Pain Management - how do you cope?

[pomogirl]

I've been dealing with chronic pain for about 15 years now. I have had several spinal surgeries that have left me unable to walk or stand for more than 10 minutes without my legs going numb. I also have FMS {fibromyalgia syndrome}, that causes daily pain episodes that run up all my pain so it seems like everything hurts and I cannot think clearly.

So like many, I was on daily opiods (hydro and oxy) for years. I mostly stopped opiods 4 years ago, and only take one if in extreme pain, perhaps 1x per month.

My current pain management is one dose of ibuprofen in the morning, and then 600mg of gabapentin 4x/day, as a neural suppressant. I also vape 4-6x/day.

What vaping weed does for me is kinda interesting. When I feel a fibro episode coming on, I found that vaping stops the run-up of pain. So instead of sitting there for 1-2 hours of teeth-grinding, body shaking waves of pain, I am comfortably buzzed. It completely stops (regulates?) my escalating pain response.

Basically, I am always in pain. Weed allows me to cope with my regular pain better, and is actually the only thing I have found, other than oxy, that stops my FMS episodes. If suddenly I could no longer vape weed, I would have to go back to daily opioid use.

When you say you vape 4-6x per day, are those microdoses, or sessions?

 

[C No Ego]

When you say you vape 4-6x per day, are those microdoses, or sessions?

I do 4-6 sessions of microdosing , at least a small amount ... not as micro as it is just a small dose

 

[pomogirl]

I do 4-6 sessions of microdosing , at least a small amount ... not as micro as it is just a small dose

I'm mostly doing edibles with vape microdosing (not seshing) 1-4 times to supplement. But I can't imagine getting down to one Oxi per day. It really does seem like the MJ is helping neuropathy pain, but otherwise it's focus is to help distract me from back pain, and improve my mood about it. How long did you do your vaping before you cut back on the Oxi?

 

[Leadpipe58]

Arthritis is the issue. got off oxycodone and cotton for this wonder drug. What is the worst side effect? A buzz to comfortably numb. Beats the shits to you name it. Works for me.
The only thing I do not like is that I live in P.A. The state has expanded the program but did not add farms to cover. There is a lack of flower.
in my area, there is no legal flower for 40 miles in any direction. I will enjoy it when N.J. legalize weed. Next year.

 

[C No Ego]

I'm mostly doing edibles with vape microdosing (not seshing) 1-4 times to supplement. But I can't imagine getting down to one Oxi per day. It really does seem like the MJ is helping neuropathy pain, but otherwise it's focus is to help distract me from back pain, and improve my mood about it. How long did you do your vaping before you cut back on the Oxi?

sorry for the confusion . I microdose cannabis ( vaporized cannabis) , or small dosages as I mentioned ... not sure where pharma came into the conversation ther ?

 

[Kins]

Pain relief with smoking. I do miss it.

 

[pomogirl]

I do 4-6 sessions of microdosing , at least a small amount ... not as micro as it is just a small dose

Oops. I think I was replying to "Solomon"...? Anyway, MJ doesn't take my pain away, but with combos of CBD and THC, a lot of the awfulness has diminished. When you say you do sessions, how many "inhales" do you do? Or do you finish a "bowl" each time? I know it's never precise, but inhaling vapor is a new thing for me, so I might as well ask while I'm new.

 

[C No Ego]

Oops. I think I was replying to "Solomon"...? Anyway, MJ doesn't take my pain away, but with combos of CBD and THC, a lot of the awfulness has diminished. When you say you do sessions, how many "inhales" do you do? Or do you finish a "bowl" each time? I know it's never precise, but inhaling vapor is a new thing for me, so I might as well ask while I'm new.

a session is generally a duration of vaporizing from start to finish ( until the cannabis is all vaporized) .... most conduction based vaporizers like a portable heat adjustable vape offer session style experience . convection on demand vapes that offer a few large hits are not a session style vape . the Vape I use ( Fury Edge) usaully lasts about 10 to 20 minutes per sesh depending on how relaxed I am ETC at teh time ...

 

[pomogirl]

a session is generally a duration of vaporizing from start to finish ( until the cannabis is all vaporized) .... most conduction based vaporizers like a portable heat adjustable vape offer session style experience . convection on demand vapes that offer a few large hits are not a session style vape . the Vape I use ( Fury Edge) usaully lasts about 10 to 20 minutes per sesh depending on how relaxed I am ETC at teh time ...

Oh, a session is 20 minutes of vaping? Wow...I guess I haven't been timing people online.

