Occasional dry hit's mixing at 1:1 but not bad. Moving closer to 1.5:1 seems to improve this. Coincidentally I have found when I leave this thing in my hot car for a few hours whenever I come back to it it hit's like a MONSTER. Maybe the heat making things flow a little smoother?
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Occasional dry hit's mixing at 1:1 but not bad. Moving closer to 1.5:1 seems to improve this. Coincidentally I have found when I leave this thing in my hot car for a few hours whenever I come back to it it hit's like a MONSTER. Maybe the heat making things flow a little smoother?
CharlieBelmont
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I received some Connoisseur Concentrates "The Solution" and was finally able to mix some up. It came out of West Lynn, OR. Pretty sure I am done with the PG's ect... This Solution tastes waaaay better to me.
Got the 10 sample pack and chose all solutions and no batteries.
So far I only have tried the Original and Strawberry. I used the strawberry on some lower quality, not so great tasting shatter in a disposable cart and it actually really helps out the poor quality stuffs flavor. I'm not really into "flavorings" but this seemed like a perfect trial for it and it made some stuff I wasn't really interested in bearable.
The orig i used on some higher quality stuff in a brand new K1 tank. It is very floral and a little bit lemony - tastes amazing and none of the burnt flavor or weird aftertastes I get from the PG/PEG products. 1:1 made it a little thinner than 1:1 of ej or majic, so it seems you could use a bit less of this if you wanted. Pretty sure I am moving on to these terpene oils.
Got the 10 sample pack and chose all solutions and no batteries.
So far I only have tried the Original and Strawberry. I used the strawberry on some lower quality, not so great tasting shatter in a disposable cart and it actually really helps out the poor quality stuffs flavor. I'm not really into "flavorings" but this seemed like a perfect trial for it and it made some stuff I wasn't really interested in bearable.
The orig i used on some higher quality stuff in a brand new K1 tank. It is very floral and a little bit lemony - tastes amazing and none of the burnt flavor or weird aftertastes I get from the PG/PEG products. 1:1 made it a little thinner than 1:1 of ej or majic, so it seems you could use a bit less of this if you wanted. Pretty sure I am moving on to these terpene oils.
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Hey thanks so much this was exactly the review I was looking for. I was thinking of doing the same thing with the sample pack and getting all Original. Are the sample bottles 1 gram each? Would you say the flavor of the original is "weedlike"?
CharlieBelmont
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The receipt says .6 each, but I think they are closer to 1 gram each. The bottles actually say to use .5:1, but out of habit I started right at like 1:1 using .8 and then mixed in a little more concentrate because it was so thin. Still had a couple drops left over so had to be close to a gram. I think .75:1 would be about right for me. Basically you should get 1-2 one gram carts per sample bottle depending on your pref.
The original flavor is actually hard to describe, and for me, the experience is more a combination of flavor and smell in the way that your are sort of tasting the smell, if that makes any sense.
If you held me to several words they would be something like "Rose-petal, citrisy weed"
It totally brings out the whole "aromatherapy" part of the experience and puts it at the forefront - which I did not get from the PEG products. It is pretty potent stuff, like I said, I think I overdid it a touch, but it is very fragrant and perfume-y, like if you were to isolate a couple of smells or tastes out of a very floral type of weed, while fresh, and make and essential oil out of it. Which I guess is basically the process maybe using other plants that share some terpenes. So not exactly "weedlike", but definitely weed reminiscent (of a very floral strain).
I have yet to try the lemon, and too bad you cannot get the tangerine or orange in a sample pack because I am interested in the natural ones and those are flavors I find in strains I like. The strawberry will probably be great for a person used to vaping nic e-liquids wanting a "flavoring" and whatnot, but it doesn't have the same aromatherapy affect on me as this G-rilla shiz. I'm like sitting here smelling my tank while i'm not hitting it.
That said I'm still glad i got some variety, not like me to go all 10 on one thing without knowing and I like to change it up. That would suck if you end up hating it @ 10 for 70 bucks. So far I can't find a reason you would though if the price isn't a turn off.
The original flavor is actually hard to describe, and for me, the experience is more a combination of flavor and smell in the way that your are sort of tasting the smell, if that makes any sense.
