Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

[cosmicgase]

First off, this thread is awesome and I've been reading it a lot. Had my Pax for almost 6 months now and it's just amazing. Serious question though, does anyone use the Pax to smoke regular tobacco out of? If so, what do you use aside from Blend X? Just looking for some new flavors to try. Thanks

 

[euph0ric1]

@Resinberg, I regularly use Pax twice, maybe three times a day, and from click-on to click-off is about 5-7 minutes, but a session can be quicker, or longer than that. A half-packed oven with a rolled up screen lasts me two solid sessions with 1 stir in between. The battery life is ridiculously long, and I love that you can use it with no loss in heat or performance as the battery drains. I've been told its good to vape some sessions when the batt goes yellow, and not charge it instantly to go back to green. It is Lithium-Ion, yeah?


@cosmicgase, Pax is great with tobacco, but it has to be the right condition. Treat it the same as cannabis. Pax likes dry and fine herb, same with tobacco. I have not tried Blend X, but I have successfully played around with one blend of pipe tobacco and some other herbs (Damiana, Raspberry, Calea Z, Spearmint, and a mixture of others). These all had different ideal vaping temps and I had to experiment as to not overheat.

Pax does NOT like moisture.. Such as hookah tobacco, hash oil, or even some moist pipe tobaccos. But if the tobacco is dried, and consistently ground, it will vape like a champ. The pipe tobaccos usually like the low temp. But, as a warning though, the pipe tobacco taste did not leave my Pax for several days.. It took 3 cleaning cycles and nearly a dozen cannabis sessions.

So, while can Pax can do other herbal materials.. It seems the happiest and at peak performance with a certain special herb

 

[masaki]

What's your guys favorite Pax color?!

 

[btka]

@Resinberg: i am owning the pax for one week now... my plan was to use the pax when i am not at home... and it works great for me... but at home i am using my volcano because i find it is more efficient, tastes better and needs less maintenance then the pax... but if the pax would taste better and you would use the same amount as in the volcano i would use maybe only the pax... clouds are really nice i have to say...

by the way i cleaned my pax... but under the screen in one corner of the oven there are brown parts... which i can t get rid of by cleaning with q tip, pipe cleaner and iso... i have heard people are using magic earaser or steel wool is that a good idea to use or is it needless... (steel wool --> scratches in oven? magic eareser --> maybe toxic?)

and how often are you cleaning your pax?

@masaki: onyx black

 

[Shadowdjinni]

Going through the warranty process at the moment. I actually paid only 200 for it, from a local tobacco shop (which I do not think is an authorized retailer). The Pax is 100 legit and has a valid serial number.

Anyways, there has been a charging issue where it only charges (either with the charger on top or it resting on the charger) when the Pax is placed a certain direction. On top of this, it only lasts for 1.66 sessions instead of 3.33 with only almost a year of age. If I use it for .33-1 session, then place it on the charger, it thinks it has to fully charge (an hour) and if it is not allowed to, it thinks it's dead (no matter how little battery has been used).

Long story short, after talking with them on the phone, if they cannot repair it they said they would send me a new one (even a different color).

This company is so legit.

 

[spacelooper]

I am a new, and struggling, Pax user. I was out of town doing a show over the weekend and my Arizer Solo wouldn't charge. Of course this happened the morning of my show. None of the Vape stores carried the Solo (why is this?) so I was forced with the Pax. I bought it on Saturday and have yet to get decent hits from it. To me it is no comparison to the Solo. It is very stealthy but have yet to get it to perform. I have ground my material very fine, I have packed the oven full and tight, I have packed it half full and rolled a screen and put on top etc etc. The lubricant and those wasteful packets are a joke. it is like a slap in the face from ploom for spending 250 on this thing.
Are there guys out there who own both the Solo and the Pax that would have some advice? I can see a couple of instances where the Pax might be handy if it worked, I would like to have at least enough success with it to be able to use it in those situations.

