Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

[OF]

ya if its shatter then go with 1.5's and test.

I'm not sure I'm with you here. If the problem was not enough vapor with 2.4s because it was shatter then it makes some sense (although I still believe 2.4s will do a good job given good concentrates and a new guy should master them before jumping into the deep end), but that's not the problem here. The problem is too much production, going to hotter carts is going the wrong way?

Higher resistance and shorter on times seems a better way to go. In any event, the OP has to learn to work with it, it sounds like a search for a hard and fast formula with narrow margins. I don't think that will work.

Perhaps starting a modest draw, keying on then dropping power again based on experience and taste at that point?

OF

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

My original response was to get 3.0's and try them but 3.0's won't work with shatter, what he wanted was quick warm up time with only 2 seconds of button foreplay. So I think the 1.5's for shatter would work best.

 

[stray201]

I'm not sure I'm with you here. If the problem was not enough vapor with 2.4s because it was shatter then it makes some sense (although I still believe 2.4s will do a good job given good concentrates and a new guy should master them before jumping into the deep end), but that's not the problem here. The problem is too much production, going to hotter carts is going the wrong way?

Higher resistance and shorter on times seems a better way to go. In any event, the OP has to learn to work with it, it sounds like a search for a hard and fast formula with narrow margins. I don't think that will work.

Perhaps starting a modest draw, keying on then dropping power again based on experience and taste at that point?

OF

The problem is a combination of inconsistency due to the nature of the concentrate I'm using and the fact that my sad lungs have a hard time inhaling through a narrow airway for any measurable duration, meaning that the extended draw times on the 2.4 leave me with no lung power left to inhale air after removing my mouth from the Omi.

The concentrate I was using prior to this was a dry wax and I had zero issues with it, but I'm fond of this shatter and would like to get it again, this time putting it in a more suitable cart. It's top shelf stuff from a dispensary that specializes in concentrates. Double vac purged, frozen to remove paraffins, etc. and looks like golden perfectly smooth glass. Probably standard for you Cali and Colorado dwellers, but professional tier concentrates are rare here in the frozen North.

The ideal situation would be no more than 3 seconds inhaling through the mouthpiece, leaving me with a few seconds of lung power to inhale air. Wouldn't that be a more likely scenario with a cart that heats up faster and gets hotter than the 2.4?

I really want to master the Omicron, I want it to be my daily driver. Any advice is welcome, I know you've got a lot of experience with it. I've tried a ton of different draw styles, it just feels like it has more to do with how the heater and that particular concentrate are interacting.

 

[OF]

The ideal situation would be no more than 3 seconds inhaling through the mouthpiece, leaving me with a few seconds of lung power to inhale air. Wouldn't that be a more likely scenario with a cart that heats up faster and gets hotter than the 2.4?

Thanks for the additional information. While it's 'worth a try' and simple enough, I just don't see it as being a good solution. Yes, 1.5s produce a fair bit more vapor and are faster off the line (something I think is easy to compensate for with 2.4s?) if the goal is to get as much vapor as possible in a few seconds.

However (and I think it's a big 'however') the extra heat can more easily get away from you and I don't think burnt oil is going to help your lung situation? Not that it can't be controlled, but with limited draw capacity it's going to be tougher. Generally it's the glory bound cloud chasers honking on the 1.5s and still a lot of problems crop up. 2.4s are just a lot more forgiving here.

I would think the solution lies in slower draw (for whatever time) on 2.4s. Generally production goes up with lighter draws as I'm sure you've found. A few seconds preheat before starting the draw might be useful. If you've tried that without adequate success then trying 1.5s seems in order. There are no (or at least very few) fixed rules I guess, mostly guidelines?

One other option worth considering that might also solve your other issue is changing to a regulated supply. Such devices let you within reason 'dial up the power you want'. And they are stable as the battery discharges. Getting one with a lager battery means lots of use before battery swap. Since you don't seem interested in being really portable (there are small ones of course), an 18650 based one might be the call? TV has a VV head coming in the near future, this is one I've used with satisfaction:
http://www.tropicalvapors.com/L-Rider-Variable-Voltage-E-Cigarette_p_39.html

There are other, similar, units around. This is just the one I know. You'll need a battery (two would be better) too, but can use the charger that came with your Omicron.