If you held me to several words they would be something like "Rose-petal, citrisy weed"
It totally brings out the whole "aromatherapy" part of the experience and puts it at the forefront - which I did not get from the PEG products. It is pretty potent stuff, like I said, I think I overdid it a touch, but it is very fragrant and perfume-y, like if you were to isolate a couple of smells or tastes out of a very floral type of weed, while fresh, and make and essential oil out of it. Which I guess is basically the process maybe using other plants that share some terpenes. So not exactly "weedlike", but definitely weed reminiscent (of a very floral strain).
I have yet to try the lemon, and too bad you cannot get the tangerine or orange in a sample pack because I am interested in the natural ones and those are flavors I find in strains I like. The strawberry will probably be great for a person used to vaping nic e-liquids wanting a "flavoring" and whatnot, but it doesn't have the same aromatherapy affect on me as this G-rilla shiz. I'm like sitting here smelling my tank while i'm not hitting it.
That said I'm still glad i got some variety, not like me to go all 10 on one thing without knowing and I like to change it up. That would suck if you end up hating it @ 10 for 70 bucks. So far I can't find a reason you would though if the price isn't a turn off.
gladthaturaglide
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So this company doesn't have a flavorless version of their product from what I can tell? the closest they come is a product that uses naturally occurring terpenes from other plants that happen to co-exist in certain strains of cannabis for flavor. So in short they have a strain specific weed flavored liquid with no other fruit flavorings but no flavorless liquid? and right now the only weed flavor they offer is a g13 x gorilla glue flavor?
gladthaturaglide
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Hey there everyone,
I'm new to this thread. Some question's off the bat:
1.Whats the most standard ratio people use with Vapeur extract flavorless? Anyone ever tried a genesis tank with steel mesh? I figured with most of the concentrate liquids having more pg or peg overall than vg that this would potentially work well if the liquid doesn't get too thick from the concentrate itself.
2. RDA's, I saw some mention in the thread but maybe I didn't read back far enough. Anyone ever dosed their liquid on the weak side of things purposely and used it in a dripper at a decently high temp?
3. Do you guys prefer sub tanks at high wattage or more traditional tanks with smaller wick holes under the 30 watt range? ( I used to find with ejmix that it would burn my throat if i turned the wattage up to high, i assumed it was all the PG/PEG, Haven't tried this is vapeur extract though.)
4. Has temperature control made things better?
I'm new to this thread. Some question's off the bat:
1.Whats the most standard ratio people use with Vapeur extract flavorless? Anyone ever tried a genesis tank with steel mesh? I figured with most of the concentrate liquids having more pg or peg overall than vg that this would potentially work well if the liquid doesn't get too thick from the concentrate itself.
2. RDA's, I saw some mention in the thread but maybe I didn't read back far enough. Anyone ever dosed their liquid on the weak side of things purposely and used it in a dripper at a decently high temp?
3. Do you guys prefer sub tanks at high wattage or more traditional tanks with smaller wick holes under the 30 watt range? ( I used to find with ejmix that it would burn my throat if i turned the wattage up to high, i assumed it was all the PG/PEG, Haven't tried this is vapeur extract though.)
4. Has temperature control made things better?
CharlieBelmont
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Basically you nailed it. No flavorless option. I think by the nature of this method you are going to end up with flavors, because terpenes have flavors. I def could be wrong on that. It does so happen that they break down the sticky just as well as PEG though. So you have flavors still, but they are better than the flavor of PEG (to me) and are possibly ones already found in your material anyway. Maybe someone will still come out with a truly flavorless option but even the VG has a taste to it.
I have to say that the strawberry is so different tasting from the original that I can't imagine it has the same terpenes in it. It basically only tastes like your product plus some strawberry. Cannot taste this G-rilla flavors in it at all. Their base must be pretty different.
Someone posted another terpene brand the other day so I assume we will see more of this stuff - https://extractconsultants.com/product/terpene-sample-kit-consumer/
Havn't checked these out yet. Seems all flavored as well. From their page:
"Flavor and effect are adversely affected by volatile extractions because they are just that. Volatile. They strip away terpenes along with the effects and aromas that go along with them, leaving you with a flat finished product."
gladthaturaglide
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It seems that the new thing is to find something that THC is soluble in and still vapable. it seems next to PEG these terpene based liquids are the most soluble and vapable solution people have come up with. But by nature terpene's are what give flavors and aroma's to plant matter so does that mean it's not technically possible to have truly flavorless terpene? Anyways, my main concern is an example like this. If i am trying to make a Sour D vape liquid but it ends up tasting like gorilla glue/g13 cause of the solvent liquid i used. Did the terpenes in the liquid have a noticeable affect upon the flavor of the concentrate you were using? Did the two mix, or did the natural flavor of the concentrate kind of overpower the terpene solvent flavor?