 

[Beaunaire]

It works well for me but it took me a while to get my routine down. I use a Vape Tool mini tool, which is just a bent piece of metal but it works perfectly for tamping and stirring. I grind up .4 grams of contraband in a hand grinder. I prefer to let that sit for a few hours if possible. I take half up that (.2 grams) and pack it into my Pax. It fills it up pretty much to the edge of the oven and I tamp it down with the tool. You can certainly use something else, even the side of the lid works. I set the temperature control on yellow/low. I do four or five hits. You may not see anything depending on the variety of what you put in there but it's working. Time to give it stir, flip the little brick if possible. Tamp it down, heat it up and repeat. It's usually a bit stronger after the first time. I do this three or four times and then kick the temperature up, eventually working my way to red/high. These last few blasts are really strong but they're also the ones that affect my breathing the worst. If you want it stronger you can start with a higher temperature setting. Hit on it very slowly and be aware that it takes a little longer than combustion to feel results. It has kept my tolerance and consumption rate very low. Maybe it's not the right portable vape for you. A friend of mine has a Da Vinci which I like a lot but he complains about short battery cycles.

 

[euph0ric1]

@spacelooper , I don't personally know what the draw method is on the Solo... But with the Pax, you should take slow, gentle micro hits and gradually fill your lungs on the draw. Almost like puffing a cigar, only you inhale. Pax is not best for directly pulling all in one hit. You should sip from it, so the oven can maintain its heat and extraction. If done correctly you should be getting consistent, lung-filling hits every time.

 

[pakalolo]

I am a new, and struggling, Pax user. I was out of town doing a show over the weekend and my Arizer Solo wouldn't charge. Of course this happened the morning of my show. None of the Vape stores carried the Solo (why is this?) so I was forced with the Pax. I bought it on Saturday and have yet to get decent hits from it. To me it is no comparison to the Solo. It is very stealthy but have yet to get it to perform. I have ground my material very fine, I have packed the oven full and tight, I have packed it half full and rolled a screen and put on top etc etc. The lubricant and those wasteful packets are a joke. it is like a slap in the face from ploom for spending 250 on this thing.
Are there guys out there who own both the Solo and the Pax that would have some advice? I can see a couple of instances where the Pax might be handy if it worked, I would like to have at least enough success with it to be able to use it in those situations.

I own both, and I think @euph0ric1 is right, you are pulling too hard. His micro-toke method is a good approach.

While there are things I don't like about my Pax, failure to perform has never been one of them. When I first got one I tried all sorts of loads, including just throwing in around .05 g without packing it down. They all produced decent vapour at all settings. You just need to get the technique right. Since you own a Solo, I would have expected you to already have a gentle pull, but maybe you're one of those who has evolved a harder-pulling way to use it.

 

[btka]

I am a new, and struggling, Pax user. I was out of town doing a show over the weekend and my Arizer Solo wouldn't charge. Of course this happened the morning of my show. None of the Vape stores carried the Solo (why is this?) so I was forced with the Pax. I bought it on Saturday and have yet to get decent hits from it. To me it is no comparison to the Solo. It is very stealthy but have yet to get it to perform. I have ground my material very fine, I have packed the oven full and tight, I have packed it half full and rolled a screen and put on top etc etc. The lubricant and those wasteful packets are a joke. it is like a slap in the face from ploom for spending 250 on this thing.
Are there guys out there who own both the Solo and the Pax that would have some advice? I can see a couple of instances where the Pax might be handy if it worked, I would like to have at least enough success with it to be able to use it in those situations.

first of are you sure you bought an original pax... there are a lot of fake ones... my pax works for me real good... its not the best tasting portable... but the clouds are good... you have to grind your herb very fine (i am using the mflb finishing ginder) and then i let dry the grinded herb for a while outside... then i am getting big fat visible clouds... i owned the solo for one night and can t remember... but i was very impressed with the clouds of the pax (after using some portables my expectations weren t as high and the pax defenitly exceeded my expectations...),,, but maybe your pax is broken i don t know...

