Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

[TommydCat]

Hey everyone - got an obnoxious question to ask. I've seen several posts mentioning how a really clean Pax can usually be packed into luggage with no problem. But...is it even possible to hide some 'flower' either in luggage or on myself or is that just absolutely insane to think about in this day and age?

Edit: I'm referring to an airplane flight & getting thru security.

Hey Mollee!

First off, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not your lawyer and this isn't legal advice

Unfortunately, there's no "honor" between the TSA and airports in MMJ or recreational states in that the TSA will overlook stuff because it happens to be legal in that state. That said, no matter what a TSA worker (they do not meet the technical criteria of "agent" or "officer") tells you, they cannot arrest you - in fact, their only recourse is civil with one exception...

So what gives them the power to stop you? Actually, really nothing. Kinda like the door checkers at Fry's - I've had them yell at me and follow out to the parking lot. (Petty thing, but this system is actually to prevent theft by their employees, not their customers and I take exception to it).

So.. wtf?

They can call in the local police who have plenty of officers available at each port (the second part of "air port"). They say "that guy shouldn't be in the terminal" and the police will remove you. They find you doing something illegal or what-no, they'll turn you over to the local police.

If they find an illegal substance (to their legal standard and if they care), but it's not considered illegal to the officers, the most they can do it not allow you entrance to the terminal. From what I've heard from just a few others' experience, the supervisors at a TSA checkpoint will try to detain you for a bit before calling the cops to make it seems like a much bigger thing (with scare tactics, etc.).

They cannot arrest you, they cannot detain you. They can tell the cops on you. They can file charges against you.

So.. if tattling can't get you in trouble, I wouldn't worry. If it can, (an "unfriendly" state), I would worry. The police in WA seems to know the difference between a patient's medicine and the really bad stuff and, if called in, will likely recommend you surrender your medicine to them so you can continue or take it back home. (Unlike other items, technically it's not legal to use the Federal Post to mail it to yourself)

Long-winded? Yeah... Bored? Yeah... but I take my rights seriously.

and of course... your mileage may vary

 

[mollee]

Hey Mollee!
*snip*
So.. if tattling can't get you in trouble, I wouldn't worry. If it can, (an "unfriendly" state), I would worry. The police in WA seems to know the difference between a patient's medicine and the really bad stuff and, if called in, will likely recommend you surrender your medicine to them so you can continue or take it back home. (Unlike other items, technically it's not legal to use the Federal Post to mail it to yourself)...

and of course... your mileage may vary

Hi Tommy, thanks so much for your response! You've given me lots of info about my questions.

I am wondering if it might be better to wrap everything in a nicely packaged box (flower triple-bagged & put in a full peanut butter jar) and send it to the hotel ahead of time.

Dammit, this all sucks! It's time for full legalization for adults in all states!!

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

A "Paxamonial"
I have never used my Pax on a High setting for a session.
I also have never gone low...
I tried medium on day one and liked it.

The other day a loaded Pax in my pocket "untethered" it's lid, and I did not know..... I kept thinking it peculiar that I was getting whifs here and there....
I also a few times thought .."how funny my pocket feels so warm.
All at once I realized there was a really hot Pax in my pocket, and I got it shut and when I got home I emptied it out... (dark DARK ass ABV), and cleaned it EXTRA well due to fact
that load cooked fully in there with no air flow... so I feared "sticky city" in the secert parts and passageways.
I cleaned it up real well, and today was using Pax on a Post office run.
Mind you I did not know that I had inadvertently set my Pax to high.

Driving... taking a few seconds longer to go green.....
I did a hit and burst forth a cloud.
I got the foggiest session I could have asked for, and only when FULLY medicated did I stop and think about the fact that my vape may have been on high...
I have it set back to medium now, and will leave it there...
But with fond adoration I will remember that surprising road trip, and I will tell Pax doubters to try it out on high once before moving on to the next vape..
Good thick hits.

haha that sucks dude the magnets in the lid probably turned the pax on/changed the temp, I wonder how many times thats happened to customers. That must have been hilarious. When I first got a pax I went to the phone accessory store, I was looking for a case that would fit snug. I found one, but it had a magnet clasp, turned my pax on and brought it up to temp while I was sitting there trying cases. The oven was mostly roasted, still though...