 

[Cheebsy]

Oh, a session is 20 minutes of vaping? Wow...I guess I haven't been timing people online.

Not necessarily... The term session is very misleading imo. A session is how long it takes a user to finish a load in a vape. A fast extracting vape will have shorter sessions. Most of the session vapes available are conduction vapes that don't extract particularly quickly. You can have a session with an on demand vape also, just to add to the confusion lol. As you can see the user, the size of the load, and the vapour itself all have an impact on how long a session would last

 

[C No Ego]

Oh, a session is 20 minutes of vaping? Wow...I guess I haven't been timing people online.

like I said it depends on mood, the time of sesh that is ... generally with a session style vape using it to fast is harsh on the throat .. slow steady pulls is best not only for less irritation but the delivery of all that molecular information while your body recognizes it and starts to signal those plant metabolites into lipid signaling events in your endocannabinoid system . this is the great part of vaping is the access to cleanly delivered compounds with no smoke soot covering as with smoking it ... plus we can tailor adjust effects somewhat with heat adjustment settings on the vape
I've has larger bowl vapes where the session lasted 45 minutes ( davinci vape) .... by that time it is nothing but popcorn, toasty flavors as all the tasty goodies in there vape first .... it takes more time to release the more stable compounds in the plant material

 

[cvs8floz]

I am always perplexed when people new to vaping ask for advice on what to buy and are adamant about either wanting a session vape or an on demand vape based on their research. To me, an on-demand vape can only be a one-hitter, such as the eNano where you adjust your load so it can be drained in one pull, then you dump and reload. I just cringe when I hear people use vapes with larger bowls for on-demand: when you load 0.1-0.2g in a large bowl, heat it up to 400 or so, then take one hit, let the vape cool down and return an hour later for a second hit, that second hit will taste like absolute shit, no matter how good or fresh your material is. To me, a session lasts until all the material is extracted to your satisfaction, that can be 1 hit, 3 hits or many hits as long as they are taken one after the other without any long breaks and without letting your vape cool down. I personally don't medicate from dawn to dusk, I do have chronic pain issues from prostatitis but they are not as severe as those faced by many other people here, and I am always afraid of overusing and reaching high tolerance levels so I stick to nightly sessions 24 hours apart. I also try to have at least 10-15 strains on hand (I grow my own) and normally vape a 50:50 CBD/THC blend to minimize throat irritation and harshness. I tailor my hits so they don't make me cough, THC is a wonderful substance but is rather harsh on your system and you have to make sure the side effects don't outweigh the benefits.

 

[pomogirl]

Not necessarily... The term session is very misleading imo. A session is how long it takes a user to finish a load in a vape. A fast extracting vape will have shorter sessions. Most of the session vapes available are conduction vapes that don't extract particularly quickly. You can have a session with an on demand vape also, just to add to the confusion lol. As you can see the user, the size of the load, and the vapour itself all have an impact on how long a session would last

So the fast extracting vapes are the ones that are not as efficient like the Carta flower Atomizer VS. the (sorry if my devices are insulting) Hydrology9 which is less efficient than the Dynavap which seems to turn all the way black if I keep vaping the bowl over and over unlike my evapes. I get all that now. Thanks @Cheebsy for your non-insulting and informative response.

 

[pomogirl]

Not necessarily... The term session is very misleading imo. A session is how long it takes a user to finish a load in a vape. A fast extracting vape will have shorter sessions. Most of the session vapes available are conduction vapes that don't extract particularly quickly. You can have a session with an on demand vape also, just to add to the confusion lol. As you can see the user, the size of the load, and the vapour itself all have an impact on how long a session would last

...and I had questions about the length of sessions for that very reason--because of the variety of answers about it and all the different videos--everyone seems to customize on a lot of levels like you say. I'm more of a on demand user, so I do that with my session vapes even if it's wrong or not as tasty, @cvs8floz ...it's just my lung reality. Oh, and my first legal herb has dried out nicely now, so my evapes seem to produce more clouds over more time even at lowish Temps--yet another variable.

As far as effects on pain, I can't seem to tell yet which approaches are best. Probably edibles for me.

But vaping anything is great for nausea. We were told to use Blue Dream or Mimosa for nausea. What do you all use for it? And what strains do you like/grow for pain? I've been listening to Jodrey and the Terp Institute guy from Colorado...

 

[Vapefanatic]

I've only read the first post but feel that I can relate. If Its okay, please allow me to share my experience. Now, this may sound unorthodox but I swear it's my true experience.