 

[Resinberg]

thanks for the replies everyone I personally am using my pax only when I leave the house mainly while in the car

when I use it I usually let it run from 15-30 minutes before I turn it off so Im definitely getting it really hot especially while driving il set it on the seat while its still on sometimes and the sun hits it when I grab it its baking hot but I have never had any temp warning and it works perfectly fine even better when hot like this I figure hard use like this may make my pax break down sooner but im always so cautious with my stuff this time im just gonna use it and love it

 

[euph0ric1]

thanks for the replies everyone I personally am using my pax only when I leave the house mainly while in the car

when I use it I usually let it run from 15-30 minutes before I turn it off so Im definitely getting it really hot especially while driving il set it on the seat while its still on sometimes and the sun hits it when I grab it its baking hot but I have never had any temp warning and it works perfectly fine even better when hot like this I figure hard use like this may make my pax break down sooner but im always so cautious with my stuff this time im just gonna use it and love it

I'm pretty sure it's okay to run it for long sessions like that, as far as I know. Especially if you're not getting a temp light warning. Mine gets hotter usually on my second session with the same oven-load, but never too hot to hold, and it cools down quickly. One thing to be cautious of, is during and at the end of a session, try to keep the Pax as upright as possible so any resins don't leak their way up the tube and into the mouthpiece.

 

[Shootthemoon]

For what its worth, i sent my pax back to ploom to find out that its a counterfeit. Paid 250 bucks at the store and the box looked legit. But it aint.

Store owner says he'll do a refund, but since mine isnt working, "we'll see," he says.


I wonder what my recourse is. Can i take him to small claims court? Im kinda pissed.

 

[Skramyrral]

Hi
I have a problem with my Pax. After a good cleaning, I was still having a problem with the temp light not shutting off. I lubed the mouth piece good. Now it won't turn on. And when I put it on the charger, it just flashes the temp colors and the temp button does not light up. What to do?

 

[spacelooper]

Thanks for the replies. The puff method definitely gets better results... and I'm not sure where I ran across the rolled up screen trick but that has given the best results as well. In fact I haven't had very good results without the screen. It takes an awful lot of material to actually fill the oven and then I don't feel it performs as well as with the screen. Do others experience this? I also find that I have to stir the the material in the oven after a few hits and then again etc to get the most out of the bowl... something I didn't have to do with the Solo. I definitely feel like the Solo is much more efficient with the material. I am at least finally able to coax out some decent hits, so I can use the Pax in those few stealth situations where the Solo isn't as practical.....in the mean time.... practice makes perfect....

 

[GraffiX]

Thanks for the replies. The puff method definitely gets better results... and I'm not sure where I ran across the rolled up screen trick but that has given the best results as well. In fact I haven't had very good results without the screen. It takes an awful lot of material to actually fill the oven and then I don't feel it performs as well as with the screen. Do others experience this? I also find that I have to stir the the material in the oven after a few hits and then again etc to get the most out of the bowl... something I didn't have to do with the Solo. I definitely feel like the Solo is much more efficient with the material. I am at least finally able to coax out some decent hits, so I can use the Pax in those few stealth situations where the Solo isn't as practical.....in the mean time.... practice makes perfect....

(disclaimer: I know text can often be misleading, but I want to assure all that I'm in NO WAY indicating that anyone's wrong, or has shitty herb, etc. It's just discussion in hopes of maybe helping those who seem to be having some of these similar problems. I'm not that kind of guy, and I only seek to further the discussion and hopefully get to the point where I can maybe help in some way at least to identify the issue so you can enjoy your Pax to it's fullest! )

Heya spacelooper,

You're certainly not the first post I've seen in this thread regarding the Pax and:

- Taste, or lack thereof/not good/etc
- Clouds, or lack thereof

I don't doubt at all that some are having trouble, but honestly, I'm surprised and genuinely disappointed for you (not in you, for you!) as I have found the Pax near perfect and would love everyone to be as happy as I am with their Pax.

