOL downgrades resulting from not having enough thermal mass if it was engineered around constant heat input from a coil.

if anyone can make a zirconia wireless with minimal pid swing its @invertedisdead and i'm in on that! I'd also like to log a product request. There was talk about a year ago about TM stems in zirconia. they were pretty highly engineered. I would like to request just a simple straight zirconia tube for the tinymight. i would personally use it like the 55mm glass stem that wouldn't break when out. I would pick up an 80mm or whatever to play with too but all i really want is a durable tube for out and about. the ti gets too hot. i'm on the verge of ordering wood lol.

I have not heard of the Hornet before. Nice! Does the narrow end fit into a 14mm female socket at all? Must learn and aquire!!

Of course nothing will beat an attached coil, but that's really only because of the loose fit all solutions today use. I'd love to see the current design of coils go away completely for wireless systems. Instead of a single coil you drop your wireless head loosely into, it should be a split coil or block with an auto clamping system, spring loaded like those car vent phone holders. Drop the head into a slot and it clamps down. Lift and it releases. A positive pressure between the block and head will help with the heat transfer and stabalizxation. Similarly, a sleeve should be positively clamped on.

The swings you see on your PID can be tuned out, and even eliminated. The majority of the systems out there do not tune their controllers at all, even in a packaged system. Most of the time, you need to tune your PID yourself for your specific coil, head, and ruby combo to work it's best. Kind of why I went with the Auber controllers with the knob for easy adjustments. I just wish Auber had memory slots for different settings. Every coil, head, and stuffing combo should really have it's own P,I, and D settings. I'd bet you can get rid of the swings and heatup response times pretty easily for your Hornet.

 

[Pukka]

I'm trying to figure out if there's enough interest in doing more of the classic wired ZXL's, or if everybody is 100% onto wireless vaping now and I'm wasting my time with that.

I have some ideas going through my head but I'd like to hear what the 'Tribe thinks.

I literally will be reserving/buying/craving a ZXL as soon as I'm aware they're available.

 

[Fearless Disaster]

I have not heard of the Hornet before. Nice! Does the narrow end fit into a 14mm female socket at all? Must learn and aquire!!

Of course nothing will beat an attached coil, but that's really only because of the loose fit all solutions today use. I'd love to see the current design of coils go away completely for wireless systems. Instead of a single coil you drop your wireless head loosely into, it should be a split coil or block with an auto clamping system, spring loaded like those car vent phone holders. Drop the head into a slot and it clamps down. Lift and it releases. A positive pressure between the block and head will help with the heat transfer and stabalizxation. Similarly, a sleeve should be positively clamped on.

The swings you see on your PID can be tuned out, and even eliminated. The majority of the systems out there do not tune their controllers at all, even in a packaged system. Most of the time, you need to tune your PID yourself for your specific coil, head, and ruby combo to work it's best. Kind of why I went with the Auber controllers with the knob for easy adjustments. I just wish Auber had memory slots for different settings. Every coil, head, and stuffing combo should really have it's own P,I, and D settings. I'd bet you can get rid of the swings and heatup response times pretty easily for your Hornet.

It does! Here is a picture of the hornet with the zbowl. I havent actually tried it but i will now! You can get more info at https://iohornet.com/:

https://imgur.com/a/KSusaip

my point as a layperson with a science background is that if the zx is engineered to hold the minimum thermal mass necessary to provide good hits while wired, that if someone converts it to wireless they may find that it runs out of steam after a few hits without the coil. I imagine that a person designing a wireless vape would consider how much heat needed to be left after 2 or 3 hits without energy input and would adjust the design accordingly. i imagine its fine for ohe.

regarding the pid swings i imagine i could tune out some of the swing in the hornet. my point was that a fitted coil may be a better engineered solution and need less tuning to remove swing. I am starting to grasp some of the thermal engineering in ball vape design and rather thatn convert my zx to wireless and deal with issues that could have been designed around I'm waiting to see what sort of wireless p3 has in store!

 

[Mr.Grumpy]

It does! Here is a picture of the hornet with the zbowl. I havent actually tried it but i will now! You can get more info at https://iohornet.com/:

https://imgur.com/a/KSusaip

my point as a layperson with a science background is that if the zx is engineered to hold the minimum thermal mass necessary to provide good hits while wired, that if someone converts it to wireless they may find that it runs out of steam after a few hits without the coil. I imagine that a person designing a wireless vape would consider how much heat needed to be left after 2 or 3 hits without energy input and would adjust the design accordingly. i imagine its fine for ohe.

regarding the pid swings i imagine i could tune out some of the swing in the hornet. my point was that a fitted coil may be a better engineered solution and need less tuning to remove swing. I am starting to grasp some of the thermal engineering in ball vape design and rather thatn convert my zx to wireless and deal with issues that could have been designed around I'm waiting to see what sort of wireless p3 has in store!

Awesome! And also damn it. I really don't need to be spending more money. lol

For a wireless ZX, or a ZX wireless sleeve, I'd be very happy with enough mass for a single pull that would clear a ZX bowl. I just want the wire gone for convenience really. I don't mind the recharge process or having the heater close by. I'm usually too slow to care by that point...

 

[Fearless Disaster]

Awesome! And also damn it. I really don't need to be spending more money. lol

For a wireless ZX, or a ZX wireless sleeve, I'd be very happy with enough mass for a single pull that would clear a ZX bowl. I just want the wire gone for convenience really. I don't mind the recharge process or having the heater close by. I'm usually too slow to care by that point...

for sure! i generally use my zx as ohe with a cleanup hit and would love a wireless version! i think that after the experience i've gained with various ball vapes that the bar is higher now. i'm not really willing to put up with a bunch of QOL downgrades anymore that accompany less well engineered wireless ball vapes.

 

[Finweeder]

Despite the calls for a wireless zx, I maintain we always keep a ZX wired in house regardless of other models produced. The wired ZX should remain the bread and butter of the phase3 product line

 

[SockPuppetTheatrics]

I'll echo some of the clamor for a wireless version of the ZX (ZXW?), recognizing that it's likely more complicated than just slapping a wireless handle on a ZX heater and putting a 16mm coil on a clamp.