CharlieBelmont
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Having only mixed one batch, and having admittedly over-mixed at 1:1 originally and probably not getting it back down to a .5:1 I would say this g-rilla is overpowering the flavor a little bit, but i think would be a pretty good trade of flavors at the appropriate .5:1
So far in my experience, these mixers were all about convenience/quantity in the tank w/out reloading at the cost of flavor. If you really want to preserve the flavor of your Sour D right now you'd need to go with a straight concentrate cart from invisible friend, divine tribe, w9 ect.
From the products I have tried, Flavor-wise I would rate them as follows.
Solution>Vapeur Extract>Puff Majic>EJ
All original flavor. Puff and Vapeur Extract running pretty close. Totally subjective of course
So far in my experience, these mixers were all about convenience/quantity in the tank w/out reloading at the cost of flavor. If you really want to preserve the flavor of your Sour D right now you'd need to go with a straight concentrate cart from invisible friend, divine tribe, w9 ect.
From the products I have tried, Flavor-wise I would rate them as follows.
Solution>Vapeur Extract>Puff Majic>EJ
All original flavor. Puff and Vapeur Extract running pretty close. Totally subjective of course
Wow its amazing that .5 of The Solution would thin it out that much. I'm excited to try this stuff. I did notice on the website that each sample bottle is stated as weighing .6 it's crazy that the only larger step up is $125 for 25ml. I guess I should really do a sample before committing to that.
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gladthaturaglide
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there is a youtube video on the companies youtube profile page if you guys wanna see a demonstration but with the high price tag I'm sticking with vapeur extract for now.
Hi guys,
Just read through the entire thread and wanted to thank everyone for contributing!
I'm curious about this product called, "The Solution" by Connoisseur Concentrates. My initial thought was, -There's no way it can be mostly terpene based as that would be overpowering any and all flavors from the concentrate. My second thought was -Perhaps this could just be some highly refined MCT oil with some blend of terpenes added in for flavoring. They do seem to claim it is based off "all organic" sources so I'm left wondering what exactly is in "The Solution?"
Any ideas? I'd really like to know exactly what I'm putting into my body. An alternative carrier to PEG, PG, and VG would be fantastic!
Thanks
-DZ
Just read through the entire thread and wanted to thank everyone for contributing!
I'm curious about this product called, "The Solution" by Connoisseur Concentrates. My initial thought was, -There's no way it can be mostly terpene based as that would be overpowering any and all flavors from the concentrate. My second thought was -Perhaps this could just be some highly refined MCT oil with some blend of terpenes added in for flavoring. They do seem to claim it is based off "all organic" sources so I'm left wondering what exactly is in "The Solution?"
Any ideas? I'd really like to know exactly what I'm putting into my body. An alternative carrier to PEG, PG, and VG would be fantastic!
Thanks
-DZ
I haven't used this product yet but I intend to. From what I have read it IS purely terpene based. I imagine this accounts for the very steep price (compared to EJ/PM). Also I don't know another dilutant besides terpenes that could thin out a gram of shatter with as little as .3 gram of Solution (that seems crazy to me). I do wonder if this product would destroy or damage the THC at all since it does such a good job at breaking down product with such ease.
So ive been reading so many of these terpene/concentrate mixers and found pans ink linked from here. Its moar of a isolated terpene solution based on what terpene you want but it was only 15 dollars so I bought some. Ive always been extremely interested in the terpenes that we know to love from cannabis and always thought about supplementing it into my concentrate from possible loss of the terpenes so im very happy to be able to find these terpene based solutions off of here, will def. post back when I get my pan ink and test it on its own first and report back. 
zor
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Got a vstick ego open whatever the hell the form factor is called in the mail yesterday, transferred my thcjuice from the aspire nautilus mini to the new cart, puffed away, felt great! No gurgles, no problems, the carts screw on to my 20w mod and work great. While I'm not quite a fan of what appear to be silica wicks I'm quite happy with this set up so far.....now to see whether they gurgle or leak....
