My theory of healthy cannabis usage

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Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, and a small few can manage to balance life, work, family, community, health, exercise, meditation and wake-n-bake daily cannabis usage. Out of the hundred or so guys who I would classify as "heavy users" I've known over the last 20 years (not counting casual users here), there was ONE guy who managed all of that along with a daily wake-n-bake usage level. He was a truly exceptional man in many ways, although to be honest he had designed his lifestyle around his cannabis usage, not the other way around.
Sadly, no. I base this on repeated polling of stoner friends over the years to find out from them how much time needs to elapse from the previous day's last hit until the current day's hit in order for the effect to be "pretty strong." And of course, on my own diligent personal research over the years. :-)

See I think you have created a "rule" in your mind about heavy mj use = emotional/psychological detriment. However, as others in this thread have noted, these are all based on anecdotes and by your words "repeated polling of stoner friends", suggesting some kind of pseudo-scientific process/analysis.

This is inherently problematic because you are assuming correlation is causation and that anecdotal evidence reflects the mass population of humans. Just because you see someone who uses cannabis heavily (I would assume publicly if you were able to observe them) have something go wrong in their life or their personality changes or experience loss of motivation etc. does not inherently mean cannabis is a cause of that.

I think most people can think of a person who fulfills that stereotype of the burnt out stoner without any motivation, these people stick out to us because they are obvious and act out the stereotype of the "Stoner".

However, I would venture to guess, that for every "heavy user" who "become a shell of their former self", there are thousands of daily smokers/vapers who are living their lives functionally and happily, you just don't notice them because they don't flaunt their regular mj use.

Wouldn't these issues be making big headlines in scientific journals (you know, objective scientific research in a peer reviewed journal) if researchers had actually discovered any causation between heavy mj use and emotional well-being?

The anti-legalization lobby would jump all over such a study and you would hear about it constantly, but guess what? I don't know of any such study. Yes, there are some studies that suggest mj reducing motivation slightly in some people across regular use, but if someone chooses that and feels that the positive effects outweigh the negative, why should we start accusing them of being emotional "shells"?

Edit:
I would never deny that people self-medicate for both physical and emotional pain/issues and that this can cause problems in their lives. However, I think in the grand scheme of substances/behaviours one can fall on to aid with difficulties, mj is pretty innocuous. Compared to the alternatives like alcohol, cigarettes, pharmaceuticals (when abused), food/overeating, and any other number of damaging influences.

 

[Gunky]

Consuming the exact same amount of cannabis could constitute self-destructive behavior for one person and no big deal for someone else. Who you are and where you are in your life are more significant.

 

[RUDE BOY]

The closest thing we have to MJ is alcohol in terms of effects ...

The above statement is pretty out of this world and all kinds of fucking stupid !

I don't know what world you live on but i do not believe it's even in this universe.

alcohol vs marijuana lets see now: If i don't wake and vape I can't eat food without throwing it up 30 minutes later which means i also throw up the life saving RX meds i have to take with food. also I would not have use of my fingers to allow me to type this post. I would still be taking large enough doses of narcotics a few times a day that they would KILL MOST people, now i take none!
I could go on more on the benefits of cannabis for me but why ?


I'm sorry but Fucking ALCOHOL HAS NONE OF THESE EFFECTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MindFork]

And on the flipside, when I was in massage school, around the same time, I would get high on lunch breaks then come back to enjoy the massage/get massaged portion of class. One day I was tragically out of weed, so instead of taking off during the break I sat outside for a while. A classmate talked to me for a few minutes, and then said "you're acting really weird today, are you stoned or something??" I laughed and said, "actually, it's the one day I'm not!"

You're making my case for me here. If a person can't feel good/ok/normal without cannabis (or any other substance) there is a dependency issue.

@MindFork - in an effort to bring closure, and hopefully get this thread out of my mind, i just have to post ... i can't possibly post what i really want to say, so just two things: 1) i pretty much disagree with everything you said, and 2) if your opinion is formed from the people you know, i humbly suggest you need to find some different friends.

just my opinion, of course.

