Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils
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OF
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Chicken soup: "Can't hurt, might help".....
Didn't do me much good, but might help others?
OF
MaxVapor
The Professor
@OF and JoeKickAss,
Thanks for the info regarding battery tester, and OF, thanks for checking that meter out! I feel like I have my own Consumer Reports!
I agree on both counts...
#1 Spending less on a multi-tasking device is a better idea. For other non-Omi related reasons I think I am going to be getting a bit into electronic circuit boards, so such a device would be useful to me there (I think). I am going to have to do a bunch of my own due diligence as well on this.
#2 I like non-automatic because I actually want to learn about and understand things, rather than just know how to perform tasks. But manual/automatic switching is useful too.
#3 The Multi-meter looks way cooler than the battery tester
I await word of your opinion on that meter.
I do like this about the model JKA (if I may call you that) posted:
Thanks for the info regarding battery tester, and OF, thanks for checking that meter out! I feel like I have my own Consumer Reports!
I agree on both counts...
#1 Spending less on a multi-tasking device is a better idea. For other non-Omi related reasons I think I am going to be getting a bit into electronic circuit boards, so such a device would be useful to me there (I think). I am going to have to do a bunch of my own due diligence as well on this.
#2 I like non-automatic because I actually want to learn about and understand things, rather than just know how to perform tasks. But manual/automatic switching is useful too.
#3 The Multi-meter looks way cooler than the battery tester
I await word of your opinion on that meter.
I do like this about the model JKA (if I may call you that) posted:
I may be able to get the wife to use that feature (not a knock on women and electronics)!!
OF
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You're welcome, of course, I'm happy to help folks out when I can....as are so many others around here if you haven't noticed?
Thank you for the kind words.
In the fun way things sometimes work, looks like Amazon will have it here tomorrow? If it is as the manual describes, we should have a winner:
http://equus.com/Content/Support/Manual/3310.pdf
I caught that '3 LED test function' bit as well. A couple of thoughts came to mind. First off, it's set up for cars and flashlights, not 3.7 Volt IMRs and 3.0 Volt LiPO4s like we want. This means it's likely to 'flunk' a good battery because it's less than six Volts? Secondly, it's doing the thinking for you again. I think we can get a lot more useful information by using the meter to take an unloaded voltage reading (using the normal VDC function) then using the battery tester function to put a load on the battery to repeat the measurement. The difference between the two can tell us way more than just a go/no go rating.....I hope.
Tomorrow will tell, with any luck at all. The key, I think, is how realistic is the load it offers.
Regards,
OF
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HVD update we will offer to types.
Tops with Momentary button
and
Tops with Click on/off.
Sorry but the IC inside the v2 can not support dual button function, this way i wont have anyone complain about their button some how got stuck on on position and fried a cart because they forgot.
Sorry but i already have experience with the Perfect idiot. Just trying to plan ahead.
HVD update we will offer to types.
Tops with Momentary button
and
Tops with Click on/off.
Sorry but the IC inside the v2 can not support dual button function, this way i wont have anyone complain about their button some how got stuck on on position and fried a cart because they forgot.
Sorry but i already have experience with the Perfect idiot. Just trying to plan ahead.
thc scientific i have some questions when you get a chance relating to the o-phos.. sort of curious why i cant hardly find any info on this.
i like the usb charger, because i can charge it in the car on my universal usb charger, or easily at home with my cell phone charger or laptop as well.. im curious why it was discontinued on the omicron v2 when it was there on the v1.
in the pictures i see, the cartridge doesnt have a mouthpiece like pictured on the rest.. is that because it doesnt have one, or it just isnt shown in the picture? id want an aluminum mouthpiece to match the chrome of the cartridge and the device itself.
how many hits does the battery last? im not a heavy duty toker i dont need super fat clouds. just regular sized hits.. id rather have a product that looks more discreet in a public setting than something that hits very fat.
is there smaller cartridges that might cut down on the overall length?
does it not come with a fill tool? if not how difficult is it to fill a cartridge without it?
and overall basically im just looking for as much into on the o-phos as you want to share, wondering what is different against say the v2 or the persei..
i noticed that the v2 has a seperate airway so the oil doesnt leak down.. is that a problem with the o-phos?
since the battery is internal, how much use can i get out of it before it needs to be replaced (im assuming that means buy a whole new device, or can the battery alone be replaced?)
i really like the look of the o-phos, its sleek and smaller than the v2, just wondering if theres anything i should be concerned about as far as choosing that over the v2.
i was curious also if the thermovape revolution dart would work with the o-phos? or if not if it would work with the v2? i believe your devices are 610 and theirs are 510 correct?
sorry for all the questions there is just so many options available its hard to decipher everything. i want to try my best to make the right decision the first time, dont have the money to get it wrong and buy something else. thanks.