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or what but I got some puff majic and I mixed 1g concentrates to 3.3ml of mix. The first few drags are good then it taste like the wick goes dry. I'm using aspire k1 tank running it at 3.6
When you say "purely terpene based" - do you believe this product constitutes 99 - 100% liquid terpenes? Having worked with terpenes in the past, I am highly doubtful that this is the case..
D-Limonene acts as a very good solvent so I wouldn't be surprised if they included it in their blend.. however, anything over even 3% of this terpene will overpower any other flavor present. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here. I'm just skeptical.
As I said, it's most likely some fractional coconut or MCT oil as it's known combined with a specific ratio of "solvent-assisting" terpenes such as the d-limonene as I mentioned previously...
Then again WTF do I know.. I'm just a stoner trying to live healthy and understand what I would potentially be purchasing and ingesting.
-DZ
florduh
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@zor How would you say the V-Stick compares to the Nautilus Mini taste-wise? I'm wondering if simpler is better with cartridges for THC juice use.
Got a vstick ego open whatever the hell the form factor is called in the mail yesterday, transferred my thcjuice from the aspire nautilus mini to the new cart, puffed away, felt great! No gurgles, no problems, the carts screw on to my 20w mod and work great. While I'm not quite a fan of what appear to be silica wicks I'm quite happy with this set up so far.....now to see whether they gurgle or leak....
florduh
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@iDRINKBLEACH There are a few possibilities.
Your mix is thin enough where you really shouldn't have any problems. But our THC mixes are still tough on atomizers made for nicotine juice. When adding my THC mix to the K1 I let it sit at least 20 minutes to saturate the wick. Then I use the lowest voltage setting to slowly get the atomizer wicking. Afterwards you can start to gradually increase the voltage.
It is possible you have a defective atty as well.
Have you tried this particular concentrate before? It may have a strange taste on its own which would carry over to the e-juice.
The last thing I can think is, you may be sensitive to the PEG aftertaste. You have quite a bit of PEG floating around in 3.3ml of Puff Majic.
There is a learning curve with all of this, but when you finally have on-demand push button THC... it is worth it.
Your mix is thin enough where you really shouldn't have any problems. But our THC mixes are still tough on atomizers made for nicotine juice. When adding my THC mix to the K1 I let it sit at least 20 minutes to saturate the wick. Then I use the lowest voltage setting to slowly get the atomizer wicking. Afterwards you can start to gradually increase the voltage.
It is possible you have a defective atty as well.
Have you tried this particular concentrate before? It may have a strange taste on its own which would carry over to the e-juice.
The last thing I can think is, you may be sensitive to the PEG aftertaste. You have quite a bit of PEG floating around in 3.3ml of Puff Majic.
There is a learning curve with all of this, but when you finally have on-demand push button THC... it is worth it.
Hi Everyone,
'm satisfied with testing EJmix and adding terpenes. However, I was curious to see if the Vapeur Extract (VE) products worked just as well. I felt it was time for some proper testing and want to share my findings here with the community. I hope it helps others understand these carrier products in a better way.
I have exactly 1 gram triple winterized CO2 oil in each individual vial. Six vials total and what a coincidence, I also have six of their sample flavors
I will be testing (VE):
1. Flavorless
2. Pina Colada
3. Enhance
4. Intense
5. XXX
6. Lucid
Looking for potency, flavor, and the correct viscosity for my disposable tanks. Stay tuned
-DZ
'm satisfied with testing EJmix and adding terpenes. However, I was curious to see if the Vapeur Extract (VE) products worked just as well. I felt it was time for some proper testing and want to share my findings here with the community. I hope it helps others understand these carrier products in a better way.
I have exactly 1 gram triple winterized CO2 oil in each individual vial. Six vials total and what a coincidence, I also have six of their sample flavors
I will be testing (VE):
1. Flavorless
2. Pina Colada
3. Enhance
4. Intense
5. XXX
6. Lucid
Looking for potency, flavor, and the correct viscosity for my disposable tanks. Stay tuned
-DZ
zor
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It's kinda weird...at first it tasted great but over the course of the night the hits became harsher. Today they are fine again, and taste great. I'm using a mix of CO2 oil (from Alpine) mixed with puffmajic, frankly I'm pretty damn sick of this flavor (gummi bears). At times it did seem to be more burnt but today it tastes fine. I put the cart on my eleaf 20W and it fires fine at 3.2-3.5V, I'm very glad that option remains
So far I'm quite happy with this mix. The caregiver that provided me with CO2 oil has vanished so I'll be melting my shatter into puffmajic again, I'm still not sure I'm finding the cleanest shatter so having these relatively cheap carts may be a boon if/when they get clogged from mediocre juice.
