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weenstoned

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Ya I have seen those diamond knots. They look nice but I don't think you could q-tip them which helps quartz last longer. Currently swinging between wanting an American nail for "karma" reasons/compatible with a heady cap and feeling like quartz is quartz and that my new piece came with a matching more versatile carb cap already. I would probably pick up a banger from Dc Glass Canada so I could have an all Canadian rig, but the dude is a douchebag on instagram who fear mongers about Asian quartz/other things that might eat into his bottom line. He blocked me when I asked a reasonable question about him saying crazy stuff about sandblasting quartz.

If anyone reading this knows of any other Canadian made quartz nails other than Dc Glass Canada's globstoppers feel free to PM me on here.

Edit: just opened instagram and a head shop's pic of Diamond Knots they just got in is first up, synchronicity lol.
 

MPZ

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Greetings brother, sorry I missed your posts here I've been a bit caught up IRL lately.

Wow, you are the lowest temp dabber I know man, but I'm glad you asked this question here. If you must use quartz, only a halo is going to give you any joy at all at temps that low, there will be significant pooling on anything that doesn't wick your dab and boil it quickly in a thin film! Even so, please do not use a quartz halo for super mega low temp dabs like this. You should lean toward the SiC for sure, which will still give you the closest to full vaporization in a reasonable amount of inhaling of any nail out there! The sapphire insert will be great for your purposes too, but remember that to achieve 500f on the sapphire insert in convection mode, you're gonna have your controller rocking 100-200f higher temp on the dial! This is all recommended!

Still, from what you are enjoying with a pen, I am tempted to suggest that you get a flower adapter. Of course, it can be used for concentrates or whatever else, I predominately use mine for concentrates (especially 4 star melty hashes) and it is fantastic. So easy to clean, no risk of accidental combustion if you set the wrong temp (IMPORTANT NOTE: The flower adapter should not be used with analogue d-nail IME. The analogues are not precise enough to the +/- 20 degree variation within which your load doesn't risk combusting - accidental combustion will happen!) when we're dealing with concentrates instead of flowers.

Using an SS/titanium wick (something like a Mighty/Crafty concentrate pad or similar) in the flower adapter with even runny oils is going to be a very satisfying experience, more like what you are doing right now. As someone with fancy nails to dab off (I am dabbing on my broken sapphire halo atm lol, just a chip and not on the dabbing surface lol) but even I will concede that convection concentrates in the flower adapter are no slouch by comparison! Hey if you wanna try get it all glass, perhaps try a small boro fritted disc (these can be found from lab suppliers) as your concentrate pad instead of metal wools! Please do not use glass frits unless you are sure they will hold together and never use them without water in the airpath (you should not risk inhaling glass particulates that come loose!).

I would like to reiterate that sapphire halos are the absolute tastiest. If you can afford one when they are available (plenty of time lol, they take forever to manufacture), do it - especially if you use full melt. I find that for full melt, you want a nail that can use low temps but still distribute and conduct the heat around the dish well to melt up and vaporize your material.

I actually do not recommend quartz halos for full melts, SiC is much more effective in this regard (although I would recommend quartz over SiC for flavor on your BHO/QWISO/rosin etc). Same goes for especially waxy concentrates (by this I mean actual wax consistency, not the sap or butane soup that dispensaries try to call 'wax'.

It's interesting taking the time to really find which of the many dab options I have now work best for which kinds of concentrates. I now find myself fortunate enough to be able to make 6-7 completely different kinds of concentrates from the same particularly beautiful flowers which really helps things along!

@herbivore21 Thanks for your reply!

I literally just this morning was having an e-mail conversation with Dave Goldstein about using his fritted glass prefilters for an all glass airpath using the Lotus with concentrates! (My mom used to always tell me great minds think alike- I would say they sometimes have the same idea lol) However, when I showed him what I had in mind he suggested I use TI mesh- I think a fritted boro screen won't have enough airflow, as he said he didn't think his fritted prefilters would work very well- and according to his website they are coarser (more airflow) than lab fritted boro.