oh also, if i was to use the revolution dart in one of your devices, does that mean id be using their heating element? is the device itself just the power source and the cartridge provides what heating element is being used?
i like the usb charger, because i can charge it in the car on my universal usb charger, or easily at home with my cell phone charger or laptop as well.. im curious why it was discontinued on the omicron v2 when it was there on the v1.
in the pictures i see, the cartridge doesnt have a mouthpiece like pictured on the rest.. is that because it doesnt have one, or it just isnt shown in the picture? id want an aluminum mouthpiece to match the chrome of the cartridge and the device itself.
how many hits does the battery last? im not a heavy duty toker i dont need super fat clouds. just regular sized hits.. id rather have a product that looks more discreet in a public setting than something that hits very fat.
is there smaller cartridges that might cut down on the overall length?
does it not come with a fill tool? if not how difficult is it to fill a cartridge without it?
and overall basically im just looking for as much into on the o-phos as you want to share, wondering what is different against say the v2 or the persei..
i noticed that the v2 has a seperate airway so the oil doesnt leak down.. is that a problem with the o-phos?
since the battery is internal, how much use can i get out of it before it needs to be replaced (im assuming that means buy a whole new device, or can the battery alone be replaced?)
i really like the look of the o-phos, its sleek and smaller than the v2, just wondering if theres anything i should be concerned about as far as choosing that over the v2.
i was curious also if the thermovape revolution dart would work with the o-phos? or if not if it would work with the v2? i believe your devices are 610 and theirs are 510 correct?
sorry for all the questions there is just so many options available its hard to decipher everything. i want to try my best to make the right decision the first time, dont have the money to get it wrong and buy something else. thanks.
oh also, if i was to use the revolution dart in one of your devices, does that mean id be using their heating element? is the device itself just the power source and the cartridge provides what heating element is being used?
had a good test smoke out last night at a Furthur concert. ended up with group of deadheads all vaping. One guy had this http://www.stokusa.com/home.htm the black pen style and he zonked me with his oils.
Unfortunately my omnicrom couldnt match taste and hit size (was using 1.4 carts) but when I get the new cart nails for oils i wil be all set. The only thing they had trouble with was the battery consumption. They had about 8 batteries with them for a 3 hour show but we were hitting it constantly. I am definately sold on cart that does not use and lose so much oil filling etc. Dabbers and herb chamber will make Persi Omni top dog!
But was fun to be with the new generation and vaping at a dead show... THANKS Omni
Also on the HVD upgrade I got one battery that wont work in small setup. On charger shows charged but when put in unit no work?
Unfortunately my omnicrom couldnt match taste and hit size (was using 1.4 carts) but when I get the new cart nails for oils i wil be all set. The only thing they had trouble with was the battery consumption. They had about 8 batteries with them for a 3 hour show but we were hitting it constantly. I am definately sold on cart that does not use and lose so much oil filling etc. Dabbers and herb chamber will make Persi Omni top dog!
But was fun to be with the new generation and vaping at a dead show... THANKS Omni
Also on the HVD upgrade I got one battery that wont work in small setup. On charger shows charged but when put in unit no work?
OF
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Howdy. Welcome to the fun, lots of neat stuff going on and for sure it's confusing enough for most anyone.....
I'm not THC, nor really related to them aside from owning a liking lots of their gear (as well as other makers), I'd like a lash at a couple of your questions from my POV?
I don't own an O-phos but I have several V1s (which they replace), a V2 and a bunch of others. I think the O-phos is what you're looking for. It's very e-cig like (in fact originally based on one) and will drive Omicron cart 'like it was made for it' (which of course it was). It can use any of many mouthpieces, comes with a short one, but most of us like the soft rubber ones that come with carts. It will also drive the TV Revolution/DART (basically a 1.5 Ohm cart like the optional Omicron offering) but you need one of these thread adapters to do so:
http://www.electronic-cigz.com/51ad.html
The Omicron carts are cheaper but expendables (last a few grams typically), the DART you can boil clean again. Omicron is fairly picky about concentrates (go for light colored waxes and thick oils for best results), DART will eat most anything although bubble hash and the like can foul it up fairly quickly and need cleaning. Omicron carts easily hold half a gram, often more, and feed all but the last .2 grams well if the concentrate and your technique are 'right'. DART needs a 'top up' every .05 grams or so (maybe 6 or 8 heavy hits).
The charge is good for maybe 100 hits (or a few more) but gets fairly weak before it stall out. On average Omicron gives hits of a few mg each (say 3) so you get maybe 300 to the gram. DART usually delivers thicker hits (guys seem to like that for some reason....), maybe 10 mg each. So maybe 100 to the gram (but you take fewer....)?