Thank you for your self-control.
I left all those "case studies" in the dust years ago, coming to the conclusion that I'm not compatible with most hard-core stoners. There have been a couple notable exceptions, but they understood the value of taking a break and letting the cannabinoid levels reset. One of those dude-bros even gave it up all together a while back, discarding his rank of "Major Stoner."

See I think you have created a "rule" in your mind about heavy mj use = emotional/psychological detriment. However, as others in this thread have noted, these are all based on anecdotes and by your words "repeated polling of stoner friends", suggesting some kind of pseudo-scientific process/analysis.
This is inherently problematic because you are assuming correlation is causation and that anecdotal evidence reflects the mass population of humans.Just because you see someone who uses cannabis heavily (I would assume publicly if you were able to observe them) have something go wrong in their life or their personality changes or experience loss of motivation etc. does mean cannabis is a cause of that.
I think most people can think of a person who fulfills that stereotype of the burnt out stoner without any motivation, these people stick out to us because they are obvious and act out the stereotype of the "Stoner".
However, I would venture to guess, that for every "heavy user" who "become a shell of their former self", there are thousands of daily smokers/vapers who are living their lives functionally and happily, you just don't notice them because they don't flaunt their regular mj use.
Wouldn't these issues be making big headlines in scientific journals (you know, objective scientific research in a peer reviewed journal) if researchers had actually discovered any causation between heavy mj use and emotional well-being?
The anti-legalization lobby would jump all over such a study and you would hear about it constantly, but guess what? I don't know of any such study. Yes, there are some studies that suggest mj reducing motivation slightly in some people across regular use, but if someone chooses that and feels that the positive effects outweigh the negative, why should we start accusing them of being emotional "shells"?

First, I'm not arguing against daily use. I am arguing against ALL DAY (and night) use. I'm also not really looking to "convert" any of the "super-users" out there, but rather to connect with those who may be questioning their usage level and looking to strike a healthy balance between sobriety and cannabis use.

Lack of studies does not disprove anything, as there are so few studies done on cannabis and none of them focus on something as difficult to measure as well being. People are too likely to misreport their internal state to make it seem like everything is "fine."

Many people lie to themselves in various ways in an effort to convince themselves that they are ok. Yet when a person uses cannabis to alleviate an emotional symptom (depression, anxiety, etc) the cannabis can either help them delve into their subconscious to find the source of the symptom, or the person can choose to view the sense of well-being that cannabis induces as a "good enough" treatment.

The problem with the second option is that the underlying issues are not resolved. Additionally, the need for ever larger, more frequent cannabis dosing will grow until wake-n-bake 24/7/365/ounce per day consumption becomes their "normal" state.

I know I'm poking at a sore spot in a forum where this opinion is very unpopular. I kind of "opened my big mouth" on that other thread, but there's no turning back at this point.

Chemical dependency is a huge problem in our society, regardless of the chemical used. SSRIs, benzos, oxycodone, alcohol or the wonderful cannabis plant can all be abused, over-used and form a dependency.

Fortunately, it only takes one week break from cannabis to clear one's system, and the person can then choose a lower-consumption lifestyle that leaves more room for other positive lifestyle choices.

The guys I've known who went from getting high morning to midnight to going clean for a week, a month, etc all realized how much time and energy they had to put into "maintaining" that high. Time and energy that could be put to better use in other areas of their life.

The above statement is pretty out of this world and all kinds of fucking stupid !

I don't know what world you live on but i do not believe it's even in this universe.

alcohol vs marijuana lets see now: If i don't wake and vape I can't eat food without throwing it up 30 minutes later which means i also throw up the life saving RX meds i have to take with food. also I would not have use of my fingers to allow me to type this post. I would still be taking large enough doses of narcotics a few times a day that they would KILL MOST of the people, now i take none! I could go on but why ?