I will absolutely be buying a Lotus now- as soon as I saw the design I was like, "that's exactly what I need," but I really wanted to hear from someone who'd tried what I had in mind before I spent hundreds on a setup (Being a college student puts a damper on making money :()

I will have to do some shopping for ti wicks- thanks for the tip on the crafty/mighty one. I'm also considering the Errlectric screen (60x60 mesh 19mm diameter Ti2 screen), and i already have some really small Ti2 wicks from my KindMD atomizers. I was considering the herbalizer aromapad, but then I discovered it's actually stainless. The funny thing is their description of it says " Wow.. vaporizing concentrates at 445F is Amazing and unlike anything else."... which is exactly what I'm going to be doing, just for cheaper :). I'm not trying to knock the herbalizer- it's the best flower vape I've ever hit by a long long way- it's just, who supplies SS screens for a $750 vaporizer :disgust:

As far as the actual nails are concerned, I would love to try the sapphire but I think that will be a ways off since I will have a Lotus. Your input is still very much appreciated though because I am buying my best friend a nail (he uses torches now- he had a purple hart wood D-nail for a year but it started to hurt his throat to use it) for his birthday. He is a BHO (Shatter) only type of guy and loves club bangers- so he wants the quartz, but I think he might spend his own money on a SiC dish so he can try it. I will have to show him some of your posts in this thread on the subject :tup:

Personally I have a severe mold allergy (amongst many many other environmental allergies) and butane irritates my allergies (I thought I was nuts until my allergist told me it's actually a thing) so since I'm stuck in a very rainy part of Washington for school, I currently vape Tetra Labs Pure Gold exclusively- I have tried full melt and Co2 oils, but for me, trying oils in Washington is pretty much playing russian roulette with my allergies:() I literally can't vaporize 95+% of flowers in this state because of tiny amounts of mold. I want to move to cali lol- when I visited LA I could even smoke j's if i wanted to (i didn't bring a vaporizer with me).

Pure gold is quite runny, but it will stay in a wick with some effort- it tends to flow out to the edge of my Kind MD wicks and stick to the walls of the atmoizer. So I'm hoping that an Errlectric screen (installed domed downward) will prevent this from happening.

It must be really awesome to be able to make 6-7 different concentrate types! I'm really curious- do they have significantly different effect profiles?

In closing I just want to say thank you so much for enriching this community with the wisdom gleaned from your frankly impressively extensive testing/experience:tup::bowdown::rockon:
 

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
Look what just arrived:

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Sorry the rig isn't as clean as the new Quartz Halo!

Close-up:

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I did one dab of live resin ... and I am HIGH!

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rolln_j

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@herbivore21 - slim line series is now live with the quartz halo for 90 more

I actually emailed them and they replied thanx and they would have it up this week and true to their word (as always) - Diane in customer service rocks and between her and whoever does the website they are on it there - they have made me a customer for life


@alittledabwilldoya' man that looks so friggin cool - like its an extension of the rig (a cleaner one but still lol) - I have the same base that I am using with my SiC - yours looks so good makes me wonder if I even need the slimline

are you happy with how snug that 14/18m base holds your nail? is it ok to use the titanium carb caps with the quartz?

@MPZ brother if you have a reaction to bho you should really try some rosin - so ez to make with some decent indoor bud and it has the flavor and high that bho doesnt really touch, for me anyway...

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herbivore21

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Ya I have seen those diamond knots. They look nice but I don't think you could q-tip them which helps quartz last longer. Currently swinging between wanting an American nail for "karma" reasons/compatible with a heady cap and feeling like quartz is quartz and that my new piece came with a matching more versatile carb cap already. I would probably pick up a banger from Dc Glass Canada so I could have an all Canadian rig, but the dude is a douchebag on instagram who fear mongers about Asian quartz/other things that might eat into his bottom line. He blocked me when I asked a reasonable question about him saying crazy stuff about sandblasting quartz.

If anyone reading this knows of any other Canadian made quartz nails other than Dc Glass Canada's globstoppers feel free to PM me on here.

Edit: just opened instagram and a head shop's pic of Diamond Knots they just got in is first up, synchronicity lol.
Hahaha man what timing on the Diamond Knot, by the way it is a very good question to find out how one goes about cleaning that particular nail when it is being used with a torch apart from torching the christ out of it (which I agree, definitely reduces the life of even the nicest quartz).

Actually I have learned recently that quartz is actually not quartz, as the composition of some 'quartz' can contain some other filler substances instead of being pure fused silica. Some of these fillers may do little other than allow it to be worked with at lower temps, but some may have dealbreaking effects like making the quartz less resistant to heat or more brittle.

Still, I shy away from writing off all Chinese quartz/glass, after all, I have heard recently that Pyrology even manufacture their glass in China! Regardless, Chinese made or not, Pyrology's shit is always proper and exceptionally made!
@herbivore21 Thanks for your reply!