Good luck.

OF

 

[Silvercloud538]

Pass through is in the works and should be out by Novembers end

Now that's what we're talking 'bout Dr G

 

[stray201]

Thanks OF! I'll put the VV unit on my list of troubleshooting options, and if the 1.5s don't end up doing the trick I'll give it a shot. I'm not too worried about burning the oil with the 1.5s, I tend to err on the side of caution and I won't be loading any more than I'm willing to lose. Looking at it purely as an experiment and not a surefire solution.

A slower draw with the shatter I'm using results in strangeness. I get little bursts of vapor, followed by tiny pop clogs, followed by pure air, then another burst of vapor. I have a feeling the viscosity of this particular concentrate, when warmed, makes it a bit stubborn as far as making its way down to the heater. A slow draw worked really well with the wax I was using before, I was down to a 4 second press with that, unfortunately this stuff is just plain fickle.

Preheating just earns me a pop clog. I can preheat for about half a second before starting my draw, anything longer is playing clog roulette.

 

[OF]

Thanks OF! I'll put the VV unit on my list of troubleshooting options, and if the 1.5s don't end up doing the trick I'll give it a shot.

You're welcome, good luck.

Remember if you use most VV heads (510 threads) you'll need the five dollar thread adapter to screw the 601 thread Omicron carts on.

OF

 

[shredhead]

Gettin all my gear ready for when my screw adapters roll in on thrusday, along with my VV. Pickin' up some 2.4 carts at my LHS and im lookin for some fill tips. I always make my oil into budder that i can handle. I feel as though i can just squish the budder down into the cart, but you guys will know better than me!

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

ok guys October 27th at Sparc Collective in san Francisco.

3-6 pm


Im gonna bring a bubbler, bender, hercules old prototype, newer prototypes, hammer, new upgraded stuff also

 

[jpdnkstr]

ok guys October 27th at Sparc Collective in san Francisco.

3-6 pm


Im gonna bring a bubbler, bender, hercules old prototype, newer prototypes, hammer, new upgraded stuff also

Man, I wish I lived closer. That sounds like a good day!

 

[OF]

I feel as though i can just squish the budder down into the cart, but you guys will know better than me!

Early on some guys would load that way (poking it down the slots), results were usually pretty poor. This gave rise to the funnel technique (actually the tip from a cake decorator and a toothpick) which lead THC (now D9) to develop the loading tool. In fact my first pair of Omicron supplies came with a free number 10 tip from PV.

The key to good loading is melting the concentrate down into the cart so it makes it all the way to the bottom without trapping an air bubble. You can get the Wilton #10 tip for local hobby and cooking supply stores. The technique is on the D9 page, under 'instructions' at the top:
http://www.delta9vapes.com/pdf/Omicron_Fill_Instructions_v3.pdf

If you use a substitute loading tool use a round toothpick to plug the center tube, you don't want concentrate in there.

Good luck, it's worth the effort (actually pretty easy). Just remember to weigh the cart empty so you'll know when it's getting low (don't add more as long as there's say .2 grams left) and load half a gram at a time and you should do just fine.

OF

 

[shredhead]

Filled my first cart! didn't have a fill tool so i plugged the center hole and stuffed the sides( I know you said not to!) and slowly torched it all down. no mess. no vapor. looks like i did fine . now the test is tomorrow when i get my screw adapters!

 

[shredhead]

Double post kind of! Got all my shit in! first hit out of the omicron cart ontop my 3.7v thermovape. unreal. so impressed. might use these all the time! they work great on my usb passthrough too!! Now i have unlimited battery power!!!! muhahahaha! Did i say im in love?

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Double post kind of! Got all my shit in! first hit out of the omicron cart ontop my 3.7v thermovape. unreal. so impressed. might use these all the time! they work great on my usb passthrough too!! Now i have unlimited battery power!!!! muhahahaha! Did i say im in love?

Once you go Omicron your not going wrong? haha i love that let me know if you need help bro.

 

[Dreamerr]

Understood. They won't work for us.

