rolln_j
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@heady blunts trust me when I say they will hook it up - diane there is amazeballs!
next generation e-nails?
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Gonzo_da_wind
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So this thread seems so be incomplete in considering all aspects of a "Next Generation Enail setup"...Ive read through the information and discussion already posted in this thread and had a thought occur to me...we've discussed the Temperature controller unit ,the type and size of heating coil, the vaporization "nail" ...but there seems to be no input on a vital portion that has to included for someone to complete anything that can be consider the newest and greatest enail dab setup...Im talking about the rig/pipe/device through which the vapor travels before being inhaled.....So exactly what do you think is the best vapor delivery method speciffically for the next gen enail system ...what good is having the best nail/coil combo if you dont have a way to deliver that tastey potent vapor to you
weenstoned
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There's a glass sub forum which is probably why it doesn't come up in this thread.
Gonzo_da_wind
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But in relation to this the topic of this thread . What are peoples experience and opinions as to the best kinda of rig to use to dab with an enail configuration. Why? What specific qualities are you looking for in the perfect rig for enail use. Is there a difference between the best rig for a banger style enail setup and the best rig for traditional style nails...
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Oh wow ... supposed to be 685 F not 885 F
Monsoon
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IMO the only consideration is whether it will tip over with the e-nail attached, aside from that it's all personal preference. The Cheap Bubbler thread might be a good place for more specific advice.
slowandsteady
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Is anyone else wondering if D-Nail will come out with a Ceramic Halo? If I go the route of D-Nail, I think I would be nice to have the option.
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alittledabwilldoya'
Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
^^^ SiC is a ceramic.
rolln_j
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@Gonzo_da_wind - this thread is titled next generation e-nail - there are already discussions about tube size and bubblers where you can go ask these questions - plz and thanks
so whats the qtip tech - Im out of the loop - you qtipping the halo after each hit - or after each session as the nail cools?
so whats the qtip tech - Im out of the loop - you qtipping the halo after each hit - or after each session as the nail cools?
They sell a Hive Ceramic nail compatible with their heater coils:
http://www.d-nail.com/hive-ceramics-d-nail-compatible-ceramic-nail-20mm
Monsoon
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I dab normally at 750F, then as soon as I finish the hit, I run a q-tip around the inside of the dish to soak of as much residue as I can. Have to do it every dab so the oil doesn't have a chance to burn and so the dish is clean each time. It reduces the need for high heat cleaning too, you can do 2-4 dabs in quick succession and as long as you qtip after each one, they should all taste pretty much the same since there's no residue or carbon offsetting the flavor.
herbivore21
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The discussion on the slim series assembly seemed off to me as the heater retainer is only 21 or 22 mm (don't have one right in front of me so can't measure) meaning if you use it to evenly distribute heat across the dish you would only be heating the inner 2/3 of the dish leaving the outer rim unheated. I contacted d nail this morning and this is what Diane had to say:
"Good Afternoon Rob,
It will go below the coil.
So assembly from bottom to top would be -
base -> little washer -> heatsink -> large washer -> coil -> dish
I hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Diane S. - D-NAIL® Customer Service Specialist"
A titanium washer to evenly distribute the heat sounds like a good idea but it'd have to be the same diameter as the dish itself. The new heater retainer does work great with the Infiniti base instead of the small dish, though.
Greetings. First of all sorry to all that it took me so long to get back to some of these. I have had a seriously hellish end of year period with more work than anyone should have at the least hectic times of year let alone the silly season!
I should highlight that yes, the slim series is designed to have the ti washer below the heater. However, this was NOT the first utility of the ti washer, which was originally released with first run sapphire halos in order to even out conduction of heat onto the dish (at the expense of requiring slightly hotter coil temps).
What I meant to say is that I have found this to be beneficial across the board for all halos except SiC. Less pooling/trails on quartz especially! I have many of these washers on hand so I can use them wherever I like though, so if anyone wants to try out what I'm doing, you may need an additional washer
P.S. I hate to be that guy and I know you mean no harm at all but I need to say this for all to see:
Guys can we please be mindful not to post private communications publicly like this? Don't we have a policy against posting private communications between two parties without the consent of the other party? I would not bring this up if I did not have good reason to either, I know I'm no mod or anything and I don't wanna kick up a stink, but I know this kind of thing can cause problems for even the most innocuous communications.
I need to reiterate once again for all who are saying that sapphire inserts in halos are not convective that I have seen the pressure flow modelling and know quite a bit about the design of the halos and how they work from the man who designed them himself!
I can tell you unequivocally that the material is almost entirely being vaporized using convection - with almost NO conduction (remember, again, you are NOT meant to leave the sapphire insert on the halo to just conduct heat - it is meant to be inserted into the nail only immediately before you carb and hit, with material already on the insert before it gets on the nail!).
@DieHard bro this is obviously not directed at you, you don't even own this product and have not commented on it, but I want to be very, very clear here for any readers who may get the wrong idea.
