My experiences using dream herb (Calea Zacatechichi) with vapor.

[jeffp]

As an experiment I began drinking tea of this herb as my beverage during some vaporizing sessions. I had bought an ounce of it from one of the sites that sell ethnobotanical items and cacao (delicious). It looks like basic shrubbery, has a light sweet smell, and tastes like ass. It must be sweetened with honey or stevia to be palatable, and then it is. I must say that I enjoy its effect as an enhancement in late night vaporizing. The high is more hypnotic and more pronounced. Some minor audio hallucinations (distant echo from audio source, minor curiosity over direction of sound, etc.). Soon I would welcome sleep, it would overtake me. Music or whatevers on TV in the background shape and define the beginning dreams. Background media is experienced as a semi dream, as a disembodied presence, as I fell asleep. The dreams go off in many directions and are more tangibly dimensional and personal, there is some emotional awareness. Later a sudden awakening, then drift easily back to sleep. A sense of well being upon awakening that persists through the day.

There seemed to be more dreams through the sleeping event but memory of the dreams fade easy although impressions linger.

And other times there would be no discernible effect in the dream state, just a normal night's sleep, but always a relaxing enhancement to the vaporizing experience.

I put a bit of dream herb in a muslin bag, the same kind of bag used with log vapes, and let it seep in just boiled water in a glass pot for about 15 minutes, with honey or stevia added. Without sweetener it would be very bitter. I would sip on it between hits and would drink about three cups. Vaporizing makes me thirsty and tea is good for you and I like to try new things.

Calea Zacatechichi is reported still used by the Chontal Indians of Mexico to receive spiritual or divine messages while in the dream state.

Aside from the nausea and disorientation (reported occasional side effects with some users) which Ive not experienced, Ive not read anything to suggest that this herb could be damaging but there is little research, however its listed as a poison by the FDA. I dont think anyones ever died from it although it's conceivable that it could have an overdose potential, I don't know.

With this, I think it would have to be beneficial to put on something spacious and flowing like Alice Coltrane, Ali Akbar Khan, Ravi Shankar, Grateful Dead, etc., whatever does it for you, before falling asleep rather than falling asleep to the news.

These are all very subtle experiences - this is not a profound thing - but it's something that I've been enjoying particularly as an occasional vaping enhancement.

 

[lepstadder]

I have tried an extract of it, as well as just the raw herb

worth experimenting with

 

[crawdad]

picked up some recently as well, perhaps from the same place. the taste was easily ignored (for me) with a very sweet honey such as wildflower or perhaps tupelo. i pretty much slammed it and then drank some cold water.

when i was younger and lived at home i would wake up remembering at least 2-3 dreams every night, some of them very very intense, at times i would awake and have to convince myself it was just a dream, i would sometimes wake up in the dream and be moving in real just as in the dream...anyhow moving along i rarely remember any dreams and i seriously wonder if im dreaming at all anymore.

first day i drank a cup of dream herb fresh brewed it took about 30-45 minutes to notice any alteration. it creeped at first but within a few minutes it slammed my body into what i would describe as that feeling of taking 2-3 times the normal amount of benadryl. was very lethargic, had almost zero head alterations though which i was not entirely surprised of since i decided to not toke, just wanted the feeling of the tea. i did a large amount of the dream herb in my infuser (its a large one and i packed it) and steeped it for about 15 minutes. i found it to be more than i wanted, during the day that is.

second time i decided to take it at night along with 2 vaped bowls, a sativa and an indica. yes i dreamed. was not intense in terms of how dreams can be but the fact that i remembered glimpses of the dream when i awoke was a very pleasant moment as its quite rare for me now. will certainly experiment with this and do some more reading.

 

[jeffp]

The dream herb that I'm using now was purchased at arena ethnobotanicals which always seems to have products of the highest quality; that's been my experience.
bouncing bear botanicals is having a half price sale on dream herb now, like $5 an ounce; i've never ordered from this site before but I would imagine it's exactly the same - so we will see.
i've tried a few "legal alternatives" such as blue lily, kratom, damiana. Kratom did give me a pleasant effect but it can be addictive so I stopped - just tried it once.
The rest, really nothing, except for salvia of course.
Calea Zacatechichi is useful and fun, and yes, the effect can be likened to 3x a normal dose of benadryl - that's a pretty good comparison.

 

[crawdad]

arena, thats where i got it.

