Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

[lwien]

Right. But it's not hard to recommend a small groupof vapes that each fit basic needs. Like the Pax fits portability and stealth ect....I think a lot of times the people haven't decided their priorities before they post.

Right, it's not hard to recommend a small group of vapes listing what each of them are good at, but that usually is not what happens.

I do agree that most people have not decided what their priorities are, and that is why EVERY TIME some asks a general question, like "What vape should I buy?" or "What is the best vape?", I ALWAYS ask what their priorities are.

People who say that the Volcano is the best vaporizer there is, or the PAX or the MFLB is the best portable is kind of a pet peeve of mine, for typically, they are doing nothing more than pimping the only vape they have ever used or ever owned and they recommend these vapes without a clue as to what the person is REALLY looking for.

 

[Uncle Tito]

Right, it's not hard to recommend a small group of vapes listing what each of them are good at, but that usually is not what happens.

I do agree that most people have not decided what their priorities are, and that is why EVERY TIME some asks a general question, like "What vape should I buy?" or "What is the best vape?", I ALWAYS ask what their priorities are.

People who say that the Volcano is the best vaporizer there is, or the PAX or the MFLB is the best portable is kind of a pet peeve of mine, for typically, they are doing nothing more than pimping the only vape they have ever used or ever owned and they recommend these vapes without a clue as to what the person is REALLY looking for.

In which case I would condemn the user for not establishing priorities before I would chastise someone for suggesting the vape they own. I believe if you are gonna ask the question it is your job to establish priorities or criteria to fill.

 

[lwien]

In which case I would condemn the user for not establishing priorities before I would chastise someone for suggesting the vape they own. I believe if you are gonna ask the question it is your job to establish priorities or criteria to fill.

But like you said, they may not know what their priorities are simply because they've never thought about them before, which is the reason why I always ask. They also, more than likely, have no idea that different vapes excel in different areas and that NO vape exists that is better in all areas than any other vape.

To suggest just one vape to the person described above without first doing a bit of digging, in my opinion, does that person more of a disservice than anything.

 

[Uncle Tito]

But like you said, they may not know what their priorities are simply because they've never thought about them before, which is the reason why I always ask. They also, more than likely, have no idea that different vapes excel in different areas and that NO vape exists that is better in all areas than any other vape.

To suggest just one vape to the person described above without first doing a bit of digging, in my opinion, does that person more of a disservice than anything.

If they don't know their priorities asking for them won't magically makethem realize them though. I find people who don't set priorities to be lazy and expect people to do all the research for them which is a disservice to the entire thread!

 

[lwien]

If they don't know their priorities asking for them won't magically makethem realize them though.

Most times, just asking lights the spark.

 

[Shadowdjinni]

I know this is the Pax thread, but I didn't see a thread for Ploom's Model Two product so I'll ask here. (Mods, if this is inappropriate per thread rules I understand).

Anyone have experience with this thing?
he reviews are great for the device and the price of the pods isn't an issue (since I'll just order over $65 worth to get free shipping, instead of $15). What I'm concerned about, however, is the location the tobacco is from? No website yielded anything after an hour on Google.

Edit: I'm looking into it for my girlfriend. She smokes, doesn't want a vape for loose tobacco, and doesn't like the propelyne glycol of the e-cigs. Loose tobacco in pods seems just right for her.

 

[Curiousone]

In my opinion, bringing up the cons as well as the pros about ANY vape is not silly at all. For some, taste and efficiency is at the top of their priority list. For others, the attributes that you mentioned above is at the top theirs. No right or wrong here. Just different priorities, so for the some, the PAX would be the best vape for them. For others, it could be the worst.

And this is why it irks me so much when a generalized recommendation is made when someone inquires about the purchase of any vaporizer without first asking the person who is looking to purchase a vape, what their priorities are.

What I meant by: to argue that is silly... is that the Pax excels at those things I previously stated and isn't the best at taste and efficiency. This seem to be the general consensus since the release of the unit so arguing about it seems like a waste at this point since it is mostly "common knowledge". That's what I was saying...

Obviously, I agree that a person's priorities in terms of need will determine what unit is best for them...

My real point: I just hate how some vape users who are in the "know" tend to shun the Pax and S&B products as if they're only for the ignorant, uninformed masses. I don't always stand with the crowd, but in the case of these two products I don't mind one bit

 

[OregonStoner]

Hey all, how do you guys use your Pax? I have had mine for a while now and want to make sure I'm achieveing maxium efficency. First, how much do you pack in your ovens? (I think i pack mine too full because weed is always stuck on the magnetic cover) Next, what is your technique while drawing a what temps do you use? Lastly, how much draws would you say you het before your oven is done? Thanks for any insight, I thought I'd ask some more experienxed users. Appreciate any help, stay vaped my friends

Hi UT

I always pack my oven as full as possible. I also get herbs stuck on the oven cover. I load my Pax this full because i prefer to only load it once a day.

