Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

WatTyler

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
OF said:
My thought is THC is THC, so that part can't be the difference. It has to be in the 40% or so 'other stuff' in the concentrate. Waxes (more common with BHO?) should make it thicker, water, plant oils, chlorophyll and the like make it thinner?

OF
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I'm not so sure on this bit. I think it also heavily depends on the ration of THCA:THC. Of course, as you say OF, the other 40% odd constituent of the BHO is not insignificant. However, I've read that THCA is hard crystalline structure, whereas THC is a viscous consistency. As I'm sure some know THCA decarbed = THC, and so once subject to sufficient heat and fully decarbed (all THC) the oil no longer sets hard.

This would also be why oil from older bud is sometimes softer as more of the THCA has decarbed naturally, whereas the fresh stuff contains more THCA and so has a harder shatter consistency. So I've read. I've limited experience of this myself, but it fits in with that limited experiences.

So this understanding, which I don't claim to be correct, led me to query decarbing the oil first before loading in the cartridge in my earlier post. Unless I'm mistaken in my thinking decarbing before loading might be a beneficial. I'm also thinking that, as well as the hardness issue, as the oil heats and decarbs it bubbles away that extra CO2 (as well as those poor terps) and this bubbling must contribute to some degree to the poor feeding down to the bottom of the first chamber.....? Flat, inactive, viscous decarbed oil would be better. Does anyone more knowledgeable than I concur?
 
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druminfected

druminfected

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bruno13 said:
If you are ok using a file madvapes (and others) sell nice cheap Aluminum ones in 13 different colors.

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I was trying to ask you via conversation method where you got these tips from. I bought a few different ones, but crap! Didn't know you had to file them down bruno :( I thought these would fit.

Could you please take a picture of your tips showing the filed off tips? Also what did you use to file down the tips?
 
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bruno13

bruno13

insomniac
OF said:
I did exactly this with several plastic tips. Filed almost all the flange off.

However, I came across a subtle issue not expected; blocking the tube itself. I found the tip would seal on top of the bridge (helped by goo and oil collected). It still draws fine, but when pressure builds up (from heating the load and outgassing) there's no way for it to vent as it normally would. This puts pressure outside the furnace relative to the inside and oil leaks along the wicks and into the chamber happen. This oil then drains down making a huge ol' mess.

The fix is to notch or countersink the bottom of the hole in the mouthpiece so that it allows venting.

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The Al tip have a very large opening and I have not had any problems with leaking. When I refill I notice that it is messy around the bridge but It has neve leaked. i have some acrylic tip that have smaller opening. I only used one once and did not like the plastic. The Al also alows me to tell if the cart is getting hot.

@druminfected Just a plain old file. It was hard work. You need something to hold it and also be able to file carefully and evenly. The light blue one has not been filed. I got them at madvapes.com ($2.50)
http://www.madvapes.com/Anodized-Dripper-Tip_p_2940.html

Hopefully thc will offer something like these that fit.

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THC SCIENTIFIC

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
Manufacturer
Guys we have the Delrin drip tips and will be on the site next few days, and will be doing custom colored versions also. Just wait for it as we are building our inventories.
 
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Mflbparox

Member
im pretty sure we are all waiting for the herb cartridge not a glass mouthpiece to put on top of the omicron :\
 
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bruno13

bruno13

insomniac
Mflbparox said:
im pretty sure we are all waiting for the herb cartridge not a glass mouthpiece to put on top of the omicron :\
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Different people like different thing. I am not really interested in a herb cart at all. Living in a state where I can legally get clean CO2 extracted oil I have not bought nor consumed any raw cannabis since I received my omicron last September. I do however understand most peoples desire for a raw cannabis omicron. I am not actually interested in the glass mouthpiece either but I am interested in the nail since I like more solid forms of hashish also. Lots of people do like glass, though.
 
Jeppy

Jeppy

Pure Vaporist
I like the idea of the new tips, however, I prefer something simple and inexpensive. Not looking to adorn it. Actually, I too would be interested more in the herb cart more than anything else. I also have access to oil, wax, budder, but there was a time that the herb cart was the #1 thing in the making. I'm sure there were some sales made based on that 'hope'. I hope it doesn't 'go by the wayside' and that original v1 users aren't forced to upgrade in order to use it.
 
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OF

OF

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hatfieldsmama said:
delrin doesnt sound too great.... aluminum?
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Actually, as a proud owner of a Revolution (in addition to a few Omicrons.....) I've had the chance to try alternating Delrin and Aluminum mouth pieces on the same vape. For my money, Delrin has the nod in a couple of directions. Even bang your teeth on a heavy metal thing (like say the handle end of a fork)? I didn't like it, either. OK, so maybe I'm clumsy sometimes, but then Delrin is more pleasant....

No doubt the looks will be more important to some. Usually works out like that.

Hopefully you'll get a chance to try both for yourself?

Mflbparox said:
im pretty sure we are all waiting for the herb cartridge not a glass mouthpiece to put on top of the omicron :/
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Hey, I'm more than pretty sure THC has had that same thought a time or two. Aren't you? Well not all of us, of course. But surely some, indeed most likely most. It's not much of a secret what with folks looking for another update on every page in this thread since before Thanksgiving?

