No cough: load weed - evaporate temperature range concentrate

[staircase slight of hand]

I tried to give this a bit more of a chance but their website wouldn’t even allow me to view it because I’m a “recreational user” and not some kind of professional. Perhaps the idea is great, but I’m not going to fight these ridiculous barriers that the creator has made to shut out the unworthy.

 

[Vaporware]

...I’ll tell you the secret that supposedly kids who want to watch porn can’t figure out; you just have to say what it wants you to say. No consequences for lying to a web page.

Also, I think there might be a language issue here. Instead of recreational vs medical I think they mean a casual user who occasionally takes a hit off a friend’s pen vs someone who has a VapBong on all day. Is that right, @terac.one ?

Either way I’d probably remove that secondary barrier because I think it’s more likely to turn people away than interest or inform them.

 

[terac.one]

The heatgun thing is a turnoff, since they aren't all safe to inhale from. And leaving a heatgun running for 20 minutes seems unsafe.

Of course. We insist that your heatgun should be with a ceramic heater and thermal control. Leave the chamber in the nozzle of the correct heatgun - is absolutely safe. As an experiment, we tried to increase this time to 12 hours. Everything was fine, nothing burned and the stuff did not evaporate extra terpenes.

 

[terac.one]

Have you ever tried just loading it with concentrate instead of starting with the bud extraction?

Of course. We tested terac.one with more than 30 varieties of marijuana and several kinds of concentrate. Everything works great.

 

[terac.one]

Good stuff, man! I’m sorry you can’t produce it yourself, but I appreciate you sharing it with the community!

Thank you! Unfortunately, we live in a country where even talking about marijuana on the Internet is a criminal offense

 

[Ramahs]

I normally only use reclaim for edibles because it tastes like shit to vape reclaim.

 

[terac.one]

I normally only use reclaim for edibles because it tastes like shit to vape reclaim.

That's right. If you use reclaim after Traditional Vaping - then the taste, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired. He's disgusting.

However, the TRC-vaping eliminates this drawback.

Also, TRC-vaping is excellent help in a situation when you have a lot of weak weed, but you want to receive strong impressions without stretching through the easy cubic meters of steam. Only the small concentrated cloud interesting to us cannabinoids, terpenes and flavonoids.

 

[Ramahs]

That's right. If you use reclaim after Traditional Vaping - then the taste, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired. He's disgusting.

However, the TRC-vaping eliminates this drawback.

Also, TRC-vaping is excellent help in a situation when you have a lot of weak weed, but you want to receive strong impressions without stretching through the easy cubic meters of steam. Only the small concentrated cloud interesting to us cannabinoids, terpenes and flavonoids.

Whatever you say

 

[terac.one]

I'm using a Google Translator. Excuse me

 

[Ramahs]

Yeah, Google translate can be terrible sometimes.

 

[notams]

It's presumptive (and wrong) to make a blanket statement of basically "vape = severe cough". To who? You? Not me. Maybe you're doing it wrong. It's kind of like you saying "eating = upset stomach". Well, yeah if you a eat dozen hot wings and a tub of ice cream. But, If you eat my bland oatmeal you're guaranteed no upset stomach. Yay! Bland oatmeal!

You are wrong. Just wrong. I vape all day, every day and I don't have a "severe" or even mild cough. Dude, lower your temps if you have a "severe cough" from vaping.

I understand there is also some consideration of allergic reactions that cause throat irritation. This has zero to do with temps and is just plain allergic reaction. It's my opinion most coughs stem from throat irritation and not lung absorption. Better pariculate filtering is the soltion to that.

On the subject of lung absorption and the 'waxey' effects of cannabinoids on the alveoli. This is not related to temperature but just the way human lungs deal with cannabis vapor. The effect can only cause coughing if you're coughing due to a lack of oxygen and your bodies reflexes are overriding your 1970s stoner idea that "holding the toke" is needed. It's not. Once again, most coughing is from throat irritation and not waxey build up on lungs. If you're coughing from your lungs you're vaping wrong.

Did I learn this from my extensive medical training? No. Just from low temp vaping. Try it. I also researched and mess around with deep breathing techniques from several yoga practices. There's great videos and websites dedicated to proper vape inhaling. I recommend healer.com with Dr Sulak - gamechanger when I was a newbie.

User error of vape devices is usually the underlying cause of a condemnation of the process. But, I do appreciate the desire to improve cannabinoid delivery processes. Please don't vilify the process. Maybe vilify devices or practices. But, back off making vaping out to be some sort of lung destruction process. This is fuck combustion not fuck vaporization.