My history includes cancer and the surgeries/treatment that comes with it. I had bad spinal issues that causes the same symptoms as yours. In fact, it's pretty much similar for anyone who has a bad back. However, i didn't go for surgery as recommended, even though the herniation was bad.

After dealing with the pain for so long, even with my herbs/meds, I felt enough is enough. The meds were not curing me that's for sure. They are only helping alleviate my pain. Nothing was getting better. This can't be the way, I thought.

As I continue to medicate, I felt like I began to understand my issue. Ppl always say weed makes you more aware of your body and I totally agree.

I began researching my problem, not to find a magical cure. But just to understand and most importantly, accept it. When you do this, you skip the marketing bullshit Big pharma is targeting at you.

From my research, I found that all my issues originated from one thing! In a nutshell…Weak muscles. Its of course not that simple I'm not able to summarize everything in mere sentences. Let me try to explain it this way, Humans are simply not meant to live our current lifestyle. Just less than a century ago, humans had to labor every single day. That was the life without all the conveniences we have today. In 100 years, we could not possibly evolve to be stationary all day and still be healthy. Coincidentally, all the popular modern ilnesses and conditions we have today were nowhere to be seen in the past. We are living longer but quality is shit. Its almost as if we're being kept alive to continue lining up pockets.

I decided to bite the bullet and build myself up from scratch. I realized my body was terribly off balance. I am betting it's the same for you. Stretches will hurt and you are very inflexible. You most likely cannot squat properly. From your neck to shoulders to hips to knees, it's all related. Our body is all interconnected.

I used 3 years of daily non stop stretching to heal myself. The pain was unbearable but i stuck with it.

Now, I almost have a 6 Pack and pretty much nothing hurts anymore. I'm even able to kick ass in full contact sparring despite not being young no more. The change is night and day.

All is needed is a change in lifestyle and persistence. I wish for nothing but the best for you buddy!

 

[pomogirl]

I've only read the first post but feel that I can relate. If Its okay, please allow me to share my experience. Now, this may sound unorthodox but I swear it's my true experience.

My history includes cancer and the surgeries/treatment that comes with it. I had bad spinal issues that causes the same symptoms as yours. In fact, it's pretty much similar for anyone who has a bad back. However, i didn't go for surgery as recommended, even though the herniation was bad.

After dealing with the pain for so long, even with my herbs/meds, I felt enough is enough. The meds were not curing me that's for sure. They are only helping alleviate my pain. Nothing was getting better. This can't be the way, I thought.

As I continue to medicate, I felt like I began to understand my issue. Ppl always say weed makes you more aware of your body and I totally agree.

I began researching my problem, not to find a magical cure. But just to understand and most importantly, accept it. When you do this, you skip the marketing bullshit Big pharma is targeting at you.

From my research, I found that all my issues originated from one thing! In a nutshell…Weak muscles. Its of course not that simple I'm not able to summarize everything in mere sentences. Let me try to explain it this way, Humans are simply not meant to live our current lifestyle. Just less than a century ago, humans had to labor every single day. That was the life without all the conveniences we have today. In 100 years, we could not possibly evolve to be stationary all day and still be healthy. Coincidentally, all the popular modern ilnesses and conditions we have today were nowhere to be seen in the past. We are living longer but quality is shit. Its almost as if we're being kept alive to continue lining up pockets.

I decided to bite the bullet and build myself up from scratch. I realized my body was terribly off balance. I am betting it's the same for you. Stretches will hurt and you are very inflexible. You most likely cannot squat properly. From your neck to shoulders to hips to knees, it's all related. Our body is all interconnected.

I used 3 years of daily non stop stretching to heal myself. The pain was unbearable but i stuck with it.

Now, I almost have a 6 Pack and pretty much nothing hurts anymore. I'm even able to kick ass in full contact sparring despite not being young no more. The change is night and day.

All is needed is a change in lifestyle and persistence. I wish for nothing but the best for you buddy!

People have had pain and disability for thousands of years, and everyone benefits from different things at different times in their lives. I used to hike and ski, and now I take THC and CBD in various forms. Both lifestyles still leave me with a lot of pain.