 

[MolecularConcept]

Man magic erasers really are awesome for cleaning the ovens even the corners and crevices. I'm still on my original screen too

 

[Anders Nelson]

Hey Vito - I urge you to try the low setting just to see what it is all about. With a full oven packed tight but a not-so-fine grind I can get really large and tasty clouds on low as long as I give a little time between pulls. If you don't like it, really easy to go up to medium and finish off the load. Not like going up to high where there is no turning back!!

I used to love smoking only, and didnt like vaping just because I was sorta "accustomed" to the thick white hits... and a thin looking hit wasn't near to satisfying as milk. But to substitute that i always put it on its highest heat setting.

And i was also wondering, is it possible to clean a pax out with something else other than alcohol? like 70% iso hand sanitizer?

 

[Vapinghole]

Try cleaning your Pax while it's still hot. Using only a pipe cleaner and qtips. Works quite well.

A clean Pax is a happy Pax.

 

[Doctor.Who]

Here's my setup. Not smell proof but works great as a travel case.

Hey rsqemt911... where did you find that glass piece? Can you link it?

This is a great case. I just picked one up on Amazon.com. I also picked up a pair of brushes.

(Amazon:brushes) So I have my lubicant, brushes,

glass container (Glass Vials) Got the screw on because I felt it would hold in the smell better. and got my pipe cleaners and of course Pax. I would definitely recommend this case.

 

[SoCalShore]

Here's my setup. Not smell proof but works great as a travel case.

Hey rsqemt911... where did you find that glass piece? Can you link it?

Dude,

I never got around to it, but thanks for this suggestion. This is how I travel with my Pax. It's the best set up that I have tried. Instead of the glass vials, I use the gasket sealed pill cases (vial like) that you can get at the pharmacy. When I got through security, I keep my Pax with me (cleaned and empty, of course) and this set up with my herb and cleaning supplies are in my luggage that I check. It works perfectly.

Thanks again!

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/pax-vaporizer-by-ploom.6223/page-233#post-308587

 

[fogbank]

Hi Tommy, thanks so much for your response! You've given me lots of info about my questions.

I am wondering if it might be better to wrap everything in a nicely packaged box (flower triple-bagged & put in a full peanut butter jar) and send it to the hotel ahead of time.

Dammit, this all sucks! It's time for full legalization for adults in all states!!

Mollee,

Don't even entertain the idea of putting your herb in a jar of peanut butter. Completely pointless and way too much trouble. Drug dogs are not fooled by attempts to "mask" odor. And the peanut butter jar is overkill if you're trying to fool humans.

As far as the Pax is concerned, I do not believe you can remove 100% of the residue, even with the most thorough cleaning. But I believe you can get it clean enough to travel with sufficient peace of mind.

The only one of my vapes I will fly with is the Thermovape T1.

My advice - clean it as thoroughly as you can and put it in your checked luggage. Do not attempt to conceal it. Place it with other objects that it might seem to " fit in" with. The Pax could resemble a computer device, music player, phone accessory, etc... It would probably not look out of place in a toiletry bag/ case either.

They do x-ray checked luggage too, and they can tell the composition of materials in your bag by color coding on the image. If they see something that resembles a prohibited item they will search your bag.

So you can't really hide things from them, but you can hide what they really are. Hide them in plain sight!

So your Pax will show up as a metal object on the x-ray. It seems unlikely that it would be mistaken for a prohibited item. Other than that, they may also select your bag for a random search. In that case you rely on your "disguise".

I don't want to get into flying with illegal substances, but just remember that they can tell the composition of material when they look at the X-ray, including organic material (comes up green I believe). A big blob of green showing up in the toe of a shoe in your luggage would be an big red flag for the screener.

Anyway these are the facts as I understand them. I'm sure there are folks out there that could add more or offer corrections.

I think it's relatively safe to fly domestically with a thoroughly cleaned Pax.

 

[SoCalShore]

Hey everyone - got an obnoxious question to ask. I've seen several posts mentioning how a really clean Pax can usually be packed into luggage with no problem. But...is it even possible to hide some 'flower' either in luggage or on myself or is that just absolutely insane to think about in this day and age?

Edit: I'm referring to an airplane flight & getting thru security.