I literally just this morning was having an e-mail conversation with Dave Goldstein about using his fritted glass prefilters for an all glass airpath using the Lotus with concentrates! (My mom used to always tell me great minds think alike- I would say they sometimes have the same idea lol) However, when I showed him what I had in mind he suggested I use TI mesh- I think a fritted boro screen won't have enough airflow, as he said he didn't think his fritted prefilters would work very well- and according to his website they are coarser (more airflow) than lab fritted boro.

I will absolutely be buying a Lotus now- as soon as I saw the design I was like, "that's exactly what I need," but I really wanted to hear from someone who'd tried what I had in mind before I spent hundreds on a setup (Being a college student puts a damper on making money :()

I will have to do some shopping for ti wicks- thanks for the tip on the crafty/mighty one. I'm also considering the Errlectric screen (60x60 mesh 19mm diameter Ti2 screen), and i already have some really small Ti2 wicks from my KindMD atomizers. I was considering the herbalizer aromapad, but then I discovered it's actually stainless. The funny thing is their description of it says " Wow.. vaporizing concentrates at 445F is Amazing and unlike anything else."... which is exactly what I'm going to be doing, just for cheaper :). I'm not trying to knock the herbalizer- it's the best flower vape I've ever hit by a long long way- it's just, who supplies SS screens for a $750 vaporizer :disgust:

As far as the actual nails are concerned, I would love to try the sapphire but I think that will be a ways off since I will have a Lotus. Your input is still very much appreciated though because I am buying my best friend a nail (he uses torches now- he had a purple hart wood D-nail for a year but it started to hurt his throat to use it) for his birthday. He is a BHO (Shatter) only type of guy and loves club bangers- so he wants the quartz, but I think he might spend his own money on a SiC dish so he can try it. I will have to show him some of your posts in this thread on the subject :tup:

Personally I have a severe mold allergy (amongst many many other environmental allergies) and butane irritates my allergies (I thought I was nuts until my allergist told me it's actually a thing) so since I'm stuck in a very rainy part of Washington for school, I currently vape Tetra Labs Pure Gold exclusively- I have tried full melt and Co2 oils, but for me, trying oils in Washington is pretty much playing russian roulette with my allergies:() I literally can't vaporize 95+% of flowers in this state because of tiny amounts of mold. I want to move to cali lol- when I visited LA I could even smoke j's if i wanted to (i didn't bring a vaporizer with me).

Pure gold is quite runny, but it will stay in a wick with some effort- it tends to flow out to the edge of my Kind MD wicks and stick to the walls of the atmoizer. So I'm hoping that an Errlectric screen (installed domed downward) will prevent this from happening.

It must be really awesome to be able to make 6-7 different concentrate types! I'm really curious- do they have significantly different effect profiles?

In closing I just want to say thank you so much for enriching this community with the wisdom gleaned from your frankly impressively extensive testing/experience:tup::bowdown::rockon:

Oh man, that is a tough break being allergic to molds like this, it sounds like not much more than spores could set your allergies off man! Such a shame for a herb appreciator in a rainy part of the world!

It is indeed bliss being able to make so many different kinds of extracts. I do indeed find them to have substantially different effects in some cases!

Also some fascinating similarities! Here's a few of my observations having been working with the exact same starting material for various kinds of extractions:

The strain I'm working with is called Cluster Bomb. When it gets to fruition and peak resin production; it has a nutty, slightly creamy, very skunky smell (after all I believe this strain hails from Skunk #1 and Cinderella 99 origins) with a bizarre 'chemical orange' taste which combined taste fantastic, this is definitely one of the more enjoyable flavors of MMJ I've had in my time medicating (many years now).

QWET/QWISO: Definitely find that winterized absolute shatters that have been dewaxed seem to retain a very prominent chemical orange taste, none of the creamy flavor with a faint nutty skunky undertone. A nice flavor indeed and very noticeable compared to some of the more neutral skunky tasting strains I've had in the past. Very racy effects, a sharp smack to the head instead of something that might put you to sleep. I do not dab solvent extracts that have not been dewaxed typically but will be experimenting with this kind of material soon for research reasons (trying to establish which elements of the flavor profile are lost during which stages of processing and which just weren't there to begin with due to the method of extraction).

Rosin from flower: Plenty of the chemical orange taste, very little of the creamy taste but more than winterized solvent extracts from the same. More skunkiness than the above too with a planty tasting undertone. Still very heady in the effect on the first squish yields but diminishingly so as the same material continues to get squished.

