Phase3 Vaporizers

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
DISCLAIMER: DON’T TRY THIS SHIT AT HOME!
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I decided to do some shake testing and reshaping of the coil. Just slowly tightening here and there until maybe I find a sweet spot.

Again, I want to reiterate that this coil issue does not affect performance in any discernible way, and does not diminish the enjoyment at all. Im just Z8dated and felt like doing some rigorous scientific testing for the community’s sake.

As you can see from the video below the head is pretty secure at room temp.


After 5-10 mins at temp, we can see the coil has loosened slightly, though it did take a bit of effort.


Obviously, this Z ceramic is tough stuff. I hadn’t really planned on whacking the steel stand like I did.

The only other thing I can see as (possibly) an improvement would be to essentially cut the tapered male end by half, so it has a similar short male joint profile like the 1.7. It sometimes takes a bit of rock to pull the head out of the glass bowl.

Someones already dropped mine on the floor once and it's slammed onto my desk twice so I'm feeling pretty good about the durability :lol: beads seem locked in solid too. When a friction fit screen fails it's usually during drops, but the groove locked screen on the Z8 seems pretty darn secure.

A few people have had some minor sticking issues, it's weird cause mine doesn't stick at all for me, but when other people use it sometimes they get it to stick so I haven't totally figured that one out yet. I still give everything the old bong tokers turn while pulling to clear, not sure if that has anything to do with it. There's probably some minor variation in the glass bowls as the ceramic parts are all laser inspected to be within .1MM of tolerance at that section.

It's weird cause there's one person who gets it stuck everytime they use mine, yet with the exact same setup I've had it slip out and hit the desk from it being such a smooth low friction fit. For that reason I recommend picking up the glass rig and bringing the vape to you,( exactly like you did in the video one post above) rather than sticking the vape in the bowl and then picking up the rig.

I am a tight arse and like tinkering/up cycling and found some $3 diamond wheels for my grinder on Ali to upscale some old cups, like this guy did,
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I like the idea of the 14mm injector due to power and herb savings but I have a lot of 18mm stuff. Glad to see the vape doing well as options are great @invertedisdead .:tup:

I like the value!

I'd definitely like to design my own stand in the future, could maybe have the glassblower make something.

I really like the wood + glass stand @coolbreeze posted a page or so back.

thanks @BakedDiogenes another example of what makes fc a great place

@invertedisdead thanks for sharing this educational journey it's great stuff :tup:

Nice to see you on this side of the wind farm! :wave:

For those having issues with the screen still, try a formed 18mm basket like RBT used to make or Alan makes for his wood stems. The one in the video is an old RBT basket, I believe, with a much less fine mesh.


I noticed the screen was getting outside buildup that looked to be cause by some minor tunneling of hot air, but obviously emphasis on minimal.



I suspect the basket screen might help a bit in keeping everything under the hot air stream and less likely to become dislodged when clearing the bowl.

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AVB:

That's definitely what's up, low temp crushers is where it's at!
Direct draw too, quick and quiet like a Navy Seal! :rockon:
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
A few people have had some minor sticking issues, it's weird cause mine doesn't stick at all for me, but when other people use it sometimes they get it to stick so I haven't totally figured that one out yet. I still give everything the old bong tokers turn while pulling to clear, not sure if that has anything to do with it. There's probably some minor variation in the glass bowls as the ceramic parts are all laser inspected to be within .1MM of tolerance at that section.

It's weird cause there's one person who gets it stuck everytime they use mine, yet with the exact same setup I've had it slip out and hit the desk from it being such a smooth low friction fit. For that reason I recommend picking up the glass rig and bringing the vape to you,( exactly like you did in the video one post above) rather than sticking the vape in the bowl and then picking up the rig

There is so much variance in glass, I would be quicker to blame whatever glass piece they are using, the female connection, before I would blame your specs of the Z8 zirconia male joint... Just realized they would be using your bowl though haha maybe that's what you meant, still yeah variance with the glass more than the zirconia perhaps? I have so many different WPA in different materials or even also glass that just don't fit in some glass joints, it's a puzzle game every time
 

pxl_jockey

Just a dude
FOILED! CURSES! So the last little surgery was a bit more than I thought and I didn’t anticipate very limited use of my left arm & hand! So I’m looking at my Z8 & the separate coil and laughing so I won’t cry. Just a little more antibiotics and anticipation for me :D

Until then, yay for Team Morphine! :haw:
 

coolbreeze

Well-Known Member
FOILED! CURSES! So the last little surgery was a bit more than I thought and I didn’t anticipate very limited use of my left arm & hand! So I’m looking at my Z8 & the separate coil and laughing so I won’t cry. Just a little more antibiotics and anticipation for me :D

Until then, yay for Team Morphine! :haw:
We need a Triple-A for our vape gear. Leave no one stranded!

