Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

[ilovebOObs]

Man I'm I loving the omicron. Chillin in lake taheo and reno for the past few days, the omicron is so sick I can use it on the slopes and in the casinos. The omicron is truly the best portable vape I've ever had. nothin better then playing some pai gow and getting vaped out, hahah

 

[SF Giant]

Like the sign says "don't gamble with marijuana" in Nevada, they have some harsh penalties in those parts, be careful

 

[ilovebOObs]

Thanks for the warning sf. Yea I know nevada law really sucks. I will be more careful. Thanks man

 

[Jeppy]

Ya, if you see the man coming, unscrew the cart and whip that MF down the slope.

 

[Guest]

actually nevada is just a fine for less than an ounce

back in the day it was felony for possesion i think, but now they are more relaxed

 

[Guest]

please convince a dispensary like harborside or others to carry carts that are bubble hash and not butane....

oh and you guys know all the co2 stuff is really tane tane....legal renaming and such

would love to find bubble filled carts for a med user like me!

id buy hella of them right now!!

 

[dankd420]

please convince a dispensary like harborside or others to carry carts that are bubble hash and not butane....

oh and you guys know all the co2 stuff is really tane tane....legal renaming and such

would love to find bubble filled carts for a med user like me!

id buy hella of them right now!!

Convincing the dispensary is the easy part. First you need to invent a cartridge that vaporizes bubble hash instead of oils that completely melt and are able to wick across the heating element.

 

[funkin]

please convince a dispensary like harborside or others to carry carts that are bubble hash and not butane....

oh and you guys know all the co2 stuff is really tane tane....legal renaming and such

would love to find bubble filled carts for a med user like me!

id buy hella of them right now!!

Convincing the dispensary is the easy part. First you need to invent a cartridge that vaporizes bubble hash instead of oils that completely melt and are able to wick across the heating element.

I think the herb cart coming out might be able to use bubble hash (maybe with herb mixed), since it doesn't have the same rules/function that the current cartridges do.

 

[Guest]

well i am imagining that the upcoming flower carts will be able to be loaded with nice bubble hash just a guess though

another question i have is if i buy an omicron today at my local store, will the upcoming flower carts work on this too or will i need to buy a whole new omicron to fit those carts?

 

[reverser]

This is a rebranded Joye eGo, is it not?

Joye eGo

Also the "Persei" is a rebranded Silver Bullet right?

Silver Bullet

Just curious, seems like the same devices at a serious markup.

 

[OF]

please convince a dispensary like harborside or others to carry carts that are bubble hash and not butane....

oh and you guys know all the co2 stuff is really tane tane....legal renaming and such

would love to find bubble filled carts for a med user like me!

id buy hella of them right now!!

That would actually be a BIG mistake. The resin in the trichs will plug the wick in the cart real fast. Wrecks it, just takes a little.

You have a couple of options if you want to avoid hydrocarbon solvents. First off CO2 is actually CO2 (the gas you exhale 3% or so of with each breath), not "tane" as you seem to think. It's a very common bulk process. Like taking caffeine from tea (basically what we want, right?) and similar extractions for the perfume and flavor industries. Likewise, Nitrogen ('Nitro') is another 'solvent free' process (although one could argue the gas is a solvent when in the process). Then you have fractional distillation like is used for PureGold. The plant is heated (probably in a vacuum) and the very vapors we want later are condensed and packaged for is. We simply revaporize it again. Not a spec of solvent of any type in sight. Far cleaner than any commercial vaporizer out there I bet.

You have options, but your idea won't fly.

I think the herb cart coming out might be able to use bubble hash (maybe with herb mixed), since it doesn't have the same rules/function that the current cartridges do.

Hey, it just might. Or you might be able to 'cheat' some like I do with my Iolite (put 50mg or a bit more bubble hash in a layer in the center of the load), but that's not something we can really be rushing out and leaning on our LHS to stock. Nor do I expect it to be cheap enough to be considered a 'throw away' for even a gram of bubble hash....even after it gets here. Even if it can be run on the Omicron (which we're told it won't).