I am guessing that the lack of success for many with these issues comes down to the herb quality, the grind, and amount put in the oven. I base this statement on my own experiences with the Pax, and I'm extremely critical of my vapes (hell, about everything, just the way I'm wired I guess). If there's an issue, I am the first to say "this sucks!". However, my Pax experience has been so fairy tale amazing and completely 100% satisfying in every way that I'm genuinely surprised when I hear of those issues and feel terrible that some are having it, because in my experience, the Pax is damn near perfect in every way, especially when compared to some other portable vapes I own and/or have tried.

The Pax the first portable vape that has given me such amazing clouds of vapor that I have to be careful not to hit it too hard or too much (and I'm an old guy, been puffin' for over 35 years now!) because the clouds are enormous. I also find that the taste of the clouds are absolutely amazing, clean, and super tasty!

So, then, we have to get to the bottom of why is my experience different from yours or others that are having the troubles you mention!

Assuming a few control variables, there are only a finite number of issues left. Those controls are:

- We are both using a true Pax, and not a knockoff. I purchased mine both from Ploom directly.
- We are both using a clean Pax with no build up or other issues.

Assuming the 2 items above hold true for you, we have temperature left, so let's eliminate the last variable of the Pax itself. I always vape on Medium, no exceptions. If you want to compare notes, try using just Medium setting for the next oven if you're not already. That will eliminate the Pax from the equation aside from a temperature malfunction or variance.

Where I'm going is that the next variables that come into play are significant to define the experience: The herb itself, and how it's ground and packed.

How one hits the device also comes into play, but honestly I was hitting mine last night thinking about this very issue and I don't really do "micro-puffs" as much as I draw a mouthful and then inhale it, like drinking through a straw. I counted 4 of these and I had full lungs.

The taste is absolutely amazing and definitely on par with the Volcano (which I use and have owned since they were introduced). The clouds are almost ridiculously thick, hard to believe it's vapor. But it is, and after 5-6 hits, the oven pack is golden brown and delicious...a nutty, roasted smell in a nice little loaf that comes out, slightly more brown toward the base. No carbon whatsoever though.

I also give it a moment when it reaches temp (goes from purple to green), maybe 15 seconds or so, and when I'm hitting it I make sure it is green as well and hasn't gone into standby (blue).

I have an earlier post in this thread where I go in depth regarding this issue, describing my herb (a constant), what grind I use, how much I use per oven load, and how I pack my loads.

You can find that post earlier in this thread here:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/pax-vaporizer-by-ploom.6223/page-426#post-520215

There is a LOT of info in that post, including pictures, where I share what I do and how I do it, and I'm so beyond satisfied with the Pax I can't imagine life without it.

I hope maybe some of the above info helps out those who aren't fully satisfied with the results of the Pax. I am in no way affiliated with Ploom or Pax, I am just so elated with the Pax and how well it's served me to this point that I hope I can help those who aren't getting that experience to maybe improve it, or at least get to the bottom of why the issues are taking place. For me, the Pax has exceeded every single one of my expectations. I still look over at my wife and exclaim "Can you believe it's been over 8 months since I combusted??!?", because when I bought this device I had absolutely no intention of stopping combustion, it just happened!!! The satisfaction factor is off the charts for me and I'll never go back. Hopefully those with issues can get to that point enjoying their own Paxs!

Kind vibes to all my brothers and sisters!

GraffiX

 

[Curiousone]

@spacelooper

I previously owned a Solo and actually sold it once I got used to the Pax. I honestly struggled to get good results with the Pax at first also and felt like I may have wasted my money. After 2 weeks or so, I was over the Solo.