Rosin from bubble: Much more of the creamy flavor is here. Something about the water contact really brings out the creaminess consistently. Nutty flavor is there too but not loads of it yet. This tastes considerably better than either of the above. More heady still than the flower rosin. I have always wondered as a result of my experience if those who say flower rosin is much better than bubble rosin have been comparing flowers to old bubble hash which even from the same strain is not going to be able to hold its own after oxidative degradation over x period. Also do wonder if maybe some of these reports are due to the use of strains with terp profiles that do not lend themselves to water extraction (ie: water brings out the worst, not the best of the flavor).

Full melt bubble hash: Lots of creaminess, lots of nuttiness, little bit of chemical orange flavor, no planty flavor (and a look under my microscope reveals why, look at my avatar to see that we're talking basically nothing but heads!). This stuff almost tastes like chocolate or hazlenut. No other extract nor even the flowers has this vivid flavor. It is absolutely amazing. The effects of the bubble also seem much more heady still, almost psychadelic compared to a winterized absolute for example. This is the most uplifting effect and definitely the best for managing my depressive illness.

What are we up to? 4? That'll have to do for now, I'm exhausted lol.

I really need to get my hands on more screens for my flower adapter so please do let me know how you go with the screens you try, I look forward to hearing from you :)

Also thanks so much for the kind words, you flatter me!

P.S. I wonder if the sapphire insert fits in the flower adapter?? I am gonna investigate this!

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herbivore21

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Pt 2. (Continued)


Look what just arrived:

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Sorry the rig isn't as clean as the new Quartz Halo!

Close-up:

yDSmvBN.jpg


I did one dab of live resin ... and I am HIGH!

:D
Very nice!! The rig and nail go together well (especially with a clean of that claim :p ). Glad you're enjoying the quartz halo man :D

@herbivore21 - slim line series is now live with the quartz halo for 90 more

I actually emailed them and they replied thanx and they would have it up this week and true to their word (as always) - Diane in customer service rocks and between her and whoever does the website they are on it there - they have made me a customer for life


@alittledabwilldoya' man that looks so friggin cool - like its an extension of the rig (a cleaner one but still lol) - I have the same base that I am using with my SiC - yours looks so good makes me wonder if I even need the slimline

are you happy with how snug that 14/18m base holds your nail? is it ok to use the titanium carb caps with the quartz?

@MPZ brother if you have a reaction to bho you should really try some rosin - so ez to make with some decent indoor bud and it has the flavor and high that bho doesnt really touch, for me anyway...

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Can't agree more about Diane man, she is such an incredibly hard worker and is also the one updating the site AFAIK these days. I hope she gets to read this :) I'm sure she'd be super happy with the feedback :)

Quartz is cool with ti carb cap too, the edges of the quartz dish are a flat surface that the ti can sit on without breaking :D I've only ever used my quartz halo with the ti cap and I've had my quartz halo now since the very first pre-release batch, no signs of damage at all :) Looks literally as good as new.
 
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weenstoned

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@herbivore21 I have heard about filler in quartz but have also heard it can make it more expensive than just straight up quartz. My view is that a lot of Chinese manufacturers have probably been working with quartz longer than most if not all American nail makers (Hyman claims to have been operating since the 90s but I have done nothing to research whether this is true). Been watching videos of diamond knots but can't really tell if there is actually no oil leftover. Wish there was some way to try before dropping almost 200 canadian dollars.

Interesting about Pyrology, wonder when/if there will be a similar blow up as to when people found out that Hitman Glass is most likely made in China. Pyrology stuff might be more reasonably priced though so it might not make people as mad.
 
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herbivore21

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@herbivore21 I have heard about filler in quartz but have also heard it can make it more expensive than just straight up quartz. My view is that a lot of Chinese manufacturers have probably been working with quartz longer than most if not all American nail makers (Hyman claims to have been operating since the 90s but I have done nothing to research whether this is true). Been watching videos of diamond knots but can't really tell if there is actually no oil leftover. Wish there was some way to try before dropping almost 200 canadian dollars.

Interesting about Pyrology, wonder when/if there will be a similar blow up as to when people found out that Hitman Glass is most likely made in China. Pyrology stuff might be more reasonably priced though so it might not make people as mad.
Pyrology stuff to me is a fair price China or not. It is top quality scientific glass.

Man ain't that the truth about the try before buy thing, if someone figures out a way to offer this kind of service, they will have a good thing going!