Here's what I did today.
I was able to successfully dissolve each gram of winterized oil (WO) into the (VE) liquids.
1. Flavorless at .53gr | 1 gr (WO) -this ratio makes the final product very runny and much less potent. Winterizing means losing a good bit of terpenes so this mix tasted exactly like EJmix in my opinion. I filled one .6 mL tank and mixed approx .03gr or (6% by weight) of D-Limonene to the remaining .6 mL and filled two smaller .3 mL with this flavored mix. It turned out very good. Maybe a tad bit too strong on the lemon/orange citrus flavor, but not over powering or unpalatable at all.
2. Pina Colada at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -the flavor of the coconut and pineapple really shines through in this mix. Very tasty and enjoyable. I could see myself toking on this daily.
3. Enhance at .26gr | 1 gr (WO) -I can't tell if the flavor is enhanced or not. I honestly can't tell if there's anything enhanced in flavor or potency. I'm hoping that with time I will taste and feel the effects this one brings.. maybe.
4. Intense at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -This one smells and tastes like some kind of herbal incense of sorts. I'm not sure what the flavor is, but whatever it is it's very subtle and pleasant like some light oregano.
5. XXX at .30gr | 1 gr (WO) -Semi herbal like the Intense and supposed to stimulate sexual appetite? I'm not sure I'm tasting anything or getting horny. It's difficult to say what the taste is if there's actually any there at all.
6. Lucid at .29gr | 1 gr (WO) -There's something also slightly flavorful with this one. I can't say about the effect as I'm an insomniac but I'm going to keep using this at night time and see if there is a sleep effect in play.
Now that I have three .3 mL tank of each flavor I will give away two sets and keep one for myself. They will be providing me feedback on their preferences with taste and potency. I can tell you right now that mixing a 1 : 1 ratio with the Flavorless was probably a mistake and it's now much less potent than I had hoped for.
I also discovered that 10 drops equals .30 grams of (VE) or .30 mL (if we assume 1 gr = 1 mL). 18 drops gave me around .54gr of liquid from the sampler vials. The ratio I found best was 30/70 for VE/WO for proper potency and viscosity. The resulting ejuices are thick but wick very well and work great.
Next time I will experiment with more of their artificial flavors. I'm high as fuck from trying all these out.. impressed I was able to write this all down
-DZ
I was able to successfully dissolve each gram of winterized oil (WO) into the (VE) liquids.
1. Flavorless at .53gr | 1 gr (WO) -this ratio makes the final product very runny and much less potent. Winterizing means losing a good bit of terpenes so this mix tasted exactly like EJmix in my opinion. I filled one .6 mL tank and mixed approx .03gr or (6% by weight) of D-Limonene to the remaining .6 mL and filled two smaller .3 mL with this flavored mix. It turned out very good. Maybe a tad bit too strong on the lemon/orange citrus flavor, but not over powering or unpalatable at all.
2. Pina Colada at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -the flavor of the coconut and pineapple really shines through in this mix. Very tasty and enjoyable. I could see myself toking on this daily.
3. Enhance at .26gr | 1 gr (WO) -I can't tell if the flavor is enhanced or not. I honestly can't tell if there's anything enhanced in flavor or potency. I'm hoping that with time I will taste and feel the effects this one brings.. maybe.
4. Intense at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -This one smells and tastes like some kind of herbal incense of sorts. I'm not sure what the flavor is, but whatever it is it's very subtle and pleasant like some light oregano.
5. XXX at .30gr | 1 gr (WO) -Semi herbal like the Intense and supposed to stimulate sexual appetite? I'm not sure I'm tasting anything or getting horny. It's difficult to say what the taste is if there's actually any there at all.