In the year I have had my Pax, I have experimented with several temp levels and methods of hitting. For the longest part of the year, I used my Pax only on high (aka vapor shocking) and would take 2 to 3 second "sips" followed by a 5 second pause then repeat. I then moved down to Medium temp because I felt I was getting an odd flavor profile when on high temp. On Medium temp, I followed the same "sip" routine as when using the unit on High temp. Recently however, I have now moved on to using the low setting. I get much thinner vapor, but the flavor profile is very good and lasts for many more hits. I feel I get a different high on low temperature. I also load BHO in every oven load and was concerned that the oil would not vape correctly at lower temperatures but found all temp levels to work just fine on melting the BHO. On the low setting, I like to take 7-8 second draws (or until it starts to feel hot on my lips) and then break for 5 seconds then repeat. After vapor production stops on low. I then vape on Medium until no more vapor production could be noticed. It should be noted as well that I stir my loads often, usually after I notice no more vapor being produced. After no more vapor production on medium, I toss the load. I found that I could get more out of the herb if I moved up to high temperature but the effects on me were undesirable (mainly getting very sleepy and wanting bed NOW, terrible taste also).

Hard to say how many draws I get from a load. I can reasonably guess that I get at least 20+ "sips" or "draws" on a full oven load. I try to turn off my Pax after every hit to make it more efficient. This will affect battery performance but I always have a charger handy and have not found myself regretting the increased battery usage. I don't like having the unit vape weed while I am holding in a big hit. This seems like a waste.. IMO

I have found the Pax to be a very portable, durable unit. I have used mine for a year, multiple times everyday and it keeps on vaping! I have even had friends and myself drop the unit by accident with no functional loss, although I do have a couple deep scratches on the case. Although this unit is not recommended for concentrates. I find it to be awesome at vaping concentrates! I would much rather vape concentrates in my Pax than in my dab pen. It should be noted that I always sandwich my oils and have not ever tried just concentrates alone.

In closing, although the Pax is not a perfect vape, it fit my stealth and performance requirements more than any other pocket sized vape could achieve IMO. I considered the Solo (too big, glass pieces to carry around), the MFLB (having to carry extra batteries,very easy to combust), The Pinnacle (this was close. However when handling the unit at the LHS, it felt kinda cheaply made) and the Palm (carry extra batteries and also felt VERY cheap). I have been very happy with my Pax and would buy another to fill my stealth/performance requirements if something were to happen to my current Pax.

 

[linux3214]

After using the Arizer Solo for about 2 weeks and demoing a mlfb, I've decided to come back to the Pax side (irony, not establishing an argumentative binary). I'm planning to get into tobacco vaping along with herbs and the Pax seems to have the best design for on the go use and stowing in pants pockets. Also, the cleaning became a Sunday ritual for me to do alongside my fountain pen flushing.

Do any of you helpful people know if the taste gets weird, the tobacco and herb rotation? Also, I hear that the Pax requires less cleaning when using only tobacco because of the properties of tobacco vapor versus the other one.

 

[PPN]

I never use it with tobacco, but since I got it it becomes my on the go daily driver,( and the Xp is now my outside party vape), I like the thick vapor, the easy load and it punchs my face!

And for the design, by far it's the better, I like to feel it on my hand, I picked up a blue one and I like it!

I found to stir at the half session helps to continue to produce thick clouds, and I use an added screen all the time.

 

[Uncle Tito]

Hi UT

I always pack my oven as full as possible. I also get herbs stuck on the oven cover. I load my Pax this full because i prefer to only load it once a day.

In the year I have had my Pax, I have experimented with several temp levels and methods of hitting. For the longest part of the year, I used my Pax only on high (aka vapor shocking) and would take 2 to 3 second "sips" followed by a 5 second pause then repeat. I then moved down to Medium temp because I felt I was getting an odd flavor profile when on high temp. On Medium temp, I followed the same "sip" routine as when using the unit on High temp. Recently however, I have now moved on to using the low setting. I get much thinner vapor, but the flavor profile is very good and lasts for many more hits. I feel I get a different high on low temperature. I also load BHO in every oven load and was concerned that the oil would not vape correctly at lower temperatures but found all temp levels to work just fine on melting the BHO. On the low setting, I like to take 7-8 second draws (or until it starts to feel hot on my lips) and then break for 5 seconds then repeat. After vapor production stops on low. I then vape on Medium until no more vapor production could be noticed. It should be noted as well that I stir my loads often, usually after I notice no more vapor being produced. After no more vapor production on medium, I toss the load. I found that I could get more out of the herb if I moved up to high temperature but the effects on me were undesirable (mainly getting very sleepy and wanting bed NOW, terrible taste also).