Edit:
This one might be best of all: awesome flavor, I could probably turn down some more.
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BakedDiogenes

Well-Known Member
I've been running the DC at 450 for a good balance of clouds and flavor. It takes a bit and a clean up to finish the bowl right now since I'm sick but that temp gets the avb to a nice "mighty at max temp" brown. Nice sweet flavor with big clouds and none of the harshness I'm getting at like 475 and higher
I stretch my sessions out a bit, with a stir here and there, running at 380-400 on a DC 3D controller.
 

Vaporware

Well-Known Member
I started out at 525 which can really crush a small load (and me along with it), but I’ve mostly been in the 400-450 range too with larger bowls through a j-hook.

I haven’t tried not stirring since I assume it’d be less evenly finished that way, but with a little stirring it’s getting very nicely and evenly cooked with a series of short-medium draws.

Easily my favorite desktop already. :rockon:

I’ll have to try 380 though. Given how much vapor I can get at 400, dropping down a bit more and lengthening my draw might be even more of what I’m usually looking for… :sherlock:
 

madhockeydad

Art is beauty
It's cool hearing about lowering the temps and the great experiences. It's a good thing that it can either do a nice slow session at low temps or crush it and still be outstanding!! I tend to like cooler but sometimes a strong hit is nice too.

I'm getting the nicest and evenest roast I've ever gotten. The screen is staying clean and all the material drops out at the end. It's really cool. Using about 0.07 gr.
 

madhockeydad

Art is beauty
Ok I'm sold so where and how do I obtain one of these gems?:D

When ordering opens up it’ll be here :

 

Custom Flower Hardware

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
When ordering opens up it’ll be here :

Thank you very much!
 

Haze Mister

Verdant Bloomer
Manufacturer
This looks great but I'm a little shocked at the price tag.

$330 for just the heater and balls no coil or controller. Yeesh.
These are hard times, and Japan is not China.... Zirconia is not cheap and finding people that can make this would have been a job by itself. Small scale manufacturing cannot be cheap.

If you read the thread you will see that Inverted is legit, part of the community, and deserves it.
 

madhockeydad

Art is beauty
This looks great but I'm a little shocked at the price tag.

$330 for just the heater and balls no coil or controller. Yeesh.

It's due to the material. There is no profit in the pricing of the piece at the moment. Note this requires high precision laser guided machine equipment to incredibly tight tolerances. It's completely different to a molded metal piece or fabricated metal piece. Different levels of tech required to manufacture.

I think all of us wish the cost was lower but the reality is today to get this type of heater - that's the cost at present.
 

Gnome34

Well-Known Member
These are hard times, and Japan is not China.... Zirconia is not cheap and finding people that can make this would have been a job by itself. Small scale manufacturing cannot be cheap.

If you read the thread you will see that Inverted is legit, part of the community, and deserves it.
I don't doubt it. Not trying to throw shade, just too high of a price point for a lot of people compared to other ball vape options that include everything needed for less.

It looks fantastic and I'm sure I will end up getting one.
 

coolbreeze

Well-Known Member
just too high of a price point for a lot of people compared to other ball vape options
I think there's a real range of coverage with the current ball vapes, but this one stakes new territory in that crazy ability to do very low-temp hits. It's gotta be the flavor king, absolutely. And the 14mm size is both significant but not the limitation it might seem: I haven't tried it but I have no doubt I can turn up a bit and crush big piles of herb. So I think it can do what the others can, and also what the other can't.

One other thing: we're discussing the 'worth' of a Vapman Station over in that thread and one takeaway is that something that is very single-purpose (though admittedly fantastic) could easily satisfy people in that price range. This device is more versatile, more powerful, more durable. Now look at it in that light compared to other devices (Vapbong, Volcano, etc) and I think it looks more and more like a nice price.
 

Gnome34

Well-Known Member
I think there's a real range of coverage with the current ball vapes, but this one stakes new territory in that crazy ability to do very low-temp hits. It's gotta be the flavor king, absolutely. And the 14mm size is both significant but not the limitation it might seem: I haven't tried it but I have no doubt I can turn up a bit and crush big piles of herb. So I think it can do what the others can, and also what the other can't.

One other thing: we're discussing the 'worth' of a Vapman Station over in that thread and one takeaway is that something that is very single-purpose (though admittedly fantastic) could easily satisfy people in that price range. This device is more versatile, more powerful, more durable. Now look at it in that light compared to other devices (Vapbong, Volcano, etc) and I think it looks more and more like a nice price.
The temp settings I'm seeing are definitely very impressive compared to other ball vapes. Low temps are the reason this one will stand apart from the pack.

Ironically enough I will be buying the vapman station the day it releases. It may cost more than the z8! I know what I will be getting into with that at least. I don't think newbies will be interested in the z8 at this price point without having tried a ball vape before.

Not trying to be cynical, just wanting the z8 to be as popular and widespread as possible. More units typically reduces cost from suppliers resulting in a cheaper final product for buyers.

I'll definitely be keeping my eyes on this one. If I'm not mistaken this may be the only dry herb vape I'm intrigued with at the moment. I have two concentrate devices I'm paying attention to but the flower world has been a little stagnant for me lately. Good to see some promising new stuff on the way!
 
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