Back on topic though, I have had great success with the same method using my dnail flower adapter
It beats out the flavor of all but the sapphire halo or sapphire insert IME! I am sure you have found the same with convection herb nail dabs I can also get small loads to extract in 1 hit with the dnail flower adapter, however I use flowers almost 0% of the time lol - when I do, I use much larger loads that cannot be extracted in one hit since my dosage requirements are larger than what a small flower load will give.
Sounds like both flower adapter are on the whole a case of trade-offs being made with each and there isn't a clear winner necessarily.
This is a great post, especially with regard to ceramic heating element! Please do be careful not to damage it! Spot on with the SiC torching too, you only need to torch the bottom of the dish concentrated on the same single spot towards the outer edge of the bottom
I torch for the full 70 seconds and then wait 90 seconds for cool down. This will give you full melt dabs consistent with doing the same on an enail heater with the SiC 
D-nail flower adapter and errlectric strike me as somewhat similar, d-nail seems to be able to get more clouds with flowers (comparing to videos I have seen from people like @DieHard - I've not used one myself though so may be missing some nuance here) but then errlectric allows dabbing too which dnail does not. Both require stirring for larger loads IIRC. Errlectric has more separate parts. Very similar units on the whole though.Cool! I'm actually about to buy a D-nail with Lotus Adapter for the exact same purpose
Would love to hear more!
I think it comes down to whether you want to dab on the herb nail and whether you want to use an enail controller which for other nails is going to mean you cannot change heaters without changing nail because the two are one. This really is the deal breaking/making difference between the two product IMO.
For me, I don't dab on the same rig that I use flowers on. Never have. I prefer much more percolation and a considerably bigger can for flower hits than for dabbing (of course this is personal preference - ain't no right or wrong here!). I have a separate dnail 1.2 with flower adapter on my luke wilson rig, while I use my ninja 1.2 on my SiC/Quartz/broken sapphire halos (OMG my replacement sapphire halo arrives tomorrow or the day after!!!!!!!!) on my Kevin Murray piece. That way flower hits and dabs are always ready on demand
These kinds of factors in the end will probably inform your decision more than anything - how do you want to use it?For my 2 cents, if you want to do convection dabs only (sounds like it), then get the d-nail flower adapter. Less parts needed and you don't wanna dab conduction anyway from the sound of it!? The d-nail flower adapter is also compatible with a broader variety of controllers which will mean it can be had much cheaper. I will highlight though - DO NOT BOTHER WITH THE ANALOG CONTROLLERS FOR FLOWER ADAPTERS!
Way too easy to accidentally combust with flowers due to inaccuracy of temp on dial of analogs to actual temp (these do not correlate with temps on dial of digital units at all IME and I've used two different analogs now!).
Continued....
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herbivore21
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Pt 2.
Oh man, I feel for you there, so close but so far! I'm sure they'll get it out to you quick smart though
Look forward to hearing your thoughts when you finally get a chance to use your precious!
Words to live by brother on keeping torching of quartz to an absolute minimum!
I have similar views to you on quartz vs SiC, but there isn't a clear winner between the two, just trade offs IMO. One will suit some usage cases better than the other.
On 120v heaters (I have 220v and 120v) and with the ti washer between heater and quartz halo, I use 662f on the quartz. Slightly longer hit but taste is so much better. When you've dabbed on sapphire, anything hotter just tastes like wasting the taste of the dab. Without the ti washer, perhaps try 630 or so.
Remember, this is still quartz and the machining can only help us so much. You still will ultimately face a lesser extent of that well-known quartz trade-off between flavor+trails vs less flavor+quicker vaporization.
Protip: DO NOT GET YOUR DAB ONTO THE OUTSIDE WALLS OF THE QUARTZ HALO! These do not conduct heat well at all! Aim for the machined wik surfaces or the inner wall under the ti locking nut if you must
thanks @alittledabwilldoya' ! I will follow your tips!
unfortunately d-nail shipped me only the halo and none of the slim series base pieces
I don't have any other bases so I guess it just has to wait in its tiny little box until they fulfill my order. I am sad.
Oh man, I feel for you there, so close but so far! I'm sure they'll get it out to you quick smart though
Look forward to hearing your thoughts when you finally get a chance to use your precious!
Words to live by brother on keeping torching of quartz to an absolute minimum!
I have similar views to you on quartz vs SiC, but there isn't a clear winner between the two, just trade offs IMO. One will suit some usage cases better than the other.
On 120v heaters (I have 220v and 120v) and with the ti washer between heater and quartz halo, I use 662f on the quartz. Slightly longer hit but taste is so much better. When you've dabbed on sapphire, anything hotter just tastes like wasting the taste of the dab. Without the ti washer, perhaps try 630 or so.
Remember, this is still quartz and the machining can only help us so much. You still will ultimately face a lesser extent of that well-known quartz trade-off between flavor+trails vs less flavor+quicker vaporization.