IMO a guy should get both systems, each has it's strong and weak points and they change back and forth in seconds.
I also recommend Planet Vape as a dealer (nothing wrong with THC of course, but let's support the guys that support us?). Excellent prices, fast free shipping, strong supporters of this forum, free offers (discounts and a free Omicron cart at the moment I think?):
http://www.planetvape.ca/vaporizers/0-phos.html
I'd suggest a box of 2.4 Ohm carts (or maybe a mixed one with a couple of 1.5s for later when you feel brave?) and a few 'Doob Tubes' to store them in (handy for lots of things as well) as well.
Good luck, lots of good choices out there, just stick with the gear that has strong Customer Support and large 'fan base' here and you'll do fine.
OF
tharealmclovin
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Ok here is my heatgun filling review.
Works just as expected if not better. Actually took less time than my cheap torch.
I had a cart that previously shorted right after filling. I used the heat gun to get the oil out and into a new cart. Not only did it come out easy and clean tasting, but I got every drop out without ever seeing a morsel of vapor. I checked with a scale and the cart is within 0.03 of its original weight.
I'd recommend the heat gun method.
Works just as expected if not better. Actually took less time than my cheap torch.
I had a cart that previously shorted right after filling. I used the heat gun to get the oil out and into a new cart. Not only did it come out easy and clean tasting, but I got every drop out without ever seeing a morsel of vapor. I checked with a scale and the cart is within 0.03 of its original weight.
I'd recommend the heat gun method.
Your buddy had yet another eGo-W - same as the G-Pen, but they charge even more!
-NDA
You can find the Ego-w on the Delta9vapes site under empty cartomizers.
$10 per ego-w and also comes with a adapter to work on Ophos, V1, V2, and Persei Models.
Caveat adapter is needed to work with the v2 and persei, ophos and v1 dont need the adapter. But the ego-w comes with it.
$10 per ego-w and also comes with a adapter to work on Ophos, V1, V2, and Persei Models.
Caveat adapter is needed to work with the v2 and persei, ophos and v1 dont need the adapter. But the ego-w comes with it.
OF
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Gentle friends,
My new meter just arrived. I've made a few measurements with it, enough to tell me it should do us just fine. It's the lowest featured of four models aimed at the service end of life (small appliances, automotive, home electrical, that kinda stuff). Some of the features a nerd might like are removed (no loss to us, IMO) and in exchange we get built in loads for battery testing (not a common feature). Of the four ranges offered for this the six Volt one seems to be the best call, as it presents a 60 Ohm load (for 100 mA with a six Volt battery) At the 4 Volts or so we'll be using I measured the load at 61 mA. It would be nice if it was a bit higher, but it will easily do what we need.
Using the normal DCV mode (20 Volts) I read 4.08 Volts on one typical IMR battery. Switching over to the 6 Volt battery test position I got 3.97 Volts, a loss of .11 Volts. This tells me this battery is nearly fully charged (would be 4.20 charged) and more important it's a good battery (in this case a 10440) in that the voltage drop under load was fairly minor and the same as the others in the box. A larger drop would point right at the weak one, even though off the charger it'll read 4.2 same as the rest. Switching to protected 18650 gave me .13 drop, but an IMR showed only .08 drop under the same conditions. Pointing to the advantage of the IMR for higher current applications (like we do). I also found a .03 Volt difference in the drop for the used RCR123As for my T1 and the new ones (or nearly new).
It's also quite capable of measuring Omicron carts. Using the 200 Ohm range. After subtracting the resistance for the leads (.4 Ohms IIRC), I measured several at 2.4 or 2.5 Ohms each. None of them had a bad heater, which would have read 4.8 or maybe 5.0 Ohms instead. A way to test carts before loading without heating them up (no looking for the glow) so it can't burn one out on the launch pad. The same technique (with different readings) works for the other resistance carts of course. You can check a five Ohm without having to change your Persei over and guess. Or risk the cart trying.
No doubt other tasks will come up (like testing the output voltage of power supplies, AKA 'batteries') as time goes on, but I'm confident it'll do a good job there as well. For sure there are more complex and expensive units out there but in this case simple and cheap (but still up to the task) gets the nod from me.
As another small, but to me nice, feature it uses two AAA batteries, not the typical 9 Volt batteries I seem to never have around. It also has a 15 minute time out so if you screw up and leave in on you don't come back to a dead battery.
Anyway, recommended for folks that want to poke at this stuff:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GKEXWA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
Lotsa 'bang for the buck' IMO, and it seems pretty tough and well made in the bargain.
