Thanks for the heads up! I didn't know anyone actually made ceramic pads like that! I will certainly be trying those out alongside the other options I have been considering for convection vaping with my D-nail Herb adapter
Had there been private info in her email I would have definitely not posted it. Instructions for proper assembly of the slim series bases didn't strike me as confidential
Perhaps the reason the outer wall of your quartz halo isn't conducting heat well is because the big washer doesn't come into contact with the dish around the rim
Did some testing on the CCA turtle banger today. Able to run it about 15 degrees cooler than the quartz halo, doing bigger dabs and seeing very little residual vapor trails after a dab. Again ceramic takes the cake for big, thick, low temp dabs but the turtle banger can handle some decent size dabs and the hits are super tasty. Loving the storm cell too. Just wish it had a ball point dabber instead of the spatula it currently has.
On a side note the D-Nail 1.2 is spot on with the 20mm barrel coil. It over shoots by only 1 degree when heating up and only drops a degree or 2 on big dabs.
A third hand base and cross-lock tweezers work awesome for torching SiC clean and holding sapphire while it cools
I had to google the CCA turtle banger- found it on amazon lol. At $65 I'm tempted to just pick one up for my best friend- he told me not to buy him a nail because of the expense (he was originally going to contribute to me buying him a SiC or Quartz halo within the rest of my upcoming D-nail order, but for various reasons he doesent want to anymore, and doesn't want me to spend so much buying it outright since I'm already spending so much on my personal setup. Also he reports that his XL quave bangers are treating him quite well lol
but $65 is cheap. Also since he torches I imagine the TI sleeve will make the quartz last longer.I presume by ceramic you mean the SiC dish? If I get a nice tax return, I'm going to have to buy my friend one of those regardless of the cost. I really think he will benefit from its capability to run large dabs at lower temps than quartz.
Now that I think about it, I should probably wait until I have my setup to buy my friend anything- this way he can see what he thinks of convection dabbing. I'm also hoping he can find some opportunity to try out a d-nail again, but this time try either turning down the temperature or even turning the unit off mid-dab (he sold his d-nail because the continuous heat bothered his throat). Also I don't think he ever used his d-nail below ~700f, so if he could try a SiC on a D-nail at 5-600f that might make a difference as well. I suppose we will have to play it by ear.
Either way, more impressions are always appreciated- as much as he is enjoying his Quave XL bangers, I want to give him the birthday gift of an even better expereince!
@herbivore21
D-nail flower adapter and errlectric strike me as somewhat similar, d-nail seems to be able to get more clouds with flowers (comparing to videos I have seen from people like @DieHard - I've not used one myself though so may be missing some nuance here) but then errlectric allows dabbing too which dnail does not. Both require stirring for larger loads IIRC. Errlectric has more separate parts. Very similar units on the whole though.
I think it comes down to whether you want to dab on the herb nail and whether you want to use an enail controller which for other nails is going to mean you cannot change heaters without changing nail because the two are one. This really is the deal breaking/making difference between the two product IMO.
For me, I don't dab on the same rig that I use flowers on. Never have. I prefer much more percolation and a considerably bigger can for flower hits than for dabbing (of course this is personal preference - ain't no right or wrong here!). I have a separate dnail 1.2 with flower adapter on my luke wilson rig, while I use my ninja 1.2 on my SiC/Quartz/broken sapphire halos (OMG my replacement sapphire halo arrives tomorrow or the day after!!!!!!!!) on my Kevin Murray piece. That way flower hits and dabs are always ready on demand
For my 2 cents, if you want to do convection dabs only (sounds like it), then get the d-nail flower adapter. Less parts needed and you don't wanna dab conduction anyway from the sound of it!? The d-nail flower adapter is also compatible with a broader variety of controllers which will mean it can be had much cheaper. I will highlight though - DO NOT BOTHER WITH THE ANALOG CONTROLLERS FOR FLOWER ADAPTERS!