I agree with you in terms of getting better results with a screen. I exclusively use a folded screen no matter how much material I pack. I also agree with a previous poster that quality of material matters and use micro hits (cigar puffs). Crap, almost forgot to mention this...when using the additional screen, make sure the oven lid is fully seated. If it is not fully attached it affects performance, ime. (sometimes the extra screen prevents from closing all the way) Pack tightly and you shouldn't have to stir. I never have to stir and get consistent browning throughout the load (except for a very small amount near the oven door)

Other than that, after 5 months of use, I am completely happy with my choice for portable vape. I use it about once and day on average (more on the weekends if out and about) and only have to clean it once every 1.5-2 weeks. 2 weeks is pushing it, but it functions. I love it. Give it time and you will find the best method. I think you too will love it.

 

[GraffiX]

For what its worth, i sent my pax back to ploom to find out that its a counterfeit. Paid 250 bucks at the store and the box looked legit. But it aint.

Store owner says he'll do a refund, but since mine isnt working, "we'll see," he says.


I wonder what my recourse is. Can i take him to small claims court? Im kinda pissed.

The guy is selling what he now knows to be counterfeit goods, and he's playing the "we'll see" game with you on a refund? Are you serious?

Depending on the laws where you live (does your state have medical cannabis, and do you have a card? Are you in CO or WA where it's legal? i.e. you probably don't want to do this is Tinytown, TX or somewhere they can throw you in jail for possession, etc) you can certainly take him to small claims court, and you can do all sorts of other crap including contacting the D.A., the BBB, and even request Ploom contact this guy directly with a "nastygram" and have them send you a copy for your own reference.

Before I went and did all that over $250 though, I'd go back to this clown with a positive attitude, but be firm in your conviction that he sold you a counterfeit product, and along with it, a counterfeit warranty, so whether or not the item is still working is irrelevant. Remind him that Ploom has already identified the item as a counterfeit. Remind him you spent money and time to send it and find that out from Ploom directly, and insist that you get your money back in full. Let him know that as far as your concerned, you get a full refund, he gets his counterfeit product back, that will be the end of it.

If he gets shitty with you, you can start throwing out cards as you see fit, but I'd try the face-to-face, positive friendly logical approach first and see how it goes.

Good luck brother.

 

[Shootthemoon]

^ hey thanks a lot for that. ill take your advice with me.

as far as the law goes, the product was sold in a store where canabis is not legal. but the talk of canabis doesnt have to factor anywhere into the discussion, no? i mean, could the store owner have some sort of angle on me saying he will test the device, thus putting me in a position to have some residue make me have bigger issues than $250?

i want to be positive, but i also want to assume the guy is going to say no. i will go there with a letter of intent demanding to be paid. ill be happy and nice, and not show him until i think he wont budge. i dont want to go down there and just walk out. i have to assume he will be a dick. if not, and hes cool, then good. but if hes a jerk, i want him to get the letter (which would help in case i want to sue him) but all in all, the product was sold at a store here, which was legal to do. does canabis have to factor into any of this? i mean, are devices tested if they are put up to a challenge like this in small claims court?

 

[GraffiX]

^ hey thanks a lot for that. ill take your advice with me.

as far as the law goes, the product was sold in a store where canabis is not legal. but the talk of canabis doesnt have to factor anywhere into the discussion, no? i mean, could the store owner have some sort of angle on me saying he will test the device, thus putting me in a position to have some residue make me have bigger issues than $250?

i want to be positive, but i also want to assume the guy is going to say no. i will go there with a letter of intent demanding to be paid. ill be happy and nice, and not show him until i think he wont budge. i dont want to go down there and just walk out. i have to assume he will be a dick. if not, and hes cool, then good. but if hes a jerk, i want him to get the letter (which would help in case i want to sue him) but all in all, the product was sold at a store here, which was legal to do. does canabis have to factor into any of this? i mean, are devices tested if they are put up to a challenge like this in small claims court?