 

[YellowFever]

it hurts to think about this

 

[pomogirl]

I am always perplexed when people new to vaping ask for advice on what to buy and are adamant about either wanting a session vape or an on demand vape based on their research. To me, an on-demand vape can only be a one-hitter, such as the eNano where you adjust your load so it can be drained in one pull, then you dump and reload. I just cringe when I hear people use vapes with larger bowls for on-demand: when you load 0.1-0.2g in a large bowl, heat it up to 400 or so, then take one hit, let the vape cool down and return an hour later for a second hit, that second hit will taste like absolute shit, no matter how good or fresh your material is. To me, a session lasts until all the material is extracted to your satisfaction, that can be 1 hit, 3 hits or many hits as long as they are taken one after the other without any long breaks and without letting your vape cool down. I personally don't medicate from dawn to dusk, I do have chronic pain issues from prostatitis but they are not as severe as those faced by many other people here, and I am always afraid of overusing and reaching high tolerance levels so I stick to nightly sessions 24 hours apart. I also try to have at least 10-15 strains on hand (I grow my own) and normally vape a 50:50 CBD/THC blend to minimize throat irritation and harshness. I tailor my hits so they don't make me cough, THC is a wonderful substance but is rather harsh on your system and you have to make sure the side effects don't outweigh the benefits.

I'm a light weight and also very curious, so I put up with the lessening taste even after a month of letting it sit. We just legalized in March, and I guess I feel bad about wasting, so it gets vaped no matter what (unless it combusts in my Dynavap which I'm still learning to use). I thought about getting a Ghost or a Davinci or a Firefly for on demand. When the Dynavap works, I really like the freshness of vaping all of it when I can.

 

[Haze Mister]

Fuck the NHS and its "guidelines".

I wonder how the OP is doing with the TMJ?

I've been suffering from that as well and it is pure torture... even though I don't have the severity that the OP has and don't need surgery. It's a case of joint injury due to chronic muscular tension caused by misaligned teeth and extensive (and poor) dental work, and bad stress management and postural issues leading to jaw clenching.

In my experience cannabis is not reliable pian relief for this. Edible can work but is hit and miss and the side effects ( seriously tripped out when you don't want to) are significant.
What has helped is alternating between opiates and benzos (diazepam, not xanax which has too short duration) in small amounts, to enable me to sleep more and to allow some temporary relief and muscle relaxation, which allows me to function and get a chance to work on the issue with exercise and meditation. My doctor agreed to this and prescibed these, as there is no standard cure.

On a seperate occasion, I recall having insane pain from a wisdom tooth once... i was on the floor crying and asked a friend to take me to the emergencies at 3 am. After waiting to be seen for over an hour in a fluorescent-lit room full of people suffering, I gave up, went back home and ingested 1g of potent hash melted in oil. This put me to sleep and klilled the pain.

I suspect edible cannabis is good for certain types of pain but not really a reliable pain killer in general. To be honest, I find most of the "medical marijuana" story to be massively overblown, probably in a desperate attempt to get the stuff decriminalised. It is BS. It should be freely available to any adult, no fucking questions asked. For the same reason that coffee (a seriously addictive drug that can cause "psychosis") is freely avaiable.

I never felt any pain relief from vaping or smoking cannabis products.

 

[Solomon]

Sorry for missing this thread - but I consider a dosing can to be a "micro dose", though it's probably more than a "micro".

So my wife invented a new pain therapy for me using our pool. She has me hang onto a couple of pool noodles in the deep end so I am suspended weightlessly. After a few minutes the pain in my lower back, legs, and feet fade away. I've don't this for as long as 45 minutes just floating around. While the pool was warm, this was easy, but as it got colder I remembered this thread about WHM. So we tried it until the pool temp got as low as 70f (which is pretty cold for a pool - normally it's around 85-95). It was even better as it got colder. Allowed me these moments of pain freedom well into October.

Now I can't wait for the pool to warm up again so I can hang some more

 

[DRCousCous]

I’ve been lurking and following this thread a while. I want to try to answer the thread topic question, as an introduction of sorts.

I have a very, very rare disease called Moersch-Woltmann Syndrome or “Stiff Person Syndrome.” It is a progressive, incurable neuromuscular disorder, and not much is really known about it. Probably autoimmune, definitely debilitating, and difficult to treat.

The primary feature of SPS is a failure in the GABA system, so certain muscle groups literally can’t “turn off.” Untreated, I have muscle spasms 24 hours a day in my trunk and upper parts of my legs. Worse spasms can break bones and tear ligaments. It sucks!

I am treated with Immune Globulin, very high doses of Baclofen, Diazepam, and Duloxetine. These mostly control the bad spasms. But, they are all CNS depressants, so I can’t take opioids for pain (until it is give up and hospice time, which ain’t yet for me). Three different doctors told me “go look into CBD and THC for pain and spasticity relief.”

