Not a valid comparison, because alcohol is a poison with no medicinal value. Drink a quart of hard booze in an hour and see if you live to tell about it. Cannabis otoh is not at all poisonous, and can cure many ailments; we're really just starting to scratch the surface of all of its wonderful properties.
Although there is yet much to learn about the herb (and our receptors), too much is already known to feign ignorance and oversimplify the argument to say that our foot must always weigh heavily on the brakes while cruising down the road. I trust that there is much more responsible use of the herb than is being given credit for, and an overemphasis being given on adverse effects based on a minority guilty of a still undefined measure of over indulgence. The many known merits of responsible herb use stand on their own, and we don't need to lean on examples like alcohol to justify one's choice. I feel the OP is preaching to a choir here at FC who have already matured way beyond the point of needing their weekly confessional and prayer. In fact, the vast majority of our FC membership are the world's proponent stewards of knowledgeable responsible healthful usage. The constant beat to which this thread marches falls flat of its own weight - it is old baggage that simply doesn't apply to this audience, IMO.
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Now, lets not demonized alcohol, it does have a lot of medicinal uses, internally and externally.
...and the moral of it all is ...MODERATION! A powerful word that has been known to end even the most circular "dead horse" discussions. Love to all!Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
I'm okay with demonizing alcohol. If you compare and contrast the two, alcohol is the lethal substance, it's not even close, and it meets the schedule 1 criteria above much better than mj does.
- The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
- The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
- There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision
It's a poison that intoxicates at less than lethal doses, it seriously impairs judgement, and it brings out violent tendencies in many people. It ruins many lives even though, or more accurately because, it's so widely and cheaply available. Maybe we should ramp up the control of this deadly substance while we loosen the restrictions on mj. Alcohol does have its allure, I was a fancy hotel bartender for a few years and I was a very good one. I like the fine labels and have my favorite concoctions, even though I hardly indulge ever anymore. It's great for tinctures and killing germs, but beyond that alcohol's medicinal utility is limited.
Just think of a marijuana culture compared to the culture we have built around alcohol. Alcohol is the drug of choice for wall street warriors and soldier/cop types that are trained for functional violence and institutional theft, because it will numb you enough to let you continue to function after you have compromised yourself from an ethical standpoint. We've all seen it in the movies, when we are traumatized we "drink to forget; "I never killed a guy before", "here have a memory eraser, you'll be fine". I can't help but wonder how different our world would be if mj was the acceptable substance and alcohol was the demonized one.
I never said anything about recreational use, which a lot of people can handle with moderation.Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
I'm okay with demonizing alcohol. If you compare and contrast the two, alcohol is the potentially lethal, highly-addictive substance, and it meets the schedule 1 criteria above much better than mj does.
- The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
- The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
- There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
It's a poison that intoxicates at less than lethal doses; this is the fun part. But it seriously impairs judgement, and it brings out violent tendencies in many people. It ruins many lives even though, or more accurately because, it's so widely and cheaply available. And don't get me started on the brain cells killed from dehydration, that's where the headache comes from the next morning.
Maybe we should ramp up the controls on booze, while we loosen the restrictions on mj. Alcohol does have its allure. I was a fancy hotel bartender for a few years and I was a very good one, I even "invented" a martini or two. I like the fine labels and have my favorite concoctions, even though I hardly indulge ever anymore. It's great for tinctures and killing germs, but beyond that alcohol's medicinal utility is limited.
Just think of a marijuana culture compared to the culture we have built around alcohol. Alcohol is the drug of choice for wall street warriors and soldier/cop types that are trained for functional violence and institutional theft, because it will numb you enough to let you continue to function after you have compromised yourself from an ethical standpoint. We've all seen it in the movies, when we are traumatized we "drink to forget; "I never killed a guy before", "here have a memory eraser, you'll be fine". I can't help but wonder how different our world would be if mj was the acceptable substance and alcohol was the demonized one.
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(Those fucking ad hominems again
This is exactly how I feel when I apply alcohol on my lower back. Very true.
I meant open, honest education, as in real-life experiences from real stoners who've gone down the path of "too much use" (whatever that means for them personally) and pulled back. As another person said, moderation is really the keyword in all of this.
I will have to work on finding ways to express opinions that I know will be unpopular while still promoting harmony. 