I have done it several times. If you want to chat, message me and I can give you my tips.. I have used different airlines and have done it the same with all of them. I can't tell for sure if the TSA or airline has checked my luggage but if you have a recommendation I would travel with it and put it where the investigators can see it easily. I usually have it on top of my clothing when they open the luggage and I travel with clean Pax on me, the herb in my checked luggage (only enough for the trip).

I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Ok, here is how I travel with Pax.

Please note, I am a medicinal patient with a recommendation from CA. I travel for business and coincindentally I have only traveled to states that are herb friendly. With that being said, this is how I have done it in the past and will still do it in the future.

I bring my very clean Pax with me in my messenger bag that I carry on the plane. Doing this with the thought that If they (TSA or the airline) decides to take it away, I want to know and witness that with my own eyes. Also, Pax is advertised to be used with tobacco, so in actuality I really don't think or feel that they would take a clean device away. I have had, during an inspection of my messenger bag, the agent actually hold the Pax and put it back to look what else might be in the pocket that the Pax was in. They ended up taking my laptop out and rescanning my laptop. That calmed my worries about my Pax being taken at the security check point. Also, that was my first flight with the Pax and I was already paranoid about traveling with it. I have since then taken many flights with it and the herb and have been successful.

Now, as far as the herb goes, I have a set up that almost mirrors "Dudenextdoor" with the exception that I carry 2 gasket sealed pill vials that you can easily get at the pharmacy (CVS, Wallgreens, RiteAid...where ever you might go) it takes care of the smell pretty well. I only carry enough for the trip. My thinking about this is that if they want to take it they can, I'm only out about $30.00 for the whole thing. I wouldn't mind opening up my luggage and not finding it. If I stored my Pax in it as well as the herb and they took it, I would be very dissapointed. No, I don't know if I have ever been searched, but like I said in the beginning of this story, I am a medicinal patient and if they were to open up my luggage the first thing they would see is my recommendation. If they wanted to investigate further, they would find that the amount that I have is just for personal use and not a party.

Do it at your own risk, but I think this is the smartest way to do it. I have not traveled to a state that is not herb friendly. Oh, and depending on the airline, they might list what you can and can not take on the plane in your checked luggage, check their website. If you want airline names, just message me and I would be glad to give you the particulars.

I am in no way telling you this is a fool proof method and I am not condoning traveling with herb. I will say, I believe that traveling with a very clean pax in your carry on luggage or a bag of some sort is ok.

Good Luck

Sorry for the double post mod, I could have sworn that my post was further up on the thread and I couldn't edit it.

mod note: Apology accepted. Two posts merged.

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

Man magic erasers really are awesome for cleaning the ovens even the corners and crevices. I'm still on my original screen too

heat and water works better than anything. Experiment a little, I promise you you'll be surprised. I used to use magic eraser for the inside of the oven it was a pain in the ass to get every corner, I heat the oven up with a drop of water off to the side, I put a wet qtip in there and work it around as it heats up, then I turn off the pax. It seriously looks brand new in minutes, if not seconds. Don't use cheap q-tips or you may melt the plastic stem to the pax, and wooden ones work best.

 

[MolecularConcept]

I can wait to see wat kind of "accessories" ploom will come out with. Although there isn't much they can do with it maybe carrying cases. Or skins . Since they are tobacco oriented I don't think we will se bong adapters

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

I imagine skins, cases, smell proof caps (or even just a cap for the top to keep lint off the mouthpiece where it resinates) portable charging options, maybe upgraded aluminum or stainless parts? (a stainless lid would be awesome so I dont have to carry any oven tools.) I doubt bong adapters as well, not for tobacco reasons, (the pax's temperatures are quite obviously set up for bud not tobaccy) just another thing to anticipate breaking the pax by using it in other ways than intended. I used a bong adapter a lot for almost a month and the temp light became a constant issue even after cleaning, so I stopped using it until I can make a proper attachment ( I use it upside-down and resin gets travels through the small hole where the sensor/latch breaches the stem, and then back up into the pax.) I would imagine they have probably tested this and come to the same conclusion. How ever, I would be interested to see if they come up with new mouthpiece options ( a lot of portable handhelds still end up with a hose option attachment by demand ) The hose option would be great, then people could tinker and convert them to a bong from there, I have a hose adapter i made that gets a lot of use when I play video games, I dont have to hold the pax, this is somthing glass has over vapes, videogame sessions need to be quick (multiplayer anyway) I usually take about 15-20 minutes on a pax, which is hardly quick.