And no doubt G understands the volumes of a glass mouthpiece against herb carts, the margins to be had and all that good Capitalist stuff. It is a business for him, and he's shown some prowess in that aspect I think.

But I can't agree with what I think you believe, that the herb cart is somehow ready to show or produce or whatever and could be out tomorrow? Or really any sooner if he wasn't 'wasting his time' on other stuff. R&D is not at all like that. Which is why traditionally Engineering doesn't let Marketing start talking up the new product and never, never lets them take the prototype to 'show and tell'. Only grief can come from their perspective. Trust me on this, I worked for a place where the Suits took the prototype to 'the most important show of the year' (with the owner's blessing) only to return with the 'great news' that it had not only been sold but also installed by the local agent and had literally sailed over the horizon on the new owner's ship. It had died at sea (of course) and now we had to drop everything else and figure out what was wrong, how to fix it, meet the ship at the next port (Greece IIRC) and do the repair on a prototype that should never have been sent to sea in the first place. Neither the development nor that hardware were ready for sea trials, but that won't slow a true Salesman down much, will it?

In this case, Marketing and Engineering Management are one and the same. Like many a startup 'the old man makes that call'. G has opted to be aggressive and inclusive with this project. He's not only let us in on the details, but has done so very early in the process. I myself like this, and trust him to not only keep us up to date but let us in on the earliest possible date to get one......without our having to take turns asking for it?

Just an idea for consideration, late at night.

OF
 
druminfected

druminfected

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I'm not worried about the herb cartridge, it takes time for perfection. I would wait a few months longer for a awesome herb cartridge, rather than having a half working herb cartridge now, and complaining how it doesn't work. I should have waited a day and looked on FC about those W-9 cartridge tips, instead of impulse buying some ecig tips. :/ oh well. Maybe I can sell them off to my ecig friends heh.
 
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Silvercloud538

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OF said:
Actually, as a proud owner of a Revolution (in addition to a few Omicrons.....) I've had the chance to try alternating Delrin and Aluminum mouth pieces on the same vape. For my money, Delrin has the nod in a couple of directions. Even bang your teeth on a heavy metal thing (like say the handle end of a fork)? I didn't like it, either. OK, so maybe I'm clumsy sometimes, but then Delrin is more pleasant....

No doubt the looks will be more important to some. Usually works out like that.

Hopefully you'll get a chance to try both for yourself?



Hey, I'm more than pretty sure THC has had that same thought a time or two. Aren't you? Well not all of us, of course. But surely some, indeed most likely most. It's not much of a secret what with folks looking for another update on every page in this thread since before Thanksgiving?

And no doubt G understands the volumes of a glass mouthpiece against herb carts, the margins to be had and all that good Capitalist stuff. It is a business for him, and he's shown some prowess in that aspect I think.

But I can't agree with what I think you believe, that the herb cart is somehow ready to show or produce or whatever and could be out tomorrow? Or really any sooner if he wasn't 'wasting his time' on other stuff. R&D is not at all like that. Which is why traditionally Engineering doesn't let Marketing start talking up the new product and never, never lets them take the prototype to 'show and tell'. Only grief can come from their perspective. Trust me on this, I worked for a place where the Suits took the prototype to 'the most important show of the year' (with the owner's blessing) only to return with the 'great news' that it had not only been sold but also installed by the local agent and had literally sailed over the horizon on the new owner's ship. It had died at sea (of course) and now we had to drop everything else and figure out what was wrong, how to fix it, meet the ship at the next port (Greece IIRC) and do the repair on a prototype that should never have been sent to sea in the first place. Neither the development nor that hardware were ready for sea trials, but that won't slow a true Salesman down much, will it?

In this case, Marketing and Engineering Management are one and the same. Like many a startup 'the old man makes that call'. G has opted to be aggressive and inclusive with this project. He's not only let us in on the details, but has done so very early in the process. I myself like this, and trust him to not only keep us up to date but let us in on the earliest possible date to get one......without our having to take turns asking for it?

Just an idea for consideration, late at night.

OF
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Mouthpieces are important ,but leakproof carts are mandatory ,Pronto ! ~ you see there` are som of us ,who others don't seem to understand ,by distorting thought ~ hope me making myself absolutely clear when '"EVERYTIME ANYTHING WAXY / BUDDERY (INDICA) ISSUES INVOLVED INCLUDING DRAWING TECHNIQUE ,HEATING TIME !!'' (usually leading to leak syndrome) ~
Don't mean to rant on ,but can't be wasting anymore time/$$ on experimentation ~ that is all
 
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JoeKickass

JoeKickass

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silvercloud358 said:
Mouthpieces are important ,but leakproof carts are mandatory ,Pronto ! ~ you see there` are som of us ,who others don't seem to understand ,by distorting thought ~ hope me making myself absolutely clear when '"EVERYTIME ANYTHING WAXY / BUDDERY (INDICA) ISSUES INVOLVED INCLUDING DRAWING TECHNIQUE ,HEATING TIME !!'' (usually leading to leak syndrome) ~
Don't mean to rant on ,but can't be wasting anymore time/$$ on experimentation ~ that is all
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How many carts have you actually tried to fill?