I hadn’t used marijuana in 25 years at that point, and let me tell you...things have changed! Took me a while to figure out what works for me (and it changes):

* I make and eat 1:1 CBD:THC edibles (glycerine or fat/lecithin) through the day as a base layer

* I vape 1:1:1 CBG:CBD:THC dry herb starting in the mornings when I don’t have to be out for an appointment (in which case it’s CBG:CBD).

* I vape more and more THC as the day progresses, usually to the point of ending the day with just THC herb.

* I use “session” vapes several times a day (DiTanium and SBL Runt); I microdose frequently with a DynaVap.

* I occasionally use concentrates as either bowl toppers or with an enail (DiTanium) if I’m in a ton of pain.

Does any of it work? Not really, at a deep level. But it helps enormously for me and n a few fronts which affect my chronic pain: it helps me to get and stay relaxed, physically and mentally, which reduces pain for me; it helps to buffer a symptom of SPS I have called “ekplexia” which causes extreme startle responses (and falls, injuries, etc.); and it allows me to focus on things other than pain.

I’ve gravitated towards heavy “indica” types and away from strains people describe as “energizing” or “creative.” Make me anxious. I love the purples and kushes and GSC phenos. They work, and they taste good too.

What I need help with (only six months in) is how to protect my throat and lungs as much as possible. I’ve started vaping through water, which helps some. But...I vape a lot, and edibles don’t seem to really do it for me. How do you all cope with throat and lung irritation?

 

[cvs8floz]

I’ve been lurking and following this thread a while. I want to try to answer the thread topic question, as an introduction of sorts.

I have a very, very rare disease called Moersch-Woltmann Syndrome or “Stiff Person Syndrome.” It is a progressive, incurable neuromuscular disorder, and not much is really known about it. Probably autoimmune, definitely debilitating, and difficult to treat.

The primary feature of SPS is a failure in the GABA system, so certain muscle groups literally can’t “turn off.” Untreated, I have muscle spasms 24 hours a day in my trunk and upper parts of my legs. Worse spasms can break bones and tear ligaments. It sucks!

I am treated with Immune Globulin, very high doses of Baclofen, Diazepam, and Duloxetine. These mostly control the bad spasms. But, they are all CNS depressants, so I can’t take opioids for pain (until it is give up and hospice time, which ain’t yet for me). Three different doctors told me “go look into CBD and THC for pain and spasticity relief.”

I hadn’t used marijuana in 25 years at that point, and let me tell you...things have changed! Took me a while to figure out what works for me (and it changes):

* I make and eat 1:1 CBD:THC edibles (glycerine or fat/lecithin) through the day as a base layer

* I vape 1:1:1 CBG:CBD:THC dry herb starting in the mornings when I don’t have to be out for an appointment (in which case it’s CBG:CBD).

* I vape more and more THC as the day progresses, usually to the point of ending the day with just THC herb.

* I use “session” vapes several times a day (DiTanium and SBL Runt); I microdose frequently with a DynaVap.

* I occasionally use concentrates as either bowl toppers or with an enail (DiTanium) if I’m in a ton of pain.

Does any of it work? Not really, at a deep level. But it helps enormously for me and n a few fronts which affect my chronic pain: it helps me to get and stay relaxed, physically and mentally, which reduces pain for me; it helps to buffer a symptom of SPS I have called “ekplexia” which causes extreme startle responses (and falls, injuries, etc.); and it allows me to focus on things other than pain.

I’ve gravitated towards heavy “indica” types and away from strains people describe as “energizing” or “creative.” Make me anxious. I love the purples and kushes and GSC phenos. They work, and they taste good too.

What I need help with (only six months in) is how to protect my throat and lungs as much as possible. I’ve started vaping through water, which helps some. But...I vape a lot, and edibles don’t seem to really do it for me. How do you all cope with throat and lung irritation?

