Mobius Glass
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oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I have what will probably seem a ridiculous question, but hey, I'm still new to this GAS thing . . .
I've been using my new Clear Bubbler this week. At least in my still limited glass experience, this thing is a beast. The volume of the can is => the 60t. The first hits really milk up thick, and then with the clear, this is giving my old lungs a real workout.
My question is, what do folks do when your load is almost but not quite spent? I can hit the piece until the ELB is totally cached (I use a Cloud), but to do so I am filling the piece with thinner and thinner vapor - so I'm having to pull in a lot more air to finish off the ELB. I actually found it easier to switch to a smaller HydraTube for those last thinner pulls.
What am I missing?
EDIT: An Ion is arriving today. Think I'll give a try at using both pieces together.
I've been using my new Clear Bubbler this week. At least in my still limited glass experience, this thing is a beast. The volume of the can is => the 60t. The first hits really milk up thick, and then with the clear, this is giving my old lungs a real workout.
My question is, what do folks do when your load is almost but not quite spent? I can hit the piece until the ELB is totally cached (I use a Cloud), but to do so I am filling the piece with thinner and thinner vapor - so I'm having to pull in a lot more air to finish off the ELB. I actually found it easier to switch to a smaller HydraTube for those last thinner pulls.
What am I missing?
EDIT: An Ion is arriving today. Think I'll give a try at using both pieces together.
Roger D
Vapor Wizard
You can try to take smaller puffs by clearing sooner.
Another technique, is to pump the milk slowly, then exhale and breathe a bit with your nose, keeping lips on the piece, so you can clear, using your full renewed pulmonary capacity. That's what I used to do at the first place I got a bigger piece, now I clear sooner most of the times but still do this trick to get a really fast medication.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
i think that may be a cloud specific thing. am a newb to the cloud (just got mine a few days ago) and have had the same mobius you do for a few months, but i find w/ the cloud in general that you have to pull harder and faster to get those thick rips. contrary to most vapes where the slower you pull, the thicker the vape. maybe you aren't pulling hard enough in general? i do find those last few hits to be a little wispier and take more lung to pull, but i kinda do a two pull in that situation. start draw until i see vapor, exhale and then long hard sustained draw. i feel you tho, sometimes at the end i switch to my small DG can.
Roger D
Vapor Wizard
max
Out to lunch
You can block a good % of the incoming air path on the Cloud in order to thicken your hits, with or without switching to an HT.oldiebutgoodie said:
So you're gonna have a Clear AND an Ion?
Be sure to report which one you prefer. I haven't tried a Clear. I have my 'GBD special' serving as my larger glass option.
To me, there are 3 factors:
1) Volume- the bigger the can, the more you will have to work to milk it up. When I first started with my EQ, the best pieces were small bubblers. Once I got the Cloud I could effortlessly milk larger pieces. It even works great with my 65t!
2) Temperature- going to higher temp towards the end will result in better milkiness but wont's taste as nice.
3) Your medicine! So many times I see people complain about results with various vaporizers and I often wonder how good their meds are. The more trichs, the better results. It's also strain dependent a lot of the time.
I mean, you have to look at what is happening inside your ELB. First hits taste amazing and produce huge clouds. Each hit depletes the trichs you are vaping until there is nothing. If you keep going long enough (and again, a lot has to do with the strain/potency) you end up with no sign of vapor. That's when you know you killed that ELB for good!
1) Volume- the bigger the can, the more you will have to work to milk it up. When I first started with my EQ, the best pieces were small bubblers. Once I got the Cloud I could effortlessly milk larger pieces. It even works great with my 65t!
2) Temperature- going to higher temp towards the end will result in better milkiness but wont's taste as nice.
3) Your medicine! So many times I see people complain about results with various vaporizers and I often wonder how good their meds are. The more trichs, the better results. It's also strain dependent a lot of the time.
I mean, you have to look at what is happening inside your ELB. First hits taste amazing and produce huge clouds. Each hit depletes the trichs you are vaping until there is nothing. If you keep going long enough (and again, a lot has to do with the strain/potency) you end up with no sign of vapor. That's when you know you killed that ELB for good!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Thaanks guys for the suggestions! I'm glad to know that there is some trial-and-error that goes into getting this right. For a while there, I though I'd gone from
to 
I don't think that it's because I'm not pulling hard enough. I can get very thick milk in the first several hits with a 1/4 ELB load. And I find the Bubbler easier to pull than even the HT's.