However, in response to JKA's point, I'm not sure..... I recall some talk about how this is a flaw in the law that's provided a 'loophole' for the Blue Meanies to rush through. These guys are typically water extracted, and water is 'the universal solvent'..... Yes, the law doesn't say it has to be a solvent for THC.....

As I understand it the whole area is very murky, a true swamp to be avoided. Right now, I think it's legitimate MM users that are keeping the wolf at bay here. They don't want someone's grandmother in a wheel chair on the evening news. Nor do we, even if for different reasons. Strange bedfellow indeed.

OF

OF I saw this post and had to reply. That will be me eventually. Will you drive the few hours to come bail me out and take messed up pictures to embarrass the blue people.

I was just reading to start to learn about oils, waxes and such and you got me in jail ugh. Here they will do it are laws are a bit stricter. People are getting busted with cards.

 

[OF]

OF I saw this post and had to reply. That will be me eventually. Will you drive the few hours to come bail me out and take messed up pictures to embarrass the blue people.

I was just reading to start to learn about oils, waxes and such and you got me in jail ugh. Here they will do it are laws are a bit stricter. People are getting busted with cards.

Lady, I'd be proud to 'go your bail', and while I'm at best a fair photographer, as is widely known I can embarrass strangers far and wide......

My understanding is using (traditional) solvents like Butane or ISO puts you over the line clearly. The rub is with water extractions. But as you said if they want to they'll use the law to bust you.

As the Grateful Dead so wisely put it "...if you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in".....

OF

 

[Dreamerr]

We need an unlike button and an agree button. Cause I don't like it lol.
Oh and thanks for the bail.

 

[shredhead]

Had some clogging issues ( concentrate came up the center heater hole). The cart is till perfroming fine. Anyone have tips for clogs like this? i may have just been inhaling to strongly or it may be my concentrate i guess. Like i said the cart is still performing. just a little clogging issue.

 

[OF]

i may have just been inhaling to strongly or it may be my concentrate i guess.

Yup, those are two of the popular reasons for this. It can sometimes be helpful to pull a lot of cool air through after you cut power to speed cool down.

Generally not as common with 2.4 Ohm carts as with 1.5s, what are you running?

OF

 

[shredhead]

2.4 carts on top my thermovape 3.7 and my VV. I'm not sure if I should try loading a new cart when this one dies down or clean this dirty cloggy one.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

clogging is caused by a few issues, one is turning the device on and not inhaling, to remedy this you need to start inhaling before you turn on your device, then inhale after you turned off your device for about 2-3 seconds.

Then when you exhale do a few 5 second inhales to cool it down and keep the air path clear.


Also in haling to fast will suck up the liquid into the middle air tube. So a nice gentle inhale will help solve this issue even further.

You can clean out the cartridges jambandphan did it and she can comment on it. Vitolo has told me that he has cartridges still going after 7 or 8 refills.

The cartridges can last a while if properly done like vito, but its not a standard.

 

[shredhead]

Okay, because i know that you "arent" supposed to get extract in the center tube. But i have heard of cleaning out the carts. All i can do is keep experimenting! I know i was inhaling right at the button push so maybe i will try to inhale before and after from now on.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Okay, because i know that you "arent" supposed to get extract in the center tube. But i have heard of cleaning out the carts. All i can do is keep experimenting! I know i was inhaling right at the button push so maybe i will try to inhale before and after from now on.

Yes please try this and load .5 grams at a time. This helps a lot also. Let me know how it goes.

Please understand this cartridge is still in its early stages, we keep improving it every other month with upgrades to it. The 1701's with all the data we have gathered will fix 99.9% of all issues, so it is more user friendly.

 

[shredhead]

I only put .5 at a time. My LHS could have older carts i dont know. I will try using 99% iso on this cart once i vape it down some more tonight. I bought a 5 pack with full intentions of burnin them up with experimenting.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

I only put .5 at a time. My LHS could have older carts i dont know. I will try using 99% iso on this cart once i vape it down some more tonight. I bought a 5 pack with full intentions of burnin them up with experimenting.

Let me know how it goes or if you need any help.