I'm sorry but Fucking ALCOHOL HAS NONE OF THESE EFFECTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cool straw-man argument, bro. I'll make one right back: Plenty of alcoholics can't get out of bed or eat solid food until some alcohol is in their system. But none of that is central to anything being debated here.

I guess you missed or ignored the part of the original post where I wrote: "All of this is strictly for physically healthy people who do not rely on cannabis to control pain."

None of anything I'm writing about applies to Medical MJ patients like yourself, and I am glad that you have access to cannabis to help you have a better quality of life.

I'm writing this for people who's quality of life has actually decreased because they are using more MJ than is healthy for them. Thanks for writing in, though.

 

[lwien]

Fortunately, it only takes one week break from cannabis to clear one's system......

It can take a lot longer than that depending on how much one uses.

... or the person can choose to view the sense of well-being that cannabis induces as a "good enough" treatment.

The problem with the second option is that the underlying issues are not resolved. Additionally, the need for ever larger, more frequent cannabis dosing will grow until wake-n-bake 24/7/365/ounce per day consumption becomes their "normal" state.

That general statement is simply not true. What is true is that "some" who self-medicate to address an emotional or psychological issue and feel that this treatment is good enough, "may" increase their dosage to wake-n-bake status, but what is also true is that there are many who won't increase their dosage at all, let alone to the levels you describe.

A very valid argument can be made that EVERYONE who uses cannabis recreationally, uses it to address an emotional issue of one sort or another for if someone was totally content with their emotional and psychological state of being, why would they desire to alter it. But with your statements above, you are indicating that all recreational users will increase their dosages to wake and bake status, eh, which obviously does not happen.

 

[TriiKLe]

I think this same perspective can be applied to any substance. It is not the substance that makes the person. Unproductive, non-positive, and UN-loving people can come on all colors, shapes, and sizes.

We also need to realize that the body is a filter. It adapts and is always in a state of adjustment. Every chemical, compound, or "drug" effects the physiology and we can be addicted or dependent to it
(caffeine, sodium, carbohydrates, nicotine, opiates, thc, cbd, food additives, msg) you name it, if it is in you, it is affecting you.

The body will start to crave things that it is used to even if it is harmful to itself.

I think a classic example of substance abuse/dependency that is overlooked in society is a caffeine consumer who just needs to get a good nights sleep but they do not. Instead they are sleepy in the morning because they did not sleep well, so they consume caffeine to wake up and get through the day. By the time they get to bed, assuming that they can fall asleep in the first place, the caffeine is still in their system so their body and mind does not get the rejuvenating sleep it needs, then in the morning it starts all over again.

What would the world be like if EVERYBODY woke up after a long restful night of sleep?

 

[RUDE BOY]

Sorry about the rant i did miss that in the OP.

but still:
I am a recovering alcoholic with 27 years now without a drink, I worked 5 years in a hardcore alcohol/narcotic detox facility (not rehab) and have wrapped drunks in body bags myself, So i know "Demon" alcohol up close and personal.

I've known persons who lost touch with day to day life just like 'a lost stoner' but they also only did things like read romance novels all day or gamble or play video games or engage in lots of random sex but used no drugs. Some people are predisposed to getting caught up in the things that bring 'em Pleasure to the exclusion of pretty near everything else i wouldn't think getting stoned would be left off that list of escapist activities.

 

[Gunky]

Why work so hard trying to establish a 'norm' and put down anything else? After all these years of taking shit for doing cannabis now we have to take shit for doing too much cannabis from born again moderation acolytes?

 

[pakalolo]

The above statement is pretty out of this world and all kinds of fucking stupid !

I don't know what world you live on but i do not believe it's even in this universe.

alcohol vs marijuana lets see now: If i don't wake and vape I can't eat food without throwing it up 30 minutes later which means i also throw up the life saving RX meds i have to take with food. also I would not have use of my fingers to allow me to type this post. I would still be taking large enough doses of narcotics a few times a day that they would KILL MOST people, now i take none!
I could go on more on the benefits of cannabis for me but why ?