OF
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
JoeKickass
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And if you know the difference between milli-Volts and Volts... or mΩ, Ω, and MΩ (factors of a thousand)
You might be interested in the model one step up (the one I have):
http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3320-Auto-Ranging-Digital-Multimeter/dp/B000EVYGZA/ref=pd_sim_auto_1
Has the same battery features but it automatically picks the most accurate range, for example:
A manual meter set at a certain range might read 2 or 3 ohms and you would have to switch it to the lower range to see the 2.4ohm reading.
The auto-range meter will automatically switch down until it gets an accurate reading so it can be faster, you just have to make sure you look at the letters it gives you. You could be wondering why your battery that reads 4.20 isn't working, but if the letters say mV that's only 0.0042V which is a very dead battery...
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
they are gross plastic only for use with ecig juice, imo. i do have one, for ecig juice and cover for cart switching
I've seen a few times stated that the Omi carts have two heaters of the same resistance. However, this doesn't match what I have measured on "reclaimed" carts. As JAM suggested a while ago, carts might be soaked in alcohol. The posts here at FC have said ISO, but I used 190 Everclear - 6 carts, three each 4 Ohm and 2.4 Ohm, soaked twice in a PET bottle with about an ounce (~30mls) for each. I recovered about 4.5g of yellow red oil. After the washings and drying for a few days, one of the 4.0 carts worked (and is on its second grams since now) and the two other 4 Ohms read open (i.e. completely fried), but the 2.4 Ohm carts give me two readings - 5.7 Ohms for two and 3.7 for the other. The cart which measures 3.7 Ohms (readings from the top on the flue tube and the center pin) will glow and the other two get warm. Because of this, I assume that the two heaters are different (i.e. 1/(1/3.7)+(1/5.7)=~2.24 or close to 2.4 Ohms) with more power (~60%) going to the furnace.
BTW. 4.5g from 6 carts is about what should be expected if carts die randomly during their lifetime (probably NOT true - more likely to die near empty), we'd expect the .2-.3g held below the wick and 50% of the average load above the wick - So a cart _randomly_ retired would average 5/8 of a gram (I guess I got a bit more than the 3.75 I'd expect with .25 below the wicks - with .3g below, the expected random remainder would be closer to .65g per cart).
This may also partially explain the "troubles" with "higher powered" carts dying prematurely more often. It seems to me that 4 Ohm carts can't feed the wick fast enough, even on the thinest oils - Maybe the proportion of current to the bulk heater could be greater (or maybe a larger wick for "higher powered" carts)?
-NDA
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
i'd really like to see a 6 ohm cart for 7.4v
OF
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Yer welcome, Bro. Anytime you need more advice on spending your money, let me know?
I honestly don't think you'll find any Ego cart fans here. Aside from short life, poor performance, bad taste and health concerns they are a few dollars cheaper.....
Ego carts are not designed to feed thicker stuff like oils. Folks after your money might try to convince you some modified version is 'the secret' but consider there's a LOT of us who've been down this path before....
If you're going to waste your money plowing the same field, please at least don't pay the rip off prices for your education?
I assume you meant "the 1.5 Ohm carts"? The Omicron ones. FWIW, I think most find the 2.4 Ohm versions taste better but don't put out the 'big clouds' some guys are looking for. I'm with them, if I'm not real careful the oil gets to tasting 'cooked' to me early on. My advice remains, 'learn to use them with 2.4s', you'll know when you've mastered it and are ready to try the added challenges of more heat. Don't try some shortcut you read about on the net.....
OF
OF
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I've only ever torn down 1.5, 2.4 and 4 Ohm carts. The heaters were of equal value. IIRC G confirmed this across the product line. I'm not sure I followed your logic, but I just measured them.
It sounds to me like in at least one case you have two good heaters (one of which you see) that's being misread due to contact or lead resistance (or other instrument related failure)? In the other two cases, one heater is out? I wouldn't count on seeing the glow in a used cart, that can disappear in a few dozen hits as deposits start to build up. Take a peek down the pipe on a working one, I think you'll agree.
Exactly right, which is why I think the heaters are matched in power, since the hotter vaporizer eats more oil, the feed heater has to heat more. It's just a rough scaling but I think that's the logic.
I think the higher powered carts burn out faster because they are higher powered. No matter how you slice it you're packing more Watts into the same small package. Something has to give.
Anyway, I believe the carts should read close to their advertised value, twice that if either heater opens (fails) and no connection for the (rare?) case where both are blown. My guess is if the feed heater goes, the vaporizer will follow when it runs dry? For sure the user isn't going to let up......
Excellent suggestion, Bob. It would be closer to the 'standard 2.4's' for sure. Still scary strong at a bit over 9 Watts. About on par with 1.5 Ohmers on 3.7 Volts. I'd try 'em, which I'm not about to do with fives....
OF
Any idea when these new HVD tops will be around?