Way too easy to accidentally combust with flowers due to inaccuracy of temp on dial of analogs to actual temp (these do not correlate with temps on dial of digital units at all IME and I've used two different analogs now!).
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To be clear, I am indeed going for a Lotus flower adapter (along with a mini ninja nail- I would have gone with the full ninja but I'm not sure which rig will accompany my lotus yet)- the delay on my purchase has been due to indecision over what to buy for my best friend. My curiosity about the errlectric is mostly "academic"- also I'm keen to pick up whatever tips I can find to get the results I want from the convection approach.
As far as rigs go, it appears that some in this thread consider them off-topic, but I disagree- as long as the discussion is around optimal rigs for our e-nail setups. Personally, I still have a lot of exploring to do as far as rigs are concerned- mostly because I still have yet to find my ideal vaping setup (though I am quite confident that the lotus will be it for me based on my previous experiences). On the other hand, I have been fortunate enough to hit a lot of really nice rigs, as my best friend is a high-end glass enthusiast (mostly with an arizer solo, thermovape cera, or source orb/Kind MD Vapes Sslim oil pen)
I have actually found that my preferences between pieces tend to stay the same whether I am vaping flowers or oil- but this is likely because I have a very small tolerance, and am usually looking for very specific effects (and thus tend to be forced into a more smaller rips approach to vape at very low temps). On the other hand, I suspect I agree with Herbivore in theory if not in practice- which is to say, there is a particular temperature range I like my vapor to be within when it gets to my mouth, and I will sacrifice some flavor to achieve the added diffusion (percolation) and water cooling (Can size, water level in the rig) necessary to maintain said temperature range.
The other big variable, IMO, is airiness- which I presume is the air to vapor ratio of a given rig. For example, my best friend owned both a Mothership Fab Egg and a Mothership Mini-beaker for the longest time- and he never could decide which one he preferred. I suspect the biggest reason for this is that the Fab Egg delivers airier hits (imo) than the mini beaker (percolation is actually similar between the two, as IIRC they both have Mothership's seed of life percs on them). I think the mini beaker gives a touch more water cooling, but I would have to ask my friend. Personally, I prefer the Mini beaker- I presume because with the small, low-temperature rips I take, the fab egg has too much airflow for me, resulting in a drop in flavor density. Of course, the wide variance in percolation between pieces can make these kinds of comparisons much more difficult.
So I guess the TL,DR of all that I just posted is that everyone has a different dabbing style, and everyone has different temperature and air to vapor ratios they prefer- so (as we all seem to agree already) everyone's rig needs are different. On the other hand, I feel it is extremely helpful to hear impressions of the "airiness," amount of water cooling, and flavor density of various rigs, when presented in context and relative to other rigs. In a dream world there would be a review website doing some hardcore CFD/flow bench style testing of various rigs so we could all have hard data as well, but we ain't that mainstream yet....
For my income mini ninja nail/ Lotus adapter setup, I am opting for one of these:
A Grav Labs Diffusion pump. I wish the website I am getting it from (big black friday sale) had the latest version:
which shows that it's not a copy but an authorized "collab," but what ya gonna do right... at least the other one comes in a black label version...
I am choosing this piece because I really love flavor density (which this design has in spades from what I hear- and my best friend has hit one) and I don't think I will need the airiness that would come from a more conventional design/more percolation given the small hits I favor. At the very least, I'm willing to pay the ~$120-130 to find out.
Hope that wall of text was of some use to someone...
Edit: sorry for the obnoxiously long post! Edit 2: anyone know if Healthstones are actually inert? I just realized they might be perfect instead of metal pad for convection vaping!
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this thread- you guys are so helpful! I had no idea the mini ninja used a PID inferior to the standard D-nail! The price is amazing on that High5 unit- I just worry because the warranty is void if you use it with other nails. On the other hand, that kit is so cheap that I bet it really wouldn't be all that expensive if I had to replace just the control unit. I have been leaning towards a d nail controller since the Lotus flower adapter is designed for them, but given that with the lotus I am setting the temp of the coil within it and not the air, perhaps this isn't necessary.