Some additives may indeed be more expensive than silica itself, as lower price is not the only reason to use other compounds than silica. These additives are often used to lower the melting point of the resultant fused glass to be worked with more easily. These additives can also have impacts on the durability and other properties of the nail. This is why it still behoves us to do due diligence on the composition of the quartz we buy. Still, what is good and what is not do not necessarily fit neatly into national borders like some might have us believe.
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
Pyrology stuff to me is a fair price China or not. It is top quality scientific glass.

Man ain't that the truth about the try before buy thing, if someone figures out a way to offer this kind of service, they will have a good thing going!

Some additives may indeed be more expensive than silica itself, as lower price is not the only reason to use other compounds than silica. These additives are often used to lower the melting point of the resultant fused glass to be worked with more easily. These additives can also have impacts on the durability and other properties of the nail. This is why it still behoves us to do due diligence on the composition of the quartz we buy. Still, what is good and what is not do not necessarily fit neatly into national borders like some might have us believe.

Dude Pyrology is made in Piladelphia PA USA. :tup:. Pyrology knock-offs can be had through dhgate for super cheap but guaranteed they don't function like real Pyrology.
 
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herbivore21

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Dude Pyrology is made in Piladelphia USA. :tup:. Pyrology knock-offs can be had through dhgate for super cheap but guaranteed they don't function like real Pyrology.
I definitely should have been clearer in that I was only saying what I'd heard from a trusted friend. Either way, my Pyrology recycler was out of this world amazing, functioned so perfectly and vortexed as well as you could ever want. China or not, some of the best glass offered at this price point IME and IMO :)
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
I definitely should have been clearer in that I was only saying what I'd heard from a trusted friend. Either way, my Pyrology recycler was out of this world amazing, functioned so perfectly and vortexed as well as you could ever want. China or not, some of the best glass offered at this price point IME and IMO :)
Yup. Love my D-Cycler :love:
 

heady blunts

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i'm relatively new to dabbing, but rosin dabs are changing the way i medicate. i've been using a generic quartz banger torch heated to take low temp dabs using an IR gun and a carb cap.

i recently got a 710 whip. i see them mentioned in a few sigs. i love it and i got great customer service from them too!

my banger is pretty beat up and i'm thinking about upgrading to a new nail. i'd love some advice about what nail to get.

i've got a coupon to santa cruz shredder and i was looking at the omni nail and that carb cap dabber situation that goes with it.

i'm kinda inclined to get a nail that can be used with a torch or an enail. does the heater from the 710 whip work with say an HE infini? is that still the favorite? if i were to ever get a digital enail i think i'd want a flat coil anyway right?

i'd like to have a set up with a matching carb cap with a hole. i think my flat carb caps fit too tightly on the banger or something. those slow mo dab vids on IG make me think the little hole improves the low temp dab.

i think those are all my newb questions. thank you in advance!

oh! okay, what's QFZ stand for? i know what the qfz caps look like, just not what it means. i've never hit a honey bucket btw.

oh oh! the qtip thing. can i start doing that with an old banger? no right? it's already pitted or whatever? is there a link or a tutorial i should know about?
 

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
@heady blunts

I'm also new to using an enail, but I can't say enough good things about the D-Nail with a SiC dish.
Silicon Carbide is pretty much the material of choice for dabbing.

This is the dish in question: http://www.d-nail.com/nails/d-nail-sic-halo

CCA's Liger V2 looks trick as well: http://www.cca710.com/liger/
They should be coming out with a SiC insert for their nail soon.

And Happy Daddy Genesis is a nail I considered, as it is also well designed with the Sublimation head and base combo: http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/genesis-system/
But no SiC insert (although they do have a quartz insert).


I'm happy with the DNail SiC dish (+ Sapphire insert and Quartz Halo), but that Liger V2 with a SiC insert looks appealing too.
 

herbivore21

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i'm relatively new to dabbing, but rosin dabs are changing the way i medicate. i've been using a generic quartz banger torch heated to take low temp dabs using an IR gun and a carb cap.

i recently got a 710 whip. i see them mentioned in a few sigs. i love it and i got great customer service from them too!

my banger is pretty beat up and i'm thinking about upgrading to a new nail. i'd love some advice about what nail to get.

i've got a coupon to santa cruz shredder and i was looking at the omni nail and that carb cap dabber situation that goes with it.

i'm kinda inclined to get a nail that can be used with a torch or an enail. does the heater from the 710 whip work with say an HE infini? is that still the favorite? if i were to ever get a digital enail i think i'd want a flat coil anyway right?

i'd like to have a set up with a matching carb cap with a hole. i think my flat carb caps fit too tightly on the banger or something. those slow mo dab vids on IG make me think the little hole improves the low temp dab.

i think those are all my newb questions. thank you in advance!

oh! okay, what's QFZ stand for? i know what the qfz caps look like, just not what it means. i've never hit a honey bucket btw.

oh oh! the qtip thing. can i start doing that with an old banger? no right? it's already pitted or whatever? is there a link or a tutorial i should know about?
Welcome man! Good time to ask questions when you're getting started :)

Please avoid Ti nails, they are just flatly inferior tasting to every other option, require seasoning (some other nails do not!) too.