Edit: well, that's gonna be a complete shitshow through Google translate.

 

[terac.one]

It's my opinion most coughs stem from throat irritation and not lung absorption. Better pariculate filtering is the soltion to that.

Of course, the strength of your throat's and lung's response to the vapor cloud is more of an individual feature of YOUR body.

We conducted hundreds of experiments with a dozen volunteers and revealed a simple pattern:

The more low-temperature substances (substances whose boiling point is lower than 100°C) in the inhaled cloud, the higher the probability that a person will cough.

If for Traditional vaping you use weed which very-very-very much long dried before, then the most part of low-temperature "flying" and "superflying" substances already left your weed in the natural way. And the probability of coughing will be low.

If for Traditional Vaping you are using an under-drained weed, or commercial weed (having accumulated a lot of fertilizers, chlorophil, etc.), then with a high degree of probability you will feel the desire to cough.

TRC-vaping is a great option for vaping if the original quality of your weed leaves much to be desired.

 

[maremaresing]

I keep forgetting to say this but- Thank you for providing the build file on your site. I have no access to build this, but it's a nice gesture.

So, I actually understand a bit of what terac.one is getting at. I've seen reports of people finding the low temp stuff irritating to sensitive lungs/throat. It's a "not oxygen" thing you are inhaling, and some people are sensitive. I definitely don't think we should be vilifying vaporization, so wording should be changed.

The spin, and appeal, is really that I guess you inhale/exhale nothing at all. The compounds are nearly invisible and unable to be felt in the throat/lungs? But the effects are there?

 

[WelshBrok]

Yeah I actually get the whole medical user only thing now and why it says “Those who use marijuana for recreational purposes are unlikely to find anything valuable here as well.”

Imo for recreational users like myself the impact on taste is a much more important factor than if I cough a bit but I assume to med users taste doesn’t matter as it’s more about comfortably being able to consume a medicine.

 

[terac.one]

The spin, and appeal, is really that I guess you inhale/exhale nothing at all. The compounds are nearly invisible and unable to be felt in the throat/lungs? But the effects are there?

If I understand your question correctly... Almost yes.

In TRC-vaping, the composition of the final cloud of steam is more dependent on the high-temperature terpene-cannabinoid-flavonoid profile of a particular weed variety. We tried the TRC cooking process of the same amount of weed with different varieties, and in most cases the size of the final cloud is several times smaller (up to 10 times) than the cloud, which is obtained with the same amount of weed using the traditional vaping method.

It cannot be said that the cloud is generally invisible - this depends more on the amount of weed. The more weed you load - the more steam

As for the effect, look at our charts. You can personally check the boiling point of certain terpenes or cannabinoids in chemical manuals.

The effect of TRC-vaping is absolutely identical to the effect of traditional vaping.

 

[invertedisdead]

The effect can only cause coughing if you're coughing due to a lack of oxygen and your bodies reflexes are overriding your 1970s stoner idea that "holding the toke" is needed. It's not.

Well holding in the vapor increases absorption considerably, this was demonstrated decades ago with the Volcano vaporizer.

Evaluation of a vaporizing device: https://www.researchgate.net/public...he_pulmonary_delivery_of_tetrahydrocannabinol

But I agree that holding hits til you explode is not necessary!

Also, TRC-vaping is excellent help in a situation when you have a lot of weak weed, but you want to receive strong impressions without stretching through the easy cubic meters of steam. Only the small concentrated cloud interesting to us cannabinoids, terpenes and flavonoids.

Have you ever tried rosin?

 

[terac.one]

Have you ever tried rosin?

I think you're right. TRC-vaping - in effect and logic - is most similar to rosin. The main difference is that to get rosin you need a press, and for TRC you need terac.one and heatgun (or oven with convection and skilled hands)

 

[Ramahs]

And the BEST part of rosin is in how it preserves more of the tasty stuff than many other extraction methods!

 

[terac.one]

And the BEST part of rosin is in how it preserves more of the tasty stuff than many other extraction methods!

I disagree. Live Resin preserves more of the tasty stuff than Rosin. As for TRC - in taste, effect and logic - this is Rosin without a press.

 

[Easywider]

 

[lazylathe]

@terac.one

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[terac.one]

@terac.one

Ok

 

[CatchDoubleDuece]

Just came form another thread where an athlete (runner) made the cardinal mistake of claiming his lung health is worse after vaping vs smoking cannabis for both his pre- and post-work out sessions and was asking for any advice. I have to admit, this made me feel a tad intimidated to share my story here which is also similar to my wife's, where the transition to vaping has been difficult due to the undesirable irritation and cough reflex which seems much much more violent than coughing inhaled smoke, almost as if my lungs cannot process oxygen for a few moments until it dissipates (minutes). This is also a built up sensation, the first few hits only tickle and pepper a bit in the back of my throat...it's almost as if all would be well if I just waited a few minutes between each hit because the sensation does dissipate relatively quickly and eventually I get a small wet phlegmy lump in my throat that I can clear without the need to cough.