Hard to say how many draws I get from a load. I can reasonably guess that I get at least 20+ "sips" or "draws" on a full oven load. I try to turn off my Pax after every hit to make it more efficient. This will affect battery performance but I always have a charger handy and have not found myself regretting the increased battery usage. I don't like having the unit vape weed while I am holding in a big hit. This seems like a waste.. IMO

I have found the Pax to be a very portable, durable unit. I have used mine for a year, multiple times everyday and it keeps on vaping! I have even had friends and myself drop the unit by accident with no functional loss, although I do have a couple deep scratches on the case. Although this unit is not recommended for concentrates. I find it to be awesome at vaping concentrates! I would much rather vape concentrates in my Pax than in my dab pen. It should be noted that I always sandwich my oils and have not ever tried just concentrates alone.

In closing, although the Pax is not a perfect vape, it fit my stealth and performance requirements more than any other pocket sized vape could achieve IMO. I considered the Solo (too big, glass pieces to carry around), the MFLB (having to carry extra batteries,very easy to combust), The Pinnacle (this was close. However when handling the unit at the LHS, it felt kinda cheaply made) and the Palm (carry extra batteries and also felt VERY cheap). I have been very happy with my Pax and would buy another to fill my stealth/performance requirements if something were to happen to my current Pax.

I also find the "sip" technique to work the best. I draw in 1-2 seconds hit then pause for about 3 and repeat like 4 times per hit. I leave mine on because I take hits in rapid sucession and like the Pax to be producing vapor so when I draw i get nice clouds. I never understood all the complaining about Pax cleaning either......pretty basic process lol. Thanks for the insight

 

[TheDundertaker]

Would you pax masters say the pax is for me if: 1) im just looking to get high asap anywhere 2) taste isnt a concern, but after hitting the pax I would not say the pax has bad flavor 3) looking to pack a fat oven and just walk around with it all day

 

[2 Paces]

Would you pax masters say the pax is for me if: 1) im just looking to get high asap anywhere 2) taste isnt a concern, but after hitting the pax I would not say the pax has bad flavor 3) looking to pack a fat oven and just walk around with it all day

Yes, with one exception: The Pax can stink a lot when in use, so I think it would be exaggerating to say you can get high anywhere with it. I wouldn't use it indoors if there were people around that you didn't want to know what you were doing...

 

[euph0ric1]

Would you pax masters say the pax is for me

It certainly gets the job done anywhere, very quickly. Click on, enjoy, click off. It stays cool even after heavy use (except right on the bottom) so its easy to just throw in the pocket afterwards.

As far as smell, in my experience it is only an issue while the herb is being cooked. When it cools down it doesnt seem to be a problem. But, to be safe, I have a simple air-tight pocket capsule I store it in with no problems.

I love the Pax. Not only is it the stealthiest, simplest, most durable portable dry herb vape.. But the greatest and most surprising thing I've learned about it since I got it months ago has been the efficiency. People will talk all day about how "conduction wastes herb".. And in theory that may be true since it continuously heats even while not drawing from it.. But the Pax seems to be specially designed to handle this super efficiently. I believe it has to do with the fact that the heat source is above the oven, and only when you draw from it does the bulk of the vapor get produced.

I swear, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels almost like a convection process; whereas the air you circulate activates the vapor extraction. If this werent the case, then wouldnt a constant stream of vapor be flowing out of the mouthpiece? The only vapor I see from this beautiful little vaporizer is coming from my exhale. With a full oven, and multiple stir/pack-downs, I've been getting 3 to 4 full sessions per day. (10-15 draws per session).. Which is ridiculously more efficient than combusting the same load in a pipe or bong.

 

[Sveeny]

Hey guys! I'm from Europe and I've just ordered a PAX from ebay for around 200 bucks (can't remember exactly). The seller is located in California and states that his pax is 100% legit.

After receiving it I was convinced that mine must be the real deal but I have still very small doubts because I just don't want it to be a danger to my health and I often read that "every item sold on ebay is a fake"...