Protip: DO NOT GET YOUR DAB ONTO THE OUTSIDE WALLS OF THE QUARTZ HALO! These do not conduct heat well at all! Aim for the machined wik surfaces or the inner wall under the ti locking nut if you must
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alittledabwilldoya'
Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
Temps I've typically been using:
SiC Halo @ 627*
Quartz Halo @ 677*
SiC Halo + Sapphire insert @ 777*
(Auber RDK-200 w/ Auber flat coil)
SiC Halo @ 627*
Quartz Halo @ 677*
SiC Halo + Sapphire insert @ 777*
(Auber RDK-200 w/ Auber flat coil)
PoopMachine
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I dont.. I wipe mine out about once a week or so with a qtip and alcohol.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Had there been private info in her email I would have definitely not posted it. Instructions for proper assembly of the slim series bases didn't strike me as confidential
Perhaps the reason the outer wall of your quartz halo isn't conducting heat well is because the big washer doesn't come into contact with the dish around the rim
Did some testing on the CCA turtle banger today. Able to run it about 15 degrees cooler than the quartz halo, doing bigger dabs and seeing very little residual vapor trails after a dab. Again ceramic takes the cake for big, thick, low temp dabs but the turtle banger can handle some decent size dabs and the hits are super tasty. Loving the storm cell too. Just wish it had a ball point dabber instead of the spatula it currently has.
On a side note the D-Nail 1.2 is spot on with the 20mm barrel coil. It over shoots by only 1 degree when heating up and only drops a degree or 2 on big dabs.
A third hand base and cross-lock tweezers work awesome for torching SiC clean and holding sapphire while it cools
BoogerMan
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Fuck me, are you cereal? I've been doing it all wrong
I've been putting the sapphire insert on when the nail is cold and then I heat it to 850F then dab and cap.
Now I have to go make some rosin and try it the right way. Heat up SiC nail, put rosin on sapphire insert, carefully place room temp rosin covered sapphire insert over the hot SiC nail, carb cap, and then hit. Got it
For pure convection dabs, I like using the e-nano with the herbalizer liquid pad. Works really well and is super tasty.
If you want to use an enail and need a more affordable option compared to the dnail flower kit, this is what I do. You can place a SS liquid pad ($5) inside a gong ($10) and then place your nail ($50) in the gong and the hot air pulled through the nail will vaporizer the wax on the liquid pad below, pure convection style
herbivore21
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I am thuper, duper thereal! lol [/AlGore]Fuck me, are you cereal? I've been doing it all wrong
I've been putting the sapphire insert on when the nail is cold and then I heat it to 850F then dab and cap.
Now I have to go make some rosin and try it the right way. Heat up SiC nail, put rosin on sapphire insert, carefully place room temp rosin covered sapphire insert over the hot SiC nail, carb cap, and then hit. Got it
For pure convection dabs, I like using the e-nano with the herbalizer liquid pad. Works really well and is super tasty.
If you want to use an enail and need a more affordable option compared to the dnail flower kit, this is what I do. You can place a SS liquid pad ($5) inside a gong ($10) and then place your nail ($50) in the gong and the hot air pulled through the nail will vaporizer the wax on the liquid pad below, pure convection style
Do get a set of tweezers for insertion and removal, as getting the sapphire around the locking nut is a challenge without
Also @MileHighLife I have used the quartz halo with and without the washer as heat distributor on both 220v and 120v for a very long time now. The property of the outer walls not conducting heat very well compared to SiC or Sapphire is unique to quartz and irrespective of the washer
Actually, we beta testers are given temp charts with measurements taken on the sapphire halo with and without the titanium washer above the heater now
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jpdnkstr
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Apparently, I've been a dumb ass as well...... I've been leaving my insert on the nail...... Time to get some good tweezers
@herbivore21 Thank you for setting us straight, you might want to suggest to d-nail to put that little tid bit of info on their website, just sayin', I bet @BoogerMan and I aren't the only ones doing that wrong....
...... I've been leaving my insert on the nail...... Time to get some good tweezers @herbivore21 Thank you for setting us straight, you might want to suggest to d-nail to put that little tid bit of info on their website, just sayin', I bet @BoogerMan and I aren't the only ones doing that wrong....
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
You aren't doing it wrong. The sapphire is intended to be an insert to dab off of and in the description on the d nail site they actually say not to remove the insert until the nail is fully cool though many of us do. Bubbleman came up with the thermal radiation style hits with the sapphire as he's a big fan of e nail screen hits. Both methods work great! I, however, don't suggest using the sapphire as a conduction surface in the Infiniti head as it was originally intended as oil always gets trapped between the insert and the dish causing vapor trails for minutes after a hit and subsequent hits taste like ass.Apparently, I've been a dumb ass as well
@herbivore21 Thank you for setting us straight, you might want to suggest to d-nail to put that little tid bit of info on their website, just sayin', I bet @BoogerMan and I aren't the only ones doing that wrong....