I see you want torch compatibility as well as enail. I would suggest that you check out a SiC halo on a d-nail slim series base. You can snag this combo up for $120 USD right now on the d-nail website.

The reason I recommend SiC (and I have used many, many quartz and ti nails as well as SiC, ceramic and sapphire, owning at least one of most of these now!) is that for torching, it gets you the most consistent results - hands down. I recently had a heater coil die and had stupidly sold off my spare one. This left me back on the torch for almost a month! This is a big deal for me especially since I only dab very high quality material (check out the full melt bubble hash in my avatar for example!). I am only gonna dab something like this on a surface that I know isn't going to obscure the wonderful flavor profile.

If I didn't have SiC, I wouldn't have continued dabbing my preferred high end oils as I would not be confident of dialling in the torch warm up time and cool down properly - you don't wanna accidentally dab too hot or too cold when it comes to this kind of material! Too hot is an especially unfortunate shame!

Due to the superior thermal properties of SiC, you will get the same results with torch dabs every time without needing to use any kind of thermometer to ensure the right temp! D-nail even give you charts and instructions for how long to torch for and how long of a cooldown to have to get your desired temp in degrees f/c.

SiC does need to be torched for longer than other materials; but the beauty of this is that the torching during heat up should almost clean your nail good as new every time you heat it up for a dab! Combine this with qtip wipe after each dab and it'll stay looking new for plenty of time :)

I don't recommend quartz for people using torches (yes yes I know they all say that you can use quartz for torching and that is true, but it won't last as long as if you didn't). Since torching is by it's nature not the most exact of sciences, this reduces the lifespan of your quartz - better to avoid this if you know that torching is what you wanna do! I do not like most quartz because of problems with pooling of dabs and inability to do the tastiest low temp dabs because of this issue. The d-nail quartz halo is great in resolving this somewhat because of the machined surface designed to evenly spread your dab in a thin film for quicker boiling. If you weren't going to torch at all, I might have recommended this option ;)

I have actually used a 710whip heater with a SiC halo, it worked pretty well! Had to use a titanium washer that I had spare from my sapphire halo on top of the heater to keep it in place though. Still, you can get Darid (Mr. 710whip himself) to make you a custom purpose made flat coil that'll attach to whatever controller you want to use :)

Hope this helps man, I know having a coupon might be tempting but remember, ti nails were old tech before you had started dabbing (at least from the sound of it!). ;)
 

darkrom

Great Scott!
Gave up waiting for the d-nail universal today. Local headshop had a $30 glass carb cap/dabber combo that they let me test on their SIC setup. Fits fine, and saves me $40. Can't say I didn't want it, but I guess there really is no need for the price, I don't often break my glass anyway.
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
i'm relatively new to dabbing, but rosin dabs are changing the way i medicate. i've been using a generic quartz banger torch heated to take low temp dabs using an IR gun and a carb cap.

i recently got a 710 whip. i see them mentioned in a few sigs. i love it and i got great customer service from them too!

my banger is pretty beat up and i'm thinking about upgrading to a new nail. i'd love some advice about what nail to get.

i've got a coupon to santa cruz shredder and i was looking at the omni nail and that carb cap dabber situation that goes with it.

i'm kinda inclined to get a nail that can be used with a torch or an enail. does the heater from the 710 whip work with say an HE infini? is that still the favorite? if i were to ever get a digital enail i think i'd want a flat coil anyway right?

i'd like to have a set up with a matching carb cap with a hole. i think my flat carb caps fit too tightly on the banger or something. those slow mo dab vids on IG make me think the little hole improves the low temp dab.

i think those are all my newb questions. thank you in advance!

oh! okay, what's QFZ stand for? i know what the qfz caps look like, just not what it means. i've never hit a honey bucket btw.

oh oh! the qtip thing. can i start doing that with an old banger? no right? it's already pitted or whatever? is there a link or a tutorial i should know about?