6. Lucid at .29gr | 1 gr (WO) -There's something also slightly flavorful with this one. I can't say about the effect as I'm an insomniac but I'm going to keep using this at night time and see if there is a sleep effect in play.
Now that I have three .3 mL tank of each flavor I will give away two sets and keep one for myself. They will be providing me feedback on their preferences with taste and potency. I can tell you right now that mixing a 1 : 1 ratio with the Flavorless was probably a mistake and it's now much less potent than I had hoped for.
I also discovered that 10 drops equals .30 grams of (VE) or .30 mL (if we assume 1 gr = 1 mL). 18 drops gave me around .54gr of liquid from the sampler vials. The ratio I found best was 30/70 for VE/WO for proper potency and viscosity. The resulting ejuices are thick but wick very well and work great.
Next time I will experiment with more of their artificial flavors. I'm high as fuck from trying all these out.. impressed I was able to write this all down
-DZ
Here's what I did today.
I was able to successfully dissolve each gram of winterized oil (WO) into the (VE) liquids.
1. Flavorless at .53gr | 1 gr (WO) -this ratio makes the final product very runny and much less potent. Winterizing means losing a good bit of terpenes so this mix tasted exactly like EJmix in my opinion. I filled one .6 mL tank and mixed approx .03gr or (6% by weight) of D-Limonene to the remaining .6 mL and filled two smaller .3 mL with this flavored mix. It turned out very good. Maybe a tad bit too strong on the lemon/orange citrus flavor, but not over powering or unpalatable at all.
2. Pina Colada at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -the flavor of the coconut and pineapple really shines through in this mix. Very tasty and enjoyable. I could see myself toking on this daily.
3. Enhance at .26gr | 1 gr (WO) -I can't tell if the flavor is enhanced or not. I honestly can't tell if there's anything enhanced in flavor or potency. I'm hoping that with time I will taste and feel the effects this one brings.. maybe.
4. Intense at .27gr | 1 gr (WO) -This one smells and tastes like some kind of herbal incense of sorts. I'm not sure what the flavor is, but whatever it is it's very subtle and pleasant like some light oregano.
5. XXX at .30gr | 1 gr (WO) -Semi herbal like the Intense and supposed to stimulate sexual appetite? I'm not sure I'm tasting anything or getting horny. It's difficult to say what the taste is if there's actually any there at all.
6. Lucid at .29gr | 1 gr (WO) -There's something also slightly flavorful with this one. I can't say about the effect as I'm an insomniac but I'm going to keep using this at night time and see if there is a sleep effect in play.
Now that I have three .3 mL tank of each flavor I will give away two sets and keep one for myself. They will be providing me feedback on their preferences with taste and potency. I can tell you right now that mixing a 1 : 1 ratio with the Flavorless was probably a mistake and it's now much less potent than I had hoped for.
I also discovered that 10 drops equals .30 grams of (VE) or .30 mL (if we assume 1 gr = 1 mL). 18 drops gave me around .54gr of liquid from the sampler vials. The ratio I found best was 30/70 for VE/WO for proper potency and viscosity. The resulting ejuices are thick but wick very well and work great.
Next time I will experiment with more of their artificial flavors. I'm high as fuck from trying all these out.. impressed I was able to write this all down
-DZ
Wow great informative post! I'm impressed yet again with how little you had to use in the way of dilutant. Are you having any problems with wicking? Dry/burned tasting hits? Where are you sourcing your cartridges from?
These are the cheap "bud" cartridges sold on DHgate and Alibaba. Very, very cheap and made to really be single use. They all come from China.
Upon further experimentation, I've found that the consistency is key with these cartridges. Meaning, that if your end product is too viscous it won't wick as easily. This means I must take fewer hits over a longer period of time because if I don't, I will start to burn the coil and get a bad taste. If I give the pen time to "recover" or in this case its ability to wick more thick oil, it burns smoothly and without issue.
So although at 30/70 ratio of VE/WO works with highly winterized oil, it's fussy and prone to user error with these cartridges. I'm going to a 40/60 ratio next and will report back with any relevant findings.
Also, just got these in.
I ordered the original and the "MAGIC blue" which is their interpretation of blueberries. I haven't tried either as I just received them today. I will test in the next few days and provide my feedback. Only thing to note is if you're color-blind good luck trying to figure out which bottle you have. The only distinguishing feature between these two are the colored dots shown above.
-DZ