I'm sorry but Fucking ALCOHOL HAS NONE OF THESE EFFECTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I'm about to say applies to more than just you. I see that you apologized for your rant and I commend that, but I'm posting this anyway.

If you can't be respectful when you respond, then don't; otherwise, you will force me or another moderator to give you a warning point. Personal comments are out of order. They're not just poor debating tactics, they're against our rules. There were several disrespectful posts in the thread that gave birth to this one, and I went out of my way not to give anyone points. Now I see them starting up here. Please don't.

Lack of studies does not disprove anything, as there are so few studies done on cannabis and none of them focus on something as difficult to measure as well being. People are too likely to misreport their internal state to make it seem like everything is "fine."

The underlined part isn't correct. According to NORML there have been around 10000 published studies and reviews of cannabis in the past five years. I'm pretty sure some of them have included attempts to measure at least some aspects of well-being, since this would be key to a patient's recovery. You have been misled by the ubiquitous delaying tactic: "More study is needed." We don't need more studies, we need the political will to accept the overwhelming evidence and abolish the prohibition. The refusal to accept the true nature of cannabis means that an enormous amount of suffering is allowed to continue.

I know I'm poking at a sore spot in a forum where this opinion is very unpopular. I kind of "opened my big mouth" on that other thread, but there's no turning back at this point.

This kind of statement is unnecessary and flame-provoking. Please refrain.

Why work so hard trying to establish a 'norm' and put down anything else? After all these years of taking shit for doing cannabis now we have to take shit for doing too much cannabis from born again moderation acolytes?

Respect: have it or don't post.

 

[MindFork]

It can take a lot longer than that depending on how much one uses.



That general statement is simply not true. What is true is that "some" who self-medicate to address an emotional or psychological issue and feel that this treatment is good enough, "may" increase their dosage to wake-n-bake status, but what is also true is that there are many who won't increase their dosage at all, let alone to the levels you describe.

A very valid argument can be made that EVERYONE who uses cannabis recreationally, uses it to address an emotional issue of one sort or another for if someone was totally content with their emotional and psychological state of being, why would they desire to alter it. But with your statements above, you are indicating that all recreational users will increase their dosages to wake and bake status, eh, which obviously does not happen.

These are very good points, and they illustrate that I was typing too fast and made my point poorly.

Real fast on the "clearance" part. Yes, a test will still show cannabis in the system, but the person will feel totally "normal" after a week, and usually just a few days. Maybe some "super-users" who have been at that level for years will take a bit longer.

To the main point, I see generally two patterns in regards to emotional issues, which of course everyone has. The first path is to delve into it, root out the source and work on healing / letting go. The second path is denial and suppression. This leads to ever more denial and suppression, usually requiring larger and larger doses of whatever chemical assistance is being used to facilitate the suppression.

The amazing thing about cannabis is that it can be used for either of those paths. However for path one to be effective, a contrast is needed. A balance of yin (being high) and yang (sobriety) combined with deep reflection can show a person where their blind spots are. We've all had those amazing cannabis breakthroughs where suddenly a pattern within ourselves is highlighted in bold so clear that we're surprised we didn't see it before.

What I've noticed when using too heavily, and confirmed with heavy users, is that those breakthrough moments come less and less with heavy usage. But the good news is that just 44 hours is enough for most people to have a mini-reset and be primed for their next cannabis inspired "ah-ha!" moment.

I think most of us have also experienced feeling crappy and using cannabis to bring up our mood day in and day out, earlier and earlier in the day, which leads down path two because we're not looking at *why* we're feeling crappy.

Sorry about the rant i did miss that in the OP.

but still:
I am a recovering alcoholic with 27 years now without a drink, I worked 5 years in a hardcore alcohol/narcotic detox facility (not rehab) and have wrapped drunks in body bags myself, So i know "Demon" alcohol up close and personal.