It looks like you are already doing many of the things I recommend, such as using 1:1 strains, and that you are conscious of the toll vaping is taking on your throat and lungs. I can maybe make a few more suggestions:
-Always vape through water, cold water if possible, and change it often. Try to use an all glass vapor path with no metal screens. Dropdowns, glycerin glass coils or any glass extenders/splitters are great. The 3 vaporizers you mention aren't particularly conducive to use through glass although they all can be adapted. I mainly use the Weedeater with a glass bowl (always capped) or the eNano with a glass bowl, both are natively meant to be used with glass. The more conduction, the less work for your lungs, let your vape do the work.
-Keep your temps down as much as possible, the 1:1 strains require less heat to fully extract, I am thinking ~550 degrees for the Weedeater or about 350 degrees if you use a Mighty. Drier bud will also vape better at lower temps, fresh THC strains need the most heat.
-I personally have a hard time distinguishing between indica and sativa strains, I would never be able to distinguish between them in a blind test. I understand the "sativa" effect that makes you want to go out and do things, but I cannot bring out that effect in a reliable manner from any particular strain, it sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't. I much more go by smell and taste just like you do, that's why I enjoy growing so much because you get the full array of scents from freshly cut to fully cured. Oddly, I never liked the purples and stopped growing them.
-If all else fails, cut your consumption. Your system needs time off from vaping, more than a night's sleep, ideally 20 hours or so. At least try to delay your morning session till noon if you can.

 

[MyCollie]

My cancer related pain has increased significantly and cannabis hasn’t really proven to be effective. I have some bone involvement again and the chemotherapy regimen I’m taking is probably the last step before another involved surgery. I’ve dodged multiple bullets but I’ve been hit a few times. What helps with pain is 20mg of OxyContin and Oxycodone as needed. Also, Claritin helps with bone pain.

Cannabis helps with sleep, nausea, anxiety, and my energy level.

Sativas are dead on perfect for energy level. Definitely uplifting. I need to try some sativa edibles soon. I don’t think we have cookies or snacks here but we do have gummies and mints. I’d make my own as I have a Sous Vide, Ardent and MBM but in my new place it’s too risky with all of the odor. I could probably pull off rice crispy treats.

Indica at night works just fine.

I’m also dosing with RSO and FECO. I don’t think it will cure my cancer but a small blob or schmear on my finger does the trick.

 

[DRCousCous]

Thank you for the reply CVS, that all makes sense! When I first started using cannabis to help with symptoms of SPS, I was trying to avoid "getting high" entirely. I quickly realized that wasn't really possible or useful with the 1:1 kind of strains or mixes that work best for me. And then especially when I discovered CBG hemp, which I can't get at dispensaries at all, it just changed the way I thought about all of it. At root, though, balancing CBD and THC (with CBG in the mornings) works best for me, overall. I don't get super high, and having a high tolerance actually helps. I wish edibles worked for me better than they do ;/

-I personally have a hard time distinguishing between indica and sativa strains, I would never be able to distinguish between them in a blind test. I understand the "sativa" effect that makes you want to go out and do things, but I cannot bring out that effect in a reliable manner from any particular strain, it sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't. I much more go by smell and taste just like you do, that's why I enjoy growing so much because you get the full array of scents from freshly cut to fully cured. Oddly, I never liked the purples and stopped growing them.

You're right, in that I don't think there are hard and fast lines between "indicas" and "sativas." I use it as short hand for "relaxing" and "anxiety-inducing" haha. And it's just my own reaction (my brother is the same way). And you're right, the effects I want probably have as much (or more) to do with the terpenes and other cannabinoids as with the landrace genetics of the plants themselves. From what I can tell, the terms "indica, sativa, and ruderalis" really come from historical usage and likeliest refer to what I would call landraces or ecotypes.

It's funny, I'm a plant scientist (microbial systems ecologist to be specific), and I know an awful lot about growing plants, breeding, diseases, symbiosis, etc. I currently am not allowed to legally grow marijuana for myself, although I hope that changes in the next year or so. I very, very much would like to grow (I'm fully disabled and at home, now, and have a lot of time!), partly because I know what I want and like and am sick of being at the mercy of the tastes of recreational users in Washington State as to what's available, lol.

I really look forward to the day I can start my own grows. I have the tools, the resources, and the knowledge to do so, just not the right address.

If all else fails, cut your consumption. Your system needs time off from vaping, more than a night's sleep, ideally 20 hours or so. At least try to delay your morning session till noon if you can.

I wish I could, but it's hard. I do delay morning sessions (especially with THC) when I have appointments, but I just get too uncomfortable around 10:00-11:00am. I genuinely wish I had some other tools besides cannabis (and the boatload of pharmaceuticals I'm on of course) to work with. Opioids are out, but I feel like there has to be some other form of synergistic treatment that could work with cannabis.

Anyhow, I figure I'm going to be battling pain and spasms for the rest of my life, and cannabis looks like it is a key part of my toolkit. I really look forward to reading up here and learning from all of you folks been doing this for years! Thank you for your time.

Cheers!

 

[arb]

I find getting as"high"as possible extremely therapeutic.