Another 'use specific' machine is about to come out in the form of the TV 'Revolution'. In the strange way the world works, they're trying to convert their battery operated flower vape to do concentrates while our good friends at THC race along at amazing pace to add flowers to their successful concentrate vapes. Funny in a way, part of the 'way cool' part of Capitalism. In the words of Henry Kieser, "Find a need and fill it". An important difference is the TV system won't use carts either (only one type at a time) but instant switch back to herb is an option and it's specifically designed to work with any concentrate from the get go.

No way around it, gotta get both I'm thinking.

OF

mod note: please learn to use quote tags to avoid back to back posts. Posts merged.

 

[Guest]

actually i would bet almost all, im gonna say 99.999999 percent that say that have c02 are lying or they are vending to d's that are lying...

chemical concentrates i.e. bho, qwiso ect...and all there cousins are not covered by 215 and are highly illegal..trust me

so you ever see a menu at a club that says bho or butane...no they have all these names for the stuff so they can act dumb if the door gets kicked in. If you can link me an actual c02 extractor with pics and real pics not just a fuzzy shot, and those pics have actual cannabis being extracted by c02, then ill shut up. but you wont find it. Those machines cost 35 k at least for the smallest one. I know thats not a lot of dough but thats a lot when compared to how easy it is to make bho or qwiso...qwiso is aka glass, jolly rancher ect...

not to say in the tons and tons of shake made every year none is c02 or n02 but ive nver seen the real thing, and would bet any c02 you buy would actual test positive for butane residue toxins


as far as pure gold, i met the owners, talked with them for a while. They were trying to get my trim to make puregold. I asked them what solvents they use as i was not about to support a company that used butane in its products. Sure enough he said they use everything, basically anything they can get their hands on to make puregold, including bho.


bubble is worth the trouble...or perhaps some full melt dry sift...oo now were talking about high grade

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

actually i would bet almost all, im gonna say 99.999999 percent that say that have c02 are lying or they are vending to d's that are lying...

chemical concentrates i.e. bho, qwiso ect...and all there cousins are not covered by 215 and are highly illegal..trust me

so you ever see a menu at a club that says bho or butane...no they have all these names for the stuff so they can act dumb if the door gets kicked in. If you can link me an actual c02 extractor with pics and real pics not just a fuzzy shot, and those pics have actual cannabis being extracted by c02, then ill shut up. but you wont find it. Those machines cost 35 k at least for the smallest one. I know thats not a lot of dough but thats a lot when compared to how easy it is to make bho or qwiso...qwiso is aka glass, jolly rancher ect...

not to say in the tons and tons of shake made every year none is c02 or n02 but ive nver seen the real thing, and would bet any c02 you buy would actual test positive for butane residue toxins


as far as pure gold, i met the owners, talked with them for a while. They were trying to get my trim to make puregold. I asked them what solvents they use as i was not about to support a company that used butane in its products. Sure enough he said they use everything, basically anything they can get their hands on to make puregold, including bho.


bubble is worth the trouble...or perhaps some full melt dry sift...oo now were talking about high grade

We cant comment on how these concentrates are made, or what the process is, but what we can comment on is this.

We have had a c02 machine, It was a Thar System. We have used it. It does produce extracts.

Other then this we cant comment any further as we dont have our machine anymore, and are past that point where we needs solvents to extract. We are working on a different method that does not use any solvents from start to finish.

Once we are done with out vaporizer line we will restart this research.

The only Company that is by patients for patients. We will release this information when its complete.

 

[mephisto]

Nice,
Thanks for keeping us up to date, G. Looking forward to all the new gear.

 

[OF]

actually i would bet almost all, im gonna say 99.999999 percent that say that have c02 are lying or they are vending to d's that are lying...

not to say in the tons and tons of shake made every year none is c02 or n02 but ive nver seen the real thing, and would bet any c02 you buy would actual test positive for butane residue toxins

OK, always glad to learn from an expert. Perhaps you could explain a couple of the fine points and tie in your credentials in the area at the same time?