The 710 whip works well with the HE Infiniti but I would also suggest going with the SiC halo from D-Nail. They work very well together as is. You'll have to torch the SiC dish when you want it clean because the 710 whip doesn't get hot enough to clean it but torching isn't a problem with SiC like it is with the domeless.com nails. And the generation 2 carb cap fits the SiC/quartz halos perfectly along with many other nails and they have the hole drilled at an angle to create a vortex action inside the dish which seems to help vaporization across the entire dish at low temps. The cap is out of stock right now but I think it was supposed to be back in stock in the next week or so.
Look forward to your comparison between this and the Turtle Banger.
I'll post up my opinion once I get a chance to play with the turtle banger ... still waiting on that coil. The quartz halo's seen some work the past 24 hours. Very tasty hits.
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
I'm still playing around but I'm at 690 right now on the quartz and usually run the SiC between 640 and 666. I'm not sure about finer particles ... maybe. I do think the SiC halo produces thicker hits and seems to be better for globs.
awesome suggestions guys! i think i'm sold on the sic dish on the dnail slim series 14f base.

i have a highly educated carb cap but i don't know what it's called. is this the right one @MileHighLife ?

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This is the one you're looking for but your dabber will screw into it.
 

jl420

Well-Known Member
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I was considering a cheap analog set up but many of the FC community made me realize for a couple bucks more go with a digital enail. I have to say I'm really impressed solid build (all metal) and really easy to use. I had a couple of questions and actually talked to real informative reps (no email tag). Found it on Amazon for $155 bucks and I couldn't be happier. Some of my veteran dab head buddies said it was a solid piece of equipment and worth the money. They had a back log of orders and threw in a real nice dab stand, 3 silicone containers and a tube of Smooth Slide joint lube wax with my order since it was late (still recieved it before estimated delivery). For those looking to make that transition from torch to enail this is definitely the way to go...20mm coil and does come with a carb cap
 

MPZ

Well-Known Member
Welcome man! Good time to ask questions when you're getting started :)

Please avoid Ti nails, they are just flatly inferior tasting to every other option, require seasoning (some other nails do not!) too.

I see you want torch compatibility as well as enail. I would suggest that you check out a SiC halo on a d-nail slim series base. You can snag this combo up for $120 USD right now on the d-nail website.

The reason I recommend SiC (and I have used many, many quartz and ti nails as well as SiC, ceramic and sapphire, owning at least one of most of these now!) is that for torching, it gets you the most consistent results - hands down. I recently had a heater coil die and had stupidly sold off my spare one. This left me back on the torch for almost a month! This is a big deal for me especially since I only dab very high quality material (check out the full melt bubble hash in my avatar for example!). I am only gonna dab something like this on a surface that I know isn't going to obscure the wonderful flavor profile.

If I didn't have SiC, I wouldn't have continued dabbing my preferred high end oils as I would not be confident of dialling in the torch warm up time and cool down properly - you don't wanna accidentally dab too hot or too cold when it comes to this kind of material! Too hot is an especially unfortunate shame!

Due to the superior thermal properties of SiC, you will get the same results with torch dabs every time without needing to use any kind of thermometer to ensure the right temp! D-nail even give you charts and instructions for how long to torch for and how long of a cooldown to have to get your desired temp in degrees f/c.

SiC does need to be torched for longer than other materials; but the beauty of this is that the torching during heat up should almost clean your nail good as new every time you heat it up for a dab! Combine this with qtip wipe after each dab and it'll stay looking new for plenty of time :)

I don't recommend quartz for people using torches (yes yes I know they all say that you can use quartz for torching and that is true, but it won't last as long as if you didn't). Since torching is by it's nature not the most exact of sciences, this reduces the lifespan of your quartz - better to avoid this if you know that torching is what you wanna do! I do not like most quartz because of problems with pooling of dabs and inability to do the tastiest low temp dabs because of this issue. The d-nail quartz halo is great in resolving this somewhat because of the machined surface designed to evenly spread your dab in a thin film for quicker boiling. If you weren't going to torch at all, I might have recommended this option ;)

I have actually used a 710whip heater with a SiC halo, it worked pretty well! Had to use a titanium washer that I had spare from my sapphire halo on top of the heater to keep it in place though. Still, you can get Darid (Mr. 710whip himself) to make you a custom purpose made flat coil that'll attach to whatever controller you want to use :)

Hope this helps man, I know having a coupon might be tempting but remember, ti nails were old tech before you had started dabbing (at least from the sound of it!). ;)

Sorry about the late reply, I managed to get food poisoning and have been asleep all day :(

Anyways, I'm really glad you wrote this, as along with my flower adapter from D-nail I am also going to be ordering a nail for my best friend (belated birthday present)- he had a purple heart wood D-nail for about a year (with quartz and TI), but for whatever reason it started to hurt his throat to use it. He used Mothership buckets for awhile, but for the past year he has been using club bangers exclusively (he just got some XL club bangers actually). Since I'm making an order with D-nail anyways (and thus paying shipping), I figured I would scoop him a nail (for torch use) while I was at it. I decided to spoil the surprise and tell him for the sake of finding out whether he would prefer SiC or Quartz- and for whatever reason he isn't nearly as interested in the SiC.