No worries, I was shocked to read that he's giving you a "we'll see" attitude after the fact.

It's what I call "being the passenger". Two people in a car, passenger farts, says "I didn't do it". Immediately, regardless of anything that's said, both occupants know:

- Who farted
- Passenger is a liar

When you go in to speak with this guy, you both know up front that he's a liar, that he sold you a counterfeit item, and that the contract you had between you as a buyer/seller is null and void.

You bought the item with the understanding that it was a legitimate Ploom item. It is not, and he now knows it. Therefore, the contract is void and you both need to be put back to the position you were in before the deal.

Regarding the cannabis issue, the reason I bring that up is because, while $250 is nothing to sneeze at, it is also a drop in the bucket when the police are brought into the fray and suddenly you're facing a possession charge.

If there's residue in that thing, ANY residue that a chem test would show positive for THC on, then you MAY get your money back, and hand it right over for bail, fine, maybe do time, and maybe get a record. None of that is worth $250. This sort of limits your (rational) options.

Calling the DA to complain that a guy sold you a counterfeit device and won't refund your money? No big deal...until he asks what the device is and where you bought it. Suddenly the DA has some "juicy info" and may just want to share it with the local PD.

So, even this guy is a dick, he's also had time to think about it, to think about his dirty deed, think about him being found out by you, and that you've confirmation from a manufacturer that he is selling counterfeit products. The last thing this guy wants is for you to bring in some heat to start turning over his books, looking at his other products, and generally making his life miserable.

This is why I suggested that you try the "nice but firm" approach. Let him know up front it's counterfeit, he sold it to you as if it were a true brand name Ploom (the price further supports this), and given that his counterfeit item failed, the warranty you also paid for in the purchase price isn't valid leaving you stuck with a problem he caused.

Keep it friendly and straight forward, but really, honestly, if herb is not legal where you are, take a deep breath and consider what "being a dick" back to him may bring down if things get nasty....you play a card, he plays a card, the police are brought to bear, and guaranteed that they'll be thrilled to "give a couple of stoners what they've got coming due".

Weigh your options carefully, and try to win him over with a friendly, relaxed, non-threatening disposition. Explain your case logically and simply in a few lines.

If he goes full dick on you, I'm not at all saying let it be if he doesn't pay up, but your BEST option is to get him to just acquiesce to the initial non-threatening, logical discussion and get your money in full right there, so put your efforts into that to get him to "see the light".

If it goes further, then you really have to carefully consider what what your next course of action will be. How will this "evidence" be viewed in a court case, who will see it, how you'll explain your case (Your Honor, this vaporization device will not vaporize cannabis), or explain even what the item is for. You bought it in a head shop. The likelihood that you will get off without a raised eyebrow at "I bought it to vape tobacco" will be slim and none.

Anyhow, I hope that helps clarify my thoughts for you, and I truly wish you all the best brother! No matter how you approach this, or how it turns out, please come back and let us all know how you fared.

Best wishes and positive energy coming your way brother, good luck!

GraffiX

 

[VapeMan980]

Hey guys,

Just ordered a Pax today. I have the Solo and love it but once I saw a video of the Pax I knew it was for me. I'm a looks person so it's the obvious choice. I love the Solo but having it lay around - it looks almost like a crack pipe with the glass stems.. I am living with my parents right now (SUCKS) to save up some cash so that's a problem.

My question is this. I understand the Pax smells more than the Solo? If I'm in my room and my parents are down stairs and I'm hitting the Pax, what are the chances they'll smell it? With the Solo as long as I blow it out the window and only do say a 6 minute session I'm usually fine.

Thanks..