First, how come what reputable providers (like Harborside and Essential) sell as CO2 or N2 refined concentrates are so RADICALLY different from BHO and QWISO? Color, taste, potency, lack of chlorophyll and so on they all seem to have in common with each other but none of the BHO or QWISO out there?

Secondly, exactly what are these 'butane residue toxins' you're talking about? You have some MSDS or other information to back this up? Folks cook food with butane you know, I've never heard of concerns about the holiday turkey sitting in that gas chamber full of toxins.

TIA

We have had a c02 machine, It was a Thar System. We have used it. It does produce extracts.

Other then this we cant comment any further as we dont have our machine anymore, and are past that point where we needs solvents to extract. We are working on a different method that does not use any solvents from start to finish.

Once we are done with out vaporizer line we will restart this research.

Very cool, but this is a lot like putting all our future eggs (in terms of really nifty breakthroughs) in one basket. Watching that basket becomes everything. I hope you guys are being careful? You know, not eating at the same places, never all traveling on the same plane and all?

OF

 

[Guest]

first off the illegal nature of bho even in mmj industry makes it hard to be sure whats what.

can you be sure that your bho was made with high quality butane? not a cheap brand?

pounds and pounds of bho that is sold to clubs is made with pvc, butane and pvc dont mix

im not a scientist, nor a chemist. But i have been in the industry for my entire adult life, so i think that gives me some sort of cred

im just sharing what i know to be true.

im gonna dig around to see what i can find for you OF

thakns also to omicron for the info on the c02, i know its out there but the process is rare and i doubt its making it to clubs...just my

also interesting that thcscientific stated he isnt ever gonna puff bho again

 

[DubCRider]

I am going to watch some Co2 be made in the upcoming week or two, I'll be sure to take pictures to prove you wrong. I'll let you know what I see when I do.

 

[OF]

can you be sure that your bho was made with high quality butane? not a cheap brand?

im just sharing what i know to be true.

im gonna dig around to see what i can find for you OF

thakns also to omicron for the info on the c02, i know its out there but the process is rare and i doubt its making it to clubs...just my

also interesting that thcscientific stated he isnt ever gonna puff bho again

I wasn't aware of this last qualification, of course I can't say where all butane comes from, but you're the guy that started out saying it was all poison. Right? So now some might be OK? How do you know this is true? Thanks for finding any information, I'm interested.

As to it being rare (not impossible), I'm still not with you yet. How was it again you explained the light color, mild taste and lack plant chemicals in what well respected providers offer? How is it the 'industry standard' labs don't detect the toxins of which you speak? They are on the look out for problems like insecticides which are much harder to find and quantify. As long as you've got your HPGC wound up looking for other stuff is automatic, all you have to do is read the data.

I wasn't aware THC had sworn off BHO, when was that and why? Strange he's keeping the issue to himself (he seem so up front with other points), perhaps I missed it. Maybe you (or even he) could fill me in?

Thanks again.

I am going to watch some Co2 be made in the upcoming week or two, I'll be sure to take pictures to prove you wrong. I'll let you know what I see when I do.

Cool. I've seen smaller machines in a chocolate factory of all places in the development area. Impressive. I was told at the time that other plants used bigger versions in actual production. Be fun to see one working I'd think if someone can explain it, otherwise it could be really a boring job running it I'm thinking. Like ol' George Orwell said the 'Gama minus machine minders' do for a living in 1984. I worked at a place doing vacuum coating of big GE turbine blades for power generators on gas rigs (that burn raw flue gas). Huge machine, guys would spend all day taking 3 foot blades out of the box, logging the numbers, putting them in the load lock, pushing the button, then stacking the box up and getting the next. The senior guys would get the boxes and put the blades back in an hour or so later when they came out, do some more paperwork and get another box ready. High pay and lots of drinking on that crew......