I've known persons who lost touch with day to day life just like 'a lost stoner' but they also only did things like read romance novels all day or gamble or play video games or engage in lots of random sex. Some people are predisposed to getting caught up in the things that bring 'em Pleasure to the exclusion of pretty near everything else i wouldn't think getting stoned would be left off that list of escapist activities.

Absolutely! Anything can be addictive or used as a form of escapism...even work! I'm just advocating that we don't use cannabis for escapism. If there is a medical need, that's a whole different story.

I think this same perspective can be applied to any substance. It is not the substance that makes the person. Unproductive, non-positive, and UN-loving people can come on all colors, shapes, and sizes.

We also need to realize that the body is a filter. It adapts and is always in a state of adjustment. Every chemical, compound, or "drug" effects the physiology and we can be addicted or dependent to it
(caffeine, sodium, carbohydrates, nicotine, opiates, thc, cbd, food additives, msg) you name it, if it is in you, it is affecting you.

The body will start to crave things that it is used to even if it is harmful to itself.

I think a classic example of substance abuse/dependency that is overlooked in society is a caffeine consumer who just needs to get a good nights sleep but they do not. Instead they are sleepy in the morning because they did not sleep well, so they consume caffeine to wake up and get through the day. By the time they get to bed, assuming that they can fall asleep in the first place, the caffeine is still in their system so their body and mind does not get the rejuvenating sleep it needs, then in the morning it starts all over again.

What would the world be like if EVERYBODY woke up after a long restful night of sleep?

I completely agree.

The underlined part isn't correct. According to NORML there have been around 10000 published studies and reviews of cannabis in the past five years. I'm pretty sure some of them have included attempts to measure at least some aspects of well-being, since this would be key to a patient's recovery. You have been misled by the ubiquitous delaying tactic: "More study is needed." We don't need more studies, we need the political will to accept the overwhelming evidence and abolish the prohibition. The refusal to accept the true nature of cannabis means that an enormous amount of suffering is allowed to continue.

Fair enough. However, I do not place much faith in studies simply because they can be skewed by so many factors, especially in areas that require self-reporting. I agree that we don't need more studies. At all. IMO, cannabis just needs to be legalized so that people with medical needs can have unfettered access, the rest of us can enjoy it recreationally, and the hemp industry can tool up nationwide.

This kind of statement is unnecessary and flame-provoking. Please refrain.

Understood.

 

[t-dub]

Funny how people find some routine that works for them and suddenly they've got religion and want to save everybody from the benighted state they previously were in and start proselytizing all over the place

The closest thing we have to MJ is alcohol in terms of effects . . .

Your body has an endocannabinoid system not an endo-ethanol system. Everyone is different and cannabis is an adaptogen. Please do not assume what works for you will automatically work for others, this can be insulting to some, especially medical patients. ANY medicine can be abused by healthy people.

 

[lwien]

To the main point, I see generally two patterns in regards to emotional issues, which of course everyone has. The first path is to delve into it, root out the source and work on healing / letting go. The second path is denial and suppression. This leads to ever more denial and suppression, usually requiring larger and larger doses of whatever chemical assistance is being used to facilitate the suppression.

There is a third path which you are not recognizing at all and that is.........no denial with just a bit of suppression. There are many of us who are totally aware of what we are either suppressing or enhancing and we choose to do so without ever "looking for a cure".

We've all had those amazing cannabis breakthroughs where suddenly a pattern within ourselves is highlighted in bold so clear that we're surprised we didn't see it before.

Wrong again. You really have to stop making blanket statements like that. Not all of us have had those "amazing cannabis breakthroughs" that you speak of. I did have a breakthrough like you describe above, but it happened on acid. Never have I had one on cannabis.

 

[MindFork]

Your body has an endocannabinoid system not an endo-ethanol system. Everyone is different and cannabis is an adaptogen. Please do not assume what works for you will automatically work for others, this can be insulting to some, especially medical patients. ANY medicine can be abused by healthy people.