What do you guys think:

The things that tell me it's a real pax:

- General: I have seen every comparison (pics and videos on the whole internet) and mine looks 100% like the real thing in every aspect.
- I can charge it with the mouthpiece in
- It has a 9V charger
- It has the brand new Simon game and Party mode
- It came with mouthpiece lubricant
- All the packaging and accessories look 100% geniuine if I compare it with pics on the internet
- It works like a charm
- All light colors etc. are authentic.
- The seller on ebay has thousands of sold items and 99.6% positive feedback. He already sold the Pax a year ago when it was very very easy to find out wether the item is genuine or not and he still only had good feedback...

Things that make me have doubts:
- The screen was a little bent when I first opened the device
- I read often that all the items from ebay are fakes
- Ploom doesn't want "unauthorized dealers" to sell it which makes me ask how anybody could sell the device below 250 bucks...

So what do you guys think? Are there fakes that perfect that even have the simon game and are impossible to tell apart from the original thing around? Or are people who say that everything off ebay is fake just not right...

As I said I have seen every picture and video comparison on the internet. You don't need to show them to me. I just want to know wether anybody knows something about "the perfect fake".

 

[SlinginPaint]

Hey guys! I'm from Europe and I've just ordered a PAX from ebay for around 200 bucks (can't remember exactly). The seller is located in California and states that his pax is 100% legit.

After receiving it I was convinced that mine must be the real deal but I have still very small doubts because I just don't want it to be a danger to my health and I often read that "every item sold on ebay is a fake"...

What do you guys think:

The things that tell me it's a real pax:

- General: I have seen every comparison (pics and videos on the whole internet) and mine looks 100% like the real thing in every aspect.
- I can charge it with the mouthpiece in
- It has a 9V charger
- It has the brand new Simon game and Party mode
- It came with mouthpiece lubricant
- All the packaging and accessories look 100% geniuine if I compare it with pics on the internet
- It works like a charm
- All light colors etc. are authentic.
- The seller on ebay has thousands of sold items and 99.6% positive feedback. He already sold the Pax a year ago when it was very very easy to find out wether the item is genuine or not and he still only had good feedback...

Things that make me have doubts:
- The screen was a little bent when I first opened the device
- I read often that all the items from ebay are fakes
- Ploom doesn't want "unauthorized dealers" to sell it which makes me ask how anybody could sell the device below 250 bucks...

So what do you guys think? Are there fakes that perfect that even have the simon game and are impossible to tell apart from the original thing around? Or are people who say that everything off ebay is fake just not right...

As I said I have seen every picture and video comparison on the internet. You don't need to show them to me. I just want to know wether anybody knows something about "the perfect fake".

(FAKE) - Is the texture on the outside of the unit linear-striations (faint lines)?

OR

(REAL) - Is the texture smooth like anodized aluminum?

 

[Sveeny]

(FAKE) - Is the texture on the outside of the unit linear-striations (faint lines)?

OR

(REAL) - Is the texture smooth like anodized aluminum?

Thanks for your reply. The Texture is smooth like anodized aluminum. As I said I've compared such details for hours, even the distance between the letters and the font used etc. It looks 100.0000% like the real deal in every single aspect.

 

[PPN]

Mine got the smooth texture but I bought it as a fake.....
It got a serial number too....
But no lubricant and not the good lights (green, orange and red)

I hope for the price you got a real one!

 

[pakalolo]

It certainly gets the job done anywhere, very quickly. Click on, enjoy, click off. It stays cool even after heavy use (except right on the bottom) so its easy to just throw in the pocket afterwards.

As far as smell, in my experience it is only an issue while the herb is being cooked. When it cools down it doesnt seem to be a problem. But, to be safe, I have a simple air-tight pocket capsule I store it in with no problems.

I love the Pax. Not only is it the stealthiest, simplest, most durable portable dry herb vape.. But the greatest and most surprising thing I've learned about it since I got it months ago has been the efficiency. People will talk all day about how "conduction wastes herb".. And in theory that may be true since it continuously heats even while not drawing from it.. But the Pax seems to be specially designed to handle this super efficiently. I believe it has to do with the fact that the heat source is above the oven, and only when you draw from it does the bulk of the vapor get produced.

I swear, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels almost like a convection process; whereas the air you circulate activates the vapor extraction. If this werent the case, then wouldnt a constant stream of vapor be flowing out of the mouthpiece? The only vapor I see from this beautiful little vaporizer is coming from my exhale. With a full oven, and multiple stir/pack-downs, I've been getting 3 to 4 full sessions per day. (10-15 draws per session).. Which is ridiculously more efficient than combusting the same load in a pipe or bong.

If you examine the airflow for the Pax you will see that it can't be a convection device. Convection requires the air to be heated before it reaches the load. The heater is not above the oven, it is wrapped around it, and even if it were that would place it after the air passes through the load and not before so it still wouldn't be convection.