OF

 

[Guest]

hey of

i remember a while ago thc posted he was, for unspecified reasons, done smoking bho.

perhaps its the illegality of it. im not sure. for me its the health effects. Not saying i never use a bic, or havnt dabbed once or twice in my day. But im looking for a vape that will be my number one go to choice for thc delivery, and to me, imho, bho or qwiso is not the way for me.

I have to admit im not sure i understand your ??'s about the colors?? as far as the color, i can attest to qwiso looking like red jo0llyranchers, completely clear and potent as all hell, and with high end bho more of a creamy yellow or tan hash color, some whipped some not, very clean looking product though. So im not sure if you think bho and qwiso cant be clean looking, but all of it ive seen was super clean looking. the kind of stuff that bpcc on telegraph sells for 80 a gram or somehting , they call is glass i think

im not trying to hate or troll at all, i just wanted to see if there were users out there concerned about bho being labled c02.


dubcrider- i look forward to seeing some pics of the machine and the final product coming out of the machine and the final product ?? lol jk im sure it will be cool, have fun

 

[VirginHarvester]

Are you drawing slowly or fast? Are you letting the cartridge cool down between hits?

What is the best way, slow then trying not to let the cart cool between hits?

A suggestion for THC Scientific for the Omicron. I seen that white plastic insert you use to put over the cartridge and was wondering; what if there was an assortment of colors of these?

Would like to see a plastic cap shape more like a saxophone is at the top so you don't have to look down while hitting- a curved tip. Follow me THC? Not a big deal but more ergonomic I think.

Also, I'm noticing my cart seems clogged after each use. Where is it likely stopped up, the center hole? It's almost solid and I have to prime four or five times before it starts to break lose. The vape is good on this particular cart once it gets going but seems to take a while to soften up. I always let it cool down in an upright, standing position.

Have another cart not working as well but I think I had trouble loading the full half gram. This wax I got from one collective is in a tiny plastic case and more or less stuck to the plastic. I froze it a couple times and tried to scrape it out but I don't think it worked well. But when I hit on this cart it's never clogged, very airy on the draw like there's just not much medicine in it.

Any way to test the cart and make sure it's working?

Another question to make sure I'm on track with the upcoming cart innovations. Will I be able to use the nail hitter and flower carts with my Omicron? Hoping so and that the Omi has enough horsepower.

 

[Errl]

OF, got any pictures of the hacked up cartos? Seems to me like these things are just a modified CE2 ceramic heating element style cartomizer. There are dual core versions of these being made for regular ecigs... I wonder how closely related these two products are.

 

[OF]

Are you drawing slowly or fast? Are you letting the cartridge cool down between hits?

What is the best way, slow then trying not to let the cart cool between hits?

Yup, that's what I find gets the highest vapor content. If you hit it too fast, it cools off too much because of all the cool air and you get out the end is warm air and no vapor.....

A suggestion for THC Scientific for the Omicron. I seen that white plastic insert you use to put over the cartridge and was wondering; what if there was an assortment of colors of these?

Would like to see a plastic cap shape more like a saxophone is at the top so you don't have to look down while hitting- a curved tip. Follow me THC? Not a big deal but more ergonomic I think.



Have another cart not working as well but I think I had trouble loading the full half gram. This wax I got from one collective is in a tiny plastic case and more or less stuck to the plastic. I froze it a couple times and tried to scrape it out but I don't think it worked well. But when I hit on this cart it's never clogged, very airy on the draw like there's just not much medicine in it.

Any way to test the cart and make sure it's working?

Another question to make sure I'm on track with the upcoming cart innovations. Will I be able to use the nail hitter and flower carts with my Omicron? Hoping so and that the Omi has enough horsepower.

Not to worry about the shape of the tip right now, it will work until you get the rest sorted out. Many of us have a 'work around' you might consider. File or sand a round groove in your lower lip to fit the factory tip. Something straight up and down, right in the center, not too deep. Really helps keep it centered and pointed the right way. If you're not that dedicated yet, perhaps you can make other allowances?