I suppose this shouldn't be too much of a surprise to me given that he has used quartz exclusively for years now, but I would hate for him to never try the SiC when it's possible that it would be the right nail for him. On the other hand, I believe I have seen a few people say things along the lines of "the quartz is smoother" and smoothness is a huge priority to him (and the reason he's back to torching). But then, perhaps it's actually a lack of vapor density in the quartz (due to its thermal properties) that makes it work for him. I'm confident that the Wik surface of the quartz halo has the potential to be an upgrade for him (he gets lots of pooling), but I want him to have a chance to try the SiC...

I guess, all that being said, what I need to know is whether the SiC can (via low temperature or bigger rips) be made to deliver smoother, less dense hits, or whether its excellent thermal conductivity simply means it's going to boil the oil at a higher temperature under all circumstances.

On the other hand, the SiC is on sale now, so I should really just suck it up and buy him both. It's just that as a student with a work-study job i don't have much time/opportunity to make money... and I'm buying myself a d-nail, lotus adapter, and a rig... it all adds up.

As far as different extraction methodologies go, your experiences seem to line up with mine. I'm certainly no expert, as I have only tried a couple different oils (and only Tetra Labs Pure Gold more than once), but so far I have found that pure gold (basically no terps, though plenty of limonene- which they essentially add to stabilize it) can give a racy high, while the Co2 oil I tried was more along the lines of something to help with sleep. I can't comment on the effects of full melt (the one i tried had mold- so I felt like crap) but it definitely had a flavor profile different from any other oil I have tried.

I find the physics and chemistry of different extraction methods carrying through different terpene/cannabanoid profiles really interesting. Based on what I've read and the discussions I've had with some knowledgeable people, you might try your Qwet/Qwiso extractions at a lower temperature if you can manage it- this should in theory keep any water present frozen and prevent it from picking up impurities. Also I have read a few people online reporting more terps/better flavor, especially when doing the extraction at below 0 degrees. Given that at least some terps are volatile enough to evaporate at room temperature (And thus smell), it makes sense to me that heat is the enemy when extracting with alcohols.

It's unfortunate in a sense that terpenes are so dang volatile- it seems like the smallest thing can change which ones remain present. And then of course, different people prefer different terpene profiles based on the effect/vaporizing experience they want. For example, my best friend only seems to like the terpene profile of high-grade BHO- but then again I don't know if he's had other types of extracts at the same quality level as the BHO he buys. It also might be the case that the biggest reason for his BHO preference is its smoothness when vaporizing it.
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
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I was considering a cheap analog set up but many of the FC community made me realize for a couple bucks more go with a digital enail. I have to say I'm really impressed solid build (all metal) and really easy to use. I had a couple of questions and actually talked to real informative reps (no email tag). Found it on Amazon for $155 bucks and I couldn't be happier. Some of my veteran dab head buddies said it was a solid piece of equipment and worth the money. They had a back log of orders and threw in a real nice dab stand, 3 silicone containers and a tube of Smooth Slide joint lube wax with my order since it was late (still recieved it before estimated delivery). For those looking to make that transition from torch to enail this is definitely the way to go...20mm coil and does come with a carb cap
Nice deal!

For anyone else looking to get into the e nail game on a budget these 4 pieces will have you dabbing like a champ and enjoying great flavor for just over $130:

CA Premium Deals analog controller
Domeless.com UNSLOTTED nail
Hyman flat coil
iDab carb cap

This is essentially my truck setup except I use a TiPower Tirant instead of the iDab carb cap because I didn't want a glass dabber in the truck. But the iDab cap works well. And I personally find the flavor to be better off the fully ceramic nails than the titanium hybrid nails.

I can't see the D-Nail analog controller out performing the CAPremmiumDeals analog controller as it's just a 2 cable cord with a potentiometer and the CAPremiumDeals controller works on point.
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