I've filled over 20 and yes I did throw some away when I got them too hot, left them alone, and they leaked. Now I know to keep drawing if the cart is hot. But I can't see how THC could make a leakproof cart that can stand up to new users heating the cart to the point where all the oil becomes a liquid. And if he does come out with leakproof carts I bet they will have some other tradeoff...

Why not just keep experimenting instead of blaming the device? Try sticking to waxes and budder, they should be the easiest/most stable of all!
 
OF

OF

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silvercloud358 said:
Mouthpieces are important ,but leakproof carts are mandatory ,Pronto ! ~ you see there` are som of us ,who others don't seem to understand ,by distorting thought ~ hope me making myself absolutely clear when '"EVERYTIME ANYTHING WAXY / BUDDERY (INDICA) ISSUES INVOLVED INCLUDING DRAWING TECHNIQUE ,HEATING TIME !!'' (usually leading to leak syndrome) ~
Don't mean to rant on ,but can't be wasting anymore time/$$ on experimentation ~ that is all
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I'm still having trouble fully understanding you, but I'll try.

Nothing is mandatory here that I can see, some things more important than others perhaps but not even paying his taxes is mandatory (he has alternatives, unpleasant as they might be). On the topic of leaking carts, very very few folks seem to have troubles if they follow the guidelines. Real thin oils are a problem for some still I guess but I think it's safe to say that the average guy has several carts that aren't leaking and that most don't see leakers as a pressing issue.

And again, I think you alone link leaking to being Indica. No clue whatever here.

I'm sorry we can't help, but understand your desire for results not problems, and support your decision to cut your losses and try something else. The most important part is enjoying it in the end I think.

Good luck in your next attempt.

OF
 
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OF

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JoeKickass said:
I've filled over 20 and yes I did throw some away when I got them too hot, left them alone, and they leaked. Now I know to keep drawing if the cart is hot. But I can't see how THC could make a leakproof cart that can stand up to new users heating the cart to the point where all the oil becomes a liquid. And if he does come out with leakproof carts I bet they will have some other tradeoff...
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Wow! Great insight, Joe, thanks. Melting the load down does introduce more heat to the cart than it normally sees in service! Of course. That can cause a time related problem before it cools......

How about hooking a tube over the base when you melt the load down so you can blow air up through the cart through the process and until it's cool? Keep the inside of the furnace (and therefore most of the seal mass) cool as the melt down progresses. It would of course also cool the upper flue (inner tube) and cause some oil to stick there on the way down, but I bet it melts off as soon as the flue gets to working temperature the first time.

Seems to me my HA pump would do this job just fine if I throttled it back some......

What you say about tweaking the design on the thin end to stop leaks could lead to bad compromises for the top end shatters and the like. Time will tell. Maybe we'll even end up with two styles?

Thanks again for the fun thought.

OF
 
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JoeKickass

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I actually kind of do something like that with the really runny oils I get. I know the manual tells you not to pull hard but this is what I do to ensure that problem oils never make a mess:

Pull hard!
(until it's cold)

When your hitting it the runny oil should have no problems saturating the heater and you frequently get huge hits by drawing hard! And after,by drawing sharply when the cart is still warm you can ensure that all the oil that doesn't vapoprize is drawn up into the airtube above the heater. I do this every min or so until the cart cools and haven't had a leak since!

Yeah eventually you do get overflow out the top but it's a lot easier to melt that back down than to scoop all the oil out of your Omicron battery... Also keep the runny oil carts either upright or with the white cap on if you have to lay them down.
 
Silvercloud538

Silvercloud538

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JoeKickass said:
How many carts have you actually tried to fill?

I've filled over 20 and yes I did throw some away when I got them too hot, left them alone, and they leaked. Now I know to keep drawing if the cart is hot. But I can't see how THC could make a leakproof cart that can stand up to new users heating the cart to the point where all the oil becomes a liquid. And if he does come out with leakproof carts I bet they will have some other tradeoff...

Why not just keep experimenting instead of blaming the device? Try sticking to waxes and budder, they should be the easiest/most stable of all!
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Hey now JKA ,so far hav used (5) 2.4's ,(3) 1.5's ; (2) 2.4's ; (1) 1.5 burned/leaked/*INDICA ONLY

""wax"'(only use dispensary hi/end waxes/budders) ~ Sativas work like textbook (of course ,qwiker w/

1.5's)

Are you loading '"100% indica wax/budder"' in any carts ??
For som reason ,no one else ,so far ,seems`to be encountering this issue ?/?

Not being an engineer ,me would hav to '"guess"' the "'seals"' not holding up to intense heat from timer bypass overheat ?/?

Psst ... unfortunately ,not financially able to ''keep experimenting"' :)
 
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tharealmclovin

tharealmclovin

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I'm kinda bummed. I ordered my Version 2 Omicron 2 days before my buddy ordered his to my house. Today the mailman wakes me up with a package. Not for me though, for my buddy. Luckily I have a version 1 still. :bang:
 
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