The time to test it was before you filled it. Now, oil on the surface of the heater may keep yoiu from seeing it. OTOH, the fact that it gives some modest vapor says it's getting hot....that's not the problem. First off a "full' is a gram, not a half. A half might not even feed well if you've done a poor job filling which is what I think you have. You need to get liquid oil down to the wicks (lowest level) so they can carry it into the vaporization chamber. I don't think you have that happening. Normally, a large volume of hot oil (which is runny) will flow down at loading or be carried down when you (gently) heat the cart. In service, the outer heater keeps it flowing to the inner one. You need to either fill the cart the rest of the way with very warm oil or melt what you have down. The latter is dangerous, heat it more than 'almost too hot to hold' and you'll wreck the seals and destroy the cart, loosing oil.

And no, from what I hear the plant cart needs several times the power of the current oil cart. You need the new (higher voltage) battery. While the nail unit is further out, I'm pretty sure it too will need more steam to work well.

OF, got any pictures of the hacked up cartos? Seems to me like these things are just a modified CE2 ceramic heating element style cartomizer. There are dual core versions of these being made for regular ecigs... I wonder how closely related these two products are.

No sorry, I haven't got around to taking any pictures, nor frankly when I do am I likely to post them as I've never done so on any forum for any reason. Tool of the devil, you know.

While I've no idea about the unit you name, I'd be surprised indeed if this puppy was a modified anything else. It's a two stage deal. But unlike any others I've seen. The inner chamber is about the size of a kitchen match head, the main heater is tiny with a silica fiber core. The feed heater is wound around the outside of that, at the bottom of the tube. All the e cig carts I've pulled down that even have two heaters are very different. They have one above the other, not one around the other. The threads are also different, a small but important difference.

Bottom line is if it was that easy it'd be done. Other guys are clever too. I doubt G would have wasted all that time, and for sure he would be so busy redesigning the cart if it was a simple modification. Could be wrong, but seriously doubt it.

As Hunter Thomson famously said, "buy the ticket, take the ride".

OF

 

[Jeppy]

I have successfully loaded a total of 2.0 G of budder in one cart. I started off with the initial 1G and have gently added about .25 when I've recognized the cart running low. After this last filling, it seems to be hitting extremely well. I think my filling technique is improving and I think preheating prior to introducing the concentrate may be important to how the cart performs after filled.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Guys you remember thats good.

Now reasons why i dont smoke bho is because of the waxes in it, That covers your bronchial sacks and to me thats not good.

Ill smoke Gold, but to be honest i have stopped smoking all together in the past year. Now i just test things.

I need to quit cigarettes but thats proving harder then i thought.



As far as extractions is concerned anything done with solvents is bad.

but then again water is considered a solvent as well.


But here is the kicker, other industries use Co2, butane, and other solvents for extractions. Its just the Cannabis industry is outlawed.

 

[VirginHarvester]

You need to either fill the cart the rest of the way with very warm oil or melt what you have down. The latter is dangerous, heat it more than 'almost too hot to hold' and you'll wreck the seals and destroy the cart, loosing oil.

so how long on average can you hold a lighter/heatsource to the cart without damage? It seems like I would need to heat the cart "too hot to hold" if I'm going to get the wax/budder hot enough to melt to the bottom of cart. I will certainly be careful and try to heat a cart slowly but seems difficult to know how much is enough.

And no, from what I hear the plant cart needs several times the power of the current oil cart. You need the new (higher voltage) battery. While the nail unit is further out, I'm pretty sure it too will need more steam to work well.
OF

Any word if there is a higher voltage battery unit replacement planned that will work with Omicron? Hope so or my unit will soon seem obsolete, or incomplete.

Now reasons why i dont smoke bho is because of the waxes in it, That covers your bronchial sacks and to me thats not good.

Ill smoke Gold, but to be honest i have stopped smoking all together in the past year. Now i just test things.

Is is true most wax/budders are bho? Are you saying you don't even vape those? Seems like our options are slim minus bho.

Gold seems to work really well and easy enough to manage but at $80gr it's pretty darn steep.