Please reread my OP, especially the part about medical patients and drop the alcohol arguments. I have stated repeatedly that cannabis is superior to alcohol in every conceivable way. The analogy that some seem so reluctant to look it is that if someone has an alcohol dependency, it is acknowledged that they have a problem, but there is this idea in our community that a cannabis dependency is no big deal at all. Medical patients get a pass, obviously.

There is a third path which you are not recognizing at all and that is.........no denial with just a bit of suppression. There are many of us who are totally aware of what we are either suppressing or enhancing and we choose to do so without ever "looking for a cure".

I think you're splitting hairs, but I'm cool with that.

Wrong again. You really have to stop making blanket statements like that. Not all of us have had those "amazing cannabis breakthroughs" that you speak of. I did have a breakthrough like you describe above, but it happened on acid. Never have I had one on cannabis.

Fair enough. But I can tell you how to achieve that with cannabis if you're interested...

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Fair enough. However, I do not place much faith in studies simply because they can be skewed by so many factors

True, but opinions based on anecdotal evidence can be pretty skewed too...

I don't understand how you don't place much faith in studies, but place enough faith in your opinion to start a thread suggesting a more proper way to use cannabis for those without physical ailments ...

I agree with you on some points, hear you on others, and could not disagree more on a few. Interesting discussion, at the end of the day.

 

[lwien]

I think you're splitting hairs, but I'm cool with that.

Splitting hairs? That statement that you are referring to as "splitting hairs" challenges just about everything that you have said.

But I can tell you how to achieve that with cannabis if you're interested...

Now you're proselytizing.

You view cannabis as this very powerful, "sacred" plant that can be the destroyer of lives. I view it as a minor intoxicant of minor significance that can be abused much like anything else, and anything that one abuses has a ticket attached to it that eventually, must be paid.

But alas, I think I'm done with this conversation because this bears too much of a resemblance of having a debate about religion with a recently converted born again Christian.

I think I'm outta here.... for now..........

 

[RUDE BOY]

... I'm just advocating that we don't use cannabis for escapism. If there is a medical need, that's a whole different story.

Then your pretty much saying no recreational use period ?

 

[mestizo]

You view cannabis as this very powerful, "sacred" plant that can be the destroyer of lives. I view it as a minor intoxicant of minor significance that can be abused much like anything else, and anything that one abuses has a ticket attached to it that eventually, must be paid.

With all due respect to both of you, I think there's no denial that cannabis have different effects on people, and one of those effects is a religious one, just take a look at its history, and frankly I don't know why there isn't more talk of it in these forums, maybe because religious conversations get nasty pretty quick.

On the other hand, cannabis has none religious effect in a lot of individuals.

I used to partake on LSD, and it took a few experiences until it hit me in a very ineffable, religious way. Before that, it was all laughter and joy, just fun.

 

[MindFork]

True, but opinions based on anecdotal evidence can be pretty skewed too...

I don't understand how you don't place much faith in studies, but place enough faith in your opinion to start a thread suggesting a more proper way to use cannabis for those without physical ailments ...

What can I say? I am quite full of my Self. However, I find this to be preferable to the many other things one can be full of.

Splitting hairs? That statement that you are referring to as "splitting hairs" challenges just about everything that you have said.

You stated: There is a third path which you are not recognizing at all and that is.........no denial with just a bit of suppression. There are many of us who are totally aware of what we are either suppressing or enhancing and we choose to do so without ever "looking for a cure".

You're offering a third option (I'm a big fan of third options) of being aware of an issue, and using "a bit of suppression" in managing it. That doesn't negate the other two options, it simply provides a more finely nuanced distinction between them. The middle pillar, as it were... (I shouldn't have called it splitting hairs, though. My bad.)

Now you're proselytizing.

That's just like...your opinion, man.

You view cannabis as this very powerful, "sacred" plant that can be the destroyer of lives. I view it as a minor intoxicant of minor significance that can be abused much like anything else, and anything that one abuses has a ticket attached to it that eventually, must be paid.

But alas, I think I'm done with this conversation because this bears too much of a resemblance of having a debate about religion with a recently converted born again Christian.