There is in fact a stream of vapour escaping from the Pax while its on. It's thin and wispy but you can see it under the right lighting.

 

[jediknight]

Busted Mouthpiece:

my pax got knocked over accidentally and the mouthpiece came apart...plastic lid, rubber glue thing that connects the lid to the metal piece that goes with the oven, and the two magnets.

i was able to reconnect everything so that the lid secures back onto the pax, any idea if the the oven will heat the glue up too much? or if there's another glue i can use to re-secure everything back in place? I don't want melted glue fumes in my vapor...

 

[blasto2236]

So I read the first 100 pages of this thread after buying a brand new Pax, and it's been very helpful in learning all the tricks of the trade. I am relatively new to exclusively vaping (about 1 month in, had my Pax for 2 weeks), and this thread inspired me to create an account and become a part of the community.

Sorry if this has been covered, but has anyone here submitted a testimonial on Ploom's website? I did, and was surprised to have their customer service contact me and offer to send me a shirt and other goodies for my kind words! I'm sure they won't be able to keep it up if they get flooded with hundreds of testimonials, but I thought it was a really neat thing to do for their customers. I was already a diehard Pax evangelist, and they just solidified my brand loyalty even further.

Also, was really glad I scanned this final page (still working my way through the remaining 300+ pages, lol) and learned about Simon Mode! How neat. This thing is one of the absolute best products I've ever owned. I also quit smoking cigarettes and went with e-cigs around the same time I bought the Pax. Now that I'm living a smokeless lifestyle, I feel so much better! I'm breathing clearly and have so much more energy now that I'm not easily running out of breath. Has anyone here used the Ploom ModelTwo? I wonder what the health ramifications of vaping tobacco vs. e-liquid are? I'm going to order some Blend X for my PAX and try it once or twice, if I enjoy it I may buy a ModelTwo.

I would also be interested in an answer to the question above about how the Pax handles switching between tobacco and herbs. I'd love to vape a tobacco bowl after each cleaning and pack it full of Blend X when out and about so there's no hassle from law enforcement, etc. But I wouldn't risk it if it's going to mix poorly with the herb or cause a major impact on flavor. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sorry for a super long first post. I am very grateful for this community, which has helped me learn my new device inside and out (literally!) and am proud to say FUCK COMBUSTION!

 

[Shadowdjinni]

Has anyone here used the Ploom ModelTwo? I wonder what the health ramifications of vaping tobacco vs. e-liquid are? I'm going to order some Blend X for my PAX and try it once or twice, if I enjoy it I may buy a ModelTwo.

Wondering the same thing myself (see first post on this page). Hopefully you end up taking the plunge on it. My girlfriend is on the fence atm; basically she doesn't have the cash it would take to pony up for one (since you gotta go above 65 for that free shipping). Model Two did just win SXSW's reddot award or w/e (says Ploom's e-mail I received from them) which is best international product or something.

 

[Barack The Barbarian]

hi everybody i have a question or two about my pax, i've noticed lately it creates vapor even with an empty oven. it doesn't create a strong smell but even when i take the screen off and the oven is heating vapor will be made. i just wonder where the heck that vapor is coming from. i've noticed lately my hits have been getting much thicker and stronger even on lowest temp also, but this could be because ive lately had different material to work with. as far as i know there is no bad taste or anything.

also would it be safe to use this nail like poker stick to scrape off resin off the screen? i got it from my da buddha vape, but i worry its cause small bits of metal to flake off the screen when i do that. it could just be shiny resin though.

- paranoid hypochondriac that needs assurance

 

[nihil]

hi everybody i have a question or two about my pax, i've noticed lately it creates vapor even with an empty oven.

Have you cleaned it? The pipe/stem? It sounds like there is a resin buildup in the pipe. I sometimes have to run a straightened paperclip through mine first, then a pipe cleaner. The paperclip will knock out gobs of resin at times, clearing the tube for the pipe cleaner.

 

[Lo]

I'd second Nihil's suggestion about cleaning. It's possible vapor could be coming from resin leftover.

A pipecleaner lightly dampened with ISO run the through the tube well. A slightly dampened paper towel can be pushed around the oven with a pair of hemostats or the likes. The oven door can be wiped with ISO. The mouthpiece and screen can be soaked/scrubbed/rinsed. I like to give the screen (and oven sometimes) a once over with a magic eraser to make it look like brand new...then clean to remove any leftover bits of the eraser.

If it still produces vapor after a thorough cleaning I'd be surprised.... and wondering if it was in need of repair.

Good luck Ploom does offer good support if a cleaning doesn't solve the issue.