 

[Shootthemoon]

thanks a lot for taking time to write that graffix. man do i appreciate that. i hadnt even considered the fact that he might call that card. i would think it silly, some kind of clown court, for them to inspect residue, but hell you never know, and a pissed off store owner can call whatever card hes capable of. i know hes capable of selling fakes. so why not a diskish move to push back? and of that, its a silly thing no, to ask him what his angle on it is, when i speak to him. theres no excuse. either he bought them cheaper and marked it up to the retail price, or he was really unknowingly a part of his own distributors scam. i reckon he bought them at a discounted price, evidenced by his own store clerk's knowledge that some of the paxes didnt come with lube in the boxes. there were "two kinds of boxes...some with lube and some without" i dont know if they even had some 'with' but mine was without and it wasnt a coincidence that it was a fake. so he dealt with this before and kept on selling them. so yeah, he might be a lot defensive about it if i threaten him with small claims court. and for what its worth, i dont think thats a matter for the district attorney. small claims is small claims. the paperwork might be processed there, but for him to challenge the device itself, and get the court or police to run a test on it, there would have to be some kind of criminal complaint no? like that kind of testing and such isnt just sitting around. so what im saying is that maybe i can push back with suing him, but be aware that in doing so, he may have that card. why this matters is because if he relents and wants to give me less money, a good card to pull from me, is handing him paperwork, the kind of letter you give someone right before you file to sue. in that way, he knows im totally serious about getting compensated. i think this is a kind of negotiating tactic id like to do, if all fails. like go in, and not even bring that up, until or if, he says no. id like to be able to ratchet it up one more notch before walking out, just to try. i can always pull out (pardon the pun) whenever i want, at least before court anyways. i can act ignorant of the device's resin or lack thereof, and that might help sell the bluff that i want to push this. jesus i hope hes not reading this! lol.

thanks for the heads up. in light of being exposed like that, to a penalty, 250 is merely a lesson to learn. so the caution is well heeded. in this case, the big lesson for me is to be more savvy about where i buy my products. i bought the pax on a whim because there wasnt any better in the store at the time. so i got it and its a bit too expensive for that kind of impulse buy. at the time, it looked legit and the box and all. so i guess i got duped. its funny too, ive lived abroad for many years, and consider myself clever about knowing whats a knock off. ive seen so many fake goods sold on the street. i come back home and get sucker punched in the gut so to speak. (shakes fist in air) aaaaamericaaans!

thanks again. this forum is awash in really helpful, sage members. come for the pot brownie recipes, stay for the life advice!

 

[Tricuspid]

Can you guys tell if this product is fake or not?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ele/4482811255.html

it really looks legit the only "give away" was he mentioned "I have a brand new Pax manufactured by an alternative party" and the 130$ price tag.


the finish looks the same as the real one and even the cleaning package looks real.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

Can you guys tell if this product is fake or not?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ele/4482811255.html

it really looks legit the only "give away" was he mentioned "I have a brand new Pax manufactured by an alternative party" and the 130$ price tag.


the finish looks the same as the real one and even the cleaning package looks real.

Alternate party?? Fake -no warranty if something goes wrong. Ploom really does honor it's 10 year warranty.

I've had mine for 2 years now. Mouthpiece needs replacing-Ploom just sends one-they've sent me 2 . Charger died-Ploom just sends one and tells me if it isn't the charger , they'll send a envelope and change the battery for me.

There's a reason they cost $250. They will replace anything that may go wrong for 10 years. There is no other battery operated vape on the market with that kind of warranty that i know of.

 

[btka]

@GraffiX ... yesterday i tried not to pack the oven to tight... as you recommend... is it possible that this effects taste (slightly positiv)... but on the other hand the draw resistence was much more lower then a tight packked oven but also the mouthpeace gets hotter (no effects on superb vapour clouds production)... thats my observation on this.... maybe its helpfull for some... but are there maybe other tricks to get better taste of vapour... because that is the only drawback i have... by not good taste it doesn t mean its tasting awfully... but my cera and volcano are tasting better you even can say which herb you smoke...