Also both my wife and I recognize an asthmatic type reaction and it very well could be allergic reaction to something that mostly gets wiped out when smoking which explains why it is experienced when vaping but not so much when smoking. (?)

Things to note:

We both are veteran consumers, i.e. daily cannabis smokers for 30+ years. We both smoked cigs too, for near 20 years (pack a day) and have been tobacco free for nearly 10 years now, cannabis only. We do consider the past tobacco use could play a factor but outside of vaping neither of us have any long term issues with smoking, i.e. no cough, no more tar coming - it stopped a few years after quitting and we both are active and athletic and don't get winded doing any cardio.

We also have a flower collection from all over, not just one source and most provide lab test results, we've even verified while vaping Cannibis Cup winning herb from a well-known grower her in San Diego and even still produced this negative effect so we're very confident it's not "bad weed".

We've also tried many brand name vapes including the Volcano but our daily driver is an Arizer EQ w/ DDave 18mm mod.

Don't get me wrong, the flavor and the high is great and I'm not dogging on vaping AT ALL, just saying, for some it's not a picnic out the gate. Some of us have to work for it. And that's what I've done with some basic experimenting.

Here's the low-down of what I've found work so far:

I also tried @terac.one 's suggestion setting my EQ temp to 100c and letting my herb (approx. 0.15 grams) bake at that temp for approx. 20min to burn off anything undesired that vaporizes below that temp. I gave it a stir @ 10m.

I then cranked it up to 165c, gave it another stir, waited about a minute and then filled a bag on fan speed 3. This produced approx. half the milk it would have if I had not performed the 20m bake off but the flavor is still decent, I still feel the effects and there is minimal irritation to my throat and lungs. I do not feel my throat swelling and a heaviness in my chest, i.e. that hypoxia-type feeling where your trap muscles get tight and a tad sore with each inhale...it's nearly 100% absent. This was both my experience and my wife's. However, this was only part 1 of a 3 part sesh.

Next I cranked it up to 180c, gave my bowl a stir and filled the 2nd bag at fan speed 2. This time was still ok for me but my wife had to quit. She had enough irritation to no longer participate. The milk was slightly more than the 1st bag. Towards the end of the bag I had slight irritation but not enough to make me cough and it settled as soon as some phlegm built up for me to clear.

The 3rd and final sesh I cranked it up to 195, gave it a final stir, and filled the bag at fan speed 1. The milk was roughly 80-90% the previous bag but I wound up coughing before the end of the sesh but the cough was much more mellow than below, not "convulsive" where it feels I'm going to cough my lung out my body but typical to what I've experienced with smoking, more of a burn than a foot on your chest feeling.

The good news - we are making progress playing with temps and such. The 100c bake off is def not convenient time-wise and hopefully my body will adapt to the point that part becomes unnecessary.

Long story I know but I'm experimenting and I hope this information might help someone else with this more uncommon experience with vaping cannabis. Cheers!

 

[KeroZen]

You only do bags? Those make me choke too, way too much at once. Tried sipping smaller hits from other vaporizers?

 

[CatchDoubleDuece]

Uh not exclusively, I like using the whip both w/ and w/out the fan but for these tests it seemed appropriate for consistency in the documentation process. i.e. instead of 10 x 3sec draws at 165c, but each person still draws at a different rate/volume where with the bags it's irrelevant.

Maybe I'm thinking too much into it?

I can still sip directly from the bags too rather than taking in as much capacity as possible (which is common w/ bags), but when using water filtration (even w/ the whip) I prefer taking near volume hits and only sip when taking direct hits from the whip or a handheld.

I do prefer the whip when sharing and the fan reminds me of that device used in Nice Dreams for the smoking lizard bit...not sure if it helps with absorption or not but I like putting the forced air under my tongue when I sip off the whip while also not having to pull for so long.

Just did another sesh and had no issues with cough, 175, 190 and 210. 0.15g of some coarse-ground Blue Dream sitting @ 100c for 20min, 3 bags, approx. 15min of sesh time, which is the biggest downside but I am totally medicated and was able to avoid the wheeze. (that's what my wife and I have dubbed it).

My hopes are that in a few days or a few weeks this process will become less of a need as i find each sesh now easier than the previous.