 

[welderboy]

How bout a wrist or neck lanyard for paxing on the go? they have them for ecigs....

 

[Anders Nelson]

How bout a wrist or neck lanyard for paxing on the go? they have them for ecigs....

thatd b awesome for like walking the dog and stuff

 

[MolecularConcept]

lanyard sounds like. Good idea. If though of that one myself a few times but I would have been better to manufacture a little hole to attach the lanyard to

My charger broke the plastic part where it plugs into the wall that case fell apart.. I have it rubber banded together it won close up the way it was its kind of unsafe i assume the charger is covered as well?

 

[TommydCat]

Ya know, decent rubber caps at both ends would be freakin awesome - keep it pretty much airtight and it still wouldn't look like anything suspicious on cursory look.

And I have to stop now and admit it. Yesterday I was chuckling to myself about the knuckleheads that managed to get a magnet on the Pax and inadvertently activate it. I'm careful about such things and have a special compartment in my backpack just to hold it away from everything else.

but.

Today at work I got rushed as we had a meeting a few buildings away, so I grab my stuff throw it in the backpack, including one of those tablets with the cool covers. You know the ones that have extremely strong magnets in order to very firmly attach themselves to the tablet?

Yeah.

You know the way that vaporizers use heat instead of combusting? How when you heat something up the smell becomes more intense?

fuck.

After about 35 mins into the meeting, backpack next to me as I'm taking notes, we finish up a section, and I go to stash my notes in the backpack and get a faceful whiff of some nice ass chocolope.

where was I?

Oh yeah... where I shouldn't be in that situation - at work in a room filled with folks that can directly influence my income. ziiiiip, dash to the back and around, out to the hallway, fuck let's take the stairs to the garage where my car is, make sure no one is around / following and hop in, and damn if not unlike the blast from a bug bomb, my car instantly smelled like I was in the middle of the Farmers Market in Tacoma.

Well now...

The Farmers Market is pretty damned cool. A bit hectic for me where I'm slowing down and keeping the lookout on quality, but it can be really fun just to hang and veg. I've sat down with some interesting folks from different walks and just got caught up in the conversation. Kinda almost forget why you came there in the first place sometimes...

Oh yeah.. Story..

Investigating, I found the Pax was off.. Wouldn't come back on, bottom was pretty damned hot (but not scorching or actually burning to your hand).

then I looked down and saw how the cover to that damned tablet got wedged in funny and popped off. Guessing the way I sat the bag down...

Yeah.

Having rubber caps at both ends would have been freakin' awesome!

 

[TheDudeNextDoor]

LOL@Tommydcat. Great story and well told. Caps would be freaking awesome indeed. LMAO

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

Having rubber caps at both ends would have been freakin' awesome!

hahaha - yep they should really think about a preventative override when the latch is down.

 

[MolecularConcept]

My girlfriend and I picked up this months playboy and it has a section on pot legalization and stuff and there is our Pax right other with the mflb and the iolite pretty neat deft nice publicity

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

Yeah I saw that on their facebook page, though people need to stop calling this thing the god damn ipod of vapes, if Steve Jobs had invented a vape it'd be the Pax, Ploom is the Apple of vapes, etc.etc.

 

[Anders Nelson]

how long do the lubricant packs usually take in the mail? Like, after they tell you they will email them

 

[MolecularConcept]

Can you link me to their Facebook? For some reason I can't find it from my phone. It would be really helpful

 

[Anders Nelson]

Can you link me to their Facebook? For some reason I can't find it from my phone. It would be really helpful

http://www.facebook.com/ploomroom here dude

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

I am very concerned, any way of getting sick from too much vaping? It feels like I have something similar to pneumonia but I only experience the symptoms once I get about a quarter of the way through the oven, the symptoms usually stay for a while if I continue to vape, but go away if I don't. The symptoms really are non existent if I dont blaze. Any hazards I am unaware of as far as frequency of vaporizing? I did not blaze today at all for the first time in a verrrry long time Its like... I can... hear... my thoughts... Very worried though. A break wouldnt hurt and will happen regardless, just wondering if any of the long time users have any experience with this? I smoked 10 years before switching completely, but I never felt anything similar when I was smoking, except for maybe hash-lung after a long festival weekend.