 

[photokographer]

For me, dreams can only be remembered it I don't smoke that night and don't sit in front of the computer right before bed

And the. What you need to do first thing when you wake up, before you even open your eyes (that's the hard part. It can be done minutes after but you won't remember as much) is to ask yourself; what did I dream? Not "did I dream " but "what"
Last night I refrained from vaping and had this sweet dream where I was reading this illuminated book and then got sucked into it as though I was in the book. So awesome, there was this epic battle. Must've done with me watching an avengers trailer earlier on that night, as well as a a game of thrones one (still haven't watched or read, do plan on it though) yesterday

Stay happy

 

[GreenLeaf]

I'm interested in using the dream herb but my dreams are already pretty vivid and realistic.

 

[crawdad]

perhaps it would intensify it, not sure...all i know is im able to either have them again or at least remember parts, before taking the tea i would remember nothing, it was night and day difference for me. im not back to the vividness or length of childhood dreams but its getting better as i continue taking the tea so i can only hope. the relaxing/droning effect of the tea makes it perfect for an evening drink about 30-45min before bed. i'll be ordering some more fo sho.

http://www.iamshaman.com/library/caleastudy.htm

 

[sunsett70]

Is drinking a primary method for this dream herb; have any of you tried just vaporizing the dream herb, whether with/without mj? would like to know some experiences.

and i always thought that when you dream, it 'takes up' sleeping time as i feel i don't get a full nights sleep when i dream. Is this a common experience or do you guys mostly feel 'refreshed' when u wake up?

 

[crawdad]

i feel way more refreshed after a night of dreams, however this could simply be due to my psychological perspective on "i really enjoyed those dreams last night" vs "damn, no dreams...time to go to work", not sure. have not combusted or vaped it, i dont plan on it right now though, the method of ingestion i prefer for this as i want the effect to be slightly delayed and last longer (typical for consumption in my experience).

 

[SD_haze]

Wonder what would happen combining the dream herb with Piracetam (nootropic drug [smart drug] that intensifies your dreams tenfold)

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Last night i tried a small pellet of 10x extract in a vaponic... i felt so heavy after 3 thick milky bongrips..Don't remember what i dreamed about but i feel like i am a bit sleepy and relaxed.. and had trouble sleeping the two days before that.. so it came like a blessing to me. Will continue to use nightly hopefully for some dream action to appear i have a huge history of receiving weird visions which much decreased in the last 2-3 years to be honest.. but still i feel like chosen one from time to time when awaking

 

[EverythingsHazy]

A lot of what I've read about Calea Z's dream effects, involve drinking it for several days before noticing it's full potential. I've also seen quite a bit of confusion involving the actual ID of the plant, with a few different species being called and sold as "Calea Z."

 

[Seek]

When I started microdosing, I've noticed my dreams slowly coming back a little.
Not much, but enough to me to remember how awesome dreaming can be and feel nostalgic about it and want to dream again.
Also want to try achieving lucidity, which would be totally awesome, I've only got lucidity once in my lifetime and it only lasted few seconds.
I've heard this herb can help with this, make dreams more vivid, realistic, continuous and memorable.
Also sometimes waking you up and letting you go back to the dream while retaining lucidity from the wake up.

So, I've just bought 4 ounces of this herb and want to try it.
I've heard the tea tastes absolutely horrible and that smoking is much easier to do if you can't bring yourself to drink that.
I've also read that vaporizing is much more effective than smoking and delivering great result even at "only" 1 gram vaped.
I've tried a test run, it's not night yet in here, so I just ground up half a gram to try how it vapes.
I've loaded about 100-200mg into my E-Nano straight stem and took a little hit...

OH... MY... GOD...
The horrible taste almost immediately overwhelmed my entire mouth/throat.
It tasted like what I would imagine snorting a huge pile of paracetamol (or aspirin?) powder would taste like.
It was so intense and bad...
Almost made me gag and I immediately had to sip something, anything to drown the taste.
And that was just a tiny hit where I stopped as soon as the taste began pouring in my mouth.
I started to worry if I'll even be able to finish that little stem.
I said to myself "fuck it, just try to go all in", clenched my fists and face and started sucking a big hit as much as could do.
I managed to take the huge hit and even before exhaling I gagged, tried to sip coffee again, but it didn't help anymore.
I tried not to vomit... for about 1 minute, then I lost it and emptied my stomach into the toilet.
Now I REALLY don't want to vape it again, it was beyond horrible.
Why is there no report about vaporizing tasting bad on the internet?
Everyone is having success, while I have jsut vomited after taking not even tenth of a dose...