I think I'm outta here.... for now..........

Nature is teeming with sacredness...but we are usually too preoccupied with our lives to notice.

Sacred means secret...not something religious. What is kept sacred (secret) from the "profane" (I'm not calling you that, though) stays secret because a different consciousness is required to access it than is programmed into us by society.

No belief is required, no gods are required, no worship or giving away one's power is required to access the sacred. One merely has to be willing to admit "I don't know everything there is to know." When that is combined with a sense of appreciation and gratitude that there is more experience to derive from life than we are currently accessing, along with a desire to tap into that "something more," then the things that used to be secreted away from our awareness begin to be revealed.

To put it another way: you get out of a thing what you put into it. That's a bit reductionist, but it applies.

Then your pretty much saying no recreational use period ?

Nope. Just advocating for balanced use and honest self-examination so that we don't use it for escapism. Cannabis can help someone see reality that their belief system doesn't want to acknowledge, but it does depend on the intent that one puts into its use, and how we apply ourselves once under its influence.

I used to partake on LSD, and it took a few experiences until it hit me in a very ineffable, religious way. Before that, it was all laughter and joy, just fun.

Thanks for posting this, because it backs up what I just typed above. You went deeper into the reality of that substance and accessed the secreted (aka sacred) aspects of it that you hadn't seen before.

So what changed? The substance was the same, but you were different. You put more into the experience (even if it was just more of your time, or perhaps more receptivity) and got more out of it as a result.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Sacred means secret...not something religious. What is kept sacred (secret) from the "profane" (I'm not calling you that, though) stays secret because a different consciousness is required to access it than is programmed into us by society

cool, I like to make up my own meaning for words, too ... however, it does make it hard to have a conversation:

sa·cred
ˈsākrid/holy, hallowed, blessed, consecrated, sanctified, venerated, revered;More
archaicblest
"the priest entered the sacred place"

• religious rather than secular.
  "sacred music"
  synonyms:religious, spiritual, devotional, church, ecclesiasticalMore
  "sacred music"
  antonyms:secular, profane
• (of writing or text) embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion.
  "a sacred Hindu text"
• regarded with great respect and reverence by a particular religion, group, or individual.
  "an animal sacred to Mexican culture"
• sacrosanct.
  "to a police officer nothing is sacred"
  synonyms:sacrosanct, inviolable, inviolate, invulnerable, untouchable, protected, defended, secureMore

 

[t-dub]

What can I say? I am quite full of my Self. However, I find this to be preferable to the many other things one can be full of.

This comment invites breaking the "be nice" rule so I won't.

Nope. Just advocating for balanced use and honest self-examination so that we don't use it for escapism.

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? It seems you think you know the "best" way for "people" to use cannabis. Change the "we" to an "I" and you're on track.

 

[Stu]

Change the "we" to an "I" and you're on track.

@MindFork If you would've taken this (albeit belated) advice I would've "liked" most of your posts in this thread.

 

[Vitolo]

So if you're........

Well meaning, yet long winded, judgmental and sanctimonious post.

Just advocating for balanced use and honest self-examination so that we don't use it for escapism.

Who is "we"?... do you have a mouse in your pocket?
Who put you in charge of honest self examination?
Trying my best to hold my tongue.
Any comments should be directed to my inbox.. It may be difficult to stay subscribed to this thread, even for a laugh!
My advice:
Take care of your own health needs.

 

[lwien]

Well meaning, yet long winded, judgmental and sanctimonious post.

Sanctimonious !! THAT is the word I was looking for.

I hate that feeling when ya have a word right on the tip of your tongue and for the love of God, you just can't seem to remember it, and then................someone else STEALS your word and uses it in THEIR post.

Fuck you Vito...............

 

[Hippie Dickie]

(... must be the drugs ...)

except in my case it's old age.

 

[lwien]

(... must be the drugs ...)

except in my case it's old age.

In our case, I don't think those two comments are mutually exclusive.