Can someone tell me I'm doing something wrong?
Should i water-filter? I've vaped in dry, because its effective in tea, so that means the actives would be soluble in water, so vape-bonging it might lessen the effects.
Yet, regular bongs supposedly work well, so it could be doable.
Maybe my temp was wrong (7.5), but I believe it was right. It was not weak as a low-temp would and it didn't taste burnt.
I vaped it at the same temp as mj, and I vape that on a high end of the temp spectrum.

TLDR: Tried vaping calea, and even just one hit of a tiny bowl tasted instensely horrible an made me vomit, want to know how I could ingest this without vomiting.

edit: I guess that means if want to try it, then capsules might be the only way. But after tasting this, I'm even afraid of that. It might make my stomach upsate even without tasting it or give me some nasty burps.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

When I started microdosing, I've noticed my dreams slowly coming back a little.
Not much, but enough to me to remember how awesome dreaming can be and feel nostalgic about it and want to dream again.
Also want to try achieving lucidity, which would be totally awesome, I've only got lucidity once in my lifetime and it only lasted few seconds.
I've heard this herb can help with this, make dreams more vivid, realistic, continuous and memorable.
Also sometimes waking you up and letting you go back to the dream while retaining lucidity from the wake up.

So, I've just bought 4 ounces of this herb and want to try it.
I've heard the tea tastes absolutely horrible and that smoking is much easier to do if you can't bring yourself to drink that.
I've also read that vaporizing is much more effective than smoking and delivering great result even at "only" 1 gram vaped.
I've tried a test run, it's not night yet in here, so I just ground up half a gram to try how it vapes.
I've loaded about 100-200mg into my E-Nano straight stem and took a little hit...

OH... MY... GOD...
The horrible taste almost immediately overwhelmed my entire mouth/throat.
It tasted like what I would imagine snorting a huge pile of paracetamol (or aspirin?) powder would taste like.
It was so intense and bad...
Almost made me gag and I immediately had to sip something, anything to drown the taste.
And that was just a tiny hit where I stopped as soon as the taste began pouring in my mouth.
I started to worry if I'll even be able to finish that little stem.
I said to myself "fuck it, just try to go all in", clenched my fists and face and started sucking a big hit as much as could do.
I managed to take the huge hit and even before exhaling I gagged, tried to sip coffee again, but it didn't help anymore.
I tried not to vomit... for about 1 minute, then I lost it and emptied my stomach into the toilet.
Now I REALLY don't want to vape it again, it was beyond horrible.
Why is there no report about vaporizing tasting bad on the internet?
Everyone is having success, while I have jsut vomited after taking not even tenth of a dose...

Can someone tell me I'm doing something wrong?
Should i water-filter? I've vaped in dry, because its effective in tea, so that means the actives would be soluble in water, so vape-bonging it might lessen the effects.
Yet, regular bongs supposedly work well, so it could be doable.
Maybe my temp was wrong (7.5), but I believe it was right. It was not weak as a low-temp would and it didn't taste burnt.
I vaped it at the same temp as mj, and I vape that on a high end of the temp spectrum.

TLDR: Tried vaping calea, and even just one hit of a tiny bowl tasted instensely horrible an made me vomit, want to know how I could ingest this without vomiting.

edit: I guess that means if want to try it, then capsules might be the only way. But after tasting this, I'm even afraid of that. It might make my stomach upsate even without tasting it or give me some nasty burps.

Do you have the raw herb or the 10x extract ? I suggest making an EtOH extraction and dab the result.
I have bought the commercial 10x and it doesnt taste that bad ,although i dont really like the effects of the Calea.. Makes kind of drowsy and i usually dream pretty vivid and i usually experience indepth scenarios ,so not much for me to earn on it. )
There is a special class of botanicals to which in my mind i refer to as puke-a-rama herbs.. and i have yet to find a herb of that class that's worth the horrible taste,other than the EtOH from Yopo seeds .. which tastes like dirty socks,but gets you really spaced.. ..

 

[Seek]

I've read some rumor about calea losing some potency when extracted.
Could be bullshit and I've got enough to try (only with iso, can't get EtOH in here).
But I'm afraid the taste compounds could be the same as the active ones...?
If that would be the case, making an extract would make the taste even more intense and I couldn't take it raw.

 

[Hjalmark]

This stuff here makes a great lucid dream uhh maker?

But recommend drinking both tea and vaping half a gram before bed for some absurdly powerful dreams

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_vulgaris

Best part it pretty much grows everywhere and the worst part is it tastes and smells like granny fragrance

Also not for using often because your going to end up having a nightmare on it .. not cool

PS: do not drink this if your pregnant as it can KILL YOUR FUCKING BABY!!

But otherwise it's great