Bob, I like your 2-pull method to finish off the ELB. I've experimented doing that but don't have it down just yet, still leaving a bit in the ELB that I can pull out with an HT or smaller piece (like the Ion?).
Roger, I'm gonna try doing the clear a bit sooner, too. Maybe what I need is to leave enough so that a final 2-pull can really extract the remainder.
Max, your suggestion is intriguing. I had forgotten about throttling the Cloud, and now with it inverted that is much easier to do (the CloudBuddy is great). That should change the air ratio and might turn those last wispy hits into one thick one. Gotta try this, too.
And, yes, I have both a Clear and an Ion (arriving today). The Clear has a Reti perc, the Ion a Matrix. I was surprised how large the Clear is and that it takes 5 oz of water, my other pieces are typically ~2 oz, but even so it is virtually drag free. I may end up using them as a sesh pair!
EDIT: Tstat, thanks for your post, too - right on about volume and temp. I've raised the temp because it does indeed add thickness. The volume thing is what's new to me; I've realized that in essence I need to exercise my lungs gradually to work up to handling it more comfortably. Although to handle a 65t I think I may need to add a 3rd lung.
It may put me in the poor house, but ya'know this GAS illness is a helluva lot of fun.
to I don't think that it's because I'm not pulling hard enough. I can get very thick milk in the first several hits with a 1/4 ELB load. And I find the Bubbler easier to pull than even the HT's.
Bob, I like your 2-pull method to finish off the ELB. I've experimented doing that but don't have it down just yet, still leaving a bit in the ELB that I can pull out with an HT or smaller piece (like the Ion?).
Roger, I'm gonna try doing the clear a bit sooner, too. Maybe what I need is to leave enough so that a final 2-pull can really extract the remainder.
Max, your suggestion is intriguing. I had forgotten about throttling the Cloud, and now with it inverted that is much easier to do (the CloudBuddy is great). That should change the air ratio and might turn those last wispy hits into one thick one. Gotta try this, too.
And, yes, I have both a Clear and an Ion (arriving today). The Clear has a Reti perc, the Ion a Matrix. I was surprised how large the Clear is and that it takes 5 oz of water, my other pieces are typically ~2 oz, but even so it is virtually drag free. I may end up using them as a sesh pair!
EDIT: Tstat, thanks for your post, too - right on about volume and temp. I've raised the temp because it does indeed add thickness. The volume thing is what's new to me; I've realized that in essence I need to exercise my lungs gradually to work up to handling it more comfortably. Although to handle a 65t I think I may need to add a 3rd lung.
It may put me in the poor house, but ya'know this GAS illness is a helluva lot of fun.
I went to the Santa Barbara Dementia store and all their Mobius were in a separate cabinet, maybe a dozen pieces.wish id got a photo but i was mesmerized by sparkles in that cabinet.
I payed i think $330 for the Ion.and the young couple running the show were Friendly as,gave me Med discount and and then filled several pieces for me to try out inc the T.it was an easy decision right there and then.so maybe hit the Santa barbara store with a call,if you have had a bad experience....
nice neck of the woods too.Can t wait to go back!
Old post but I'm in SB too and Just got this Mobius from Dementia.
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/scie...lassworks-clear-bubbler-with-matrix-perc.html
It was $394 out the door with discount.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
OT: You know, I found out Dementia is owned by Sheldon Black. Which makes sense, considering they push it so hard.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
There is a 65B just up today on Kulture! . . .
Also I came across this craigslist ad for an Ion, ad is only 2 days old.
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/clt/3581450062.html
EDIT: Oops, my bad - that's a 65t on Kulture.
Also I came across this craigslist ad for an Ion, ad is only 2 days old.
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/clt/3581450062.html
EDIT: Oops, my bad - that's a 65t on Kulture.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
First gen (full-size Matrix, rounded top) in Torrance - $350
Let the bloodbath begin, if it still remains, or obg, didn't already snag it.
Let the bloodbath begin, if it still remains, or obg, didn't already snag it.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
You betcha . . . I've put in the call. 
But the ad is 2 days old, so odds not good
But the ad is 2 days old, so odds not good
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
try hittin it dry for flava
Well that goes for any piece, there isn't much point to that nice matrix perc without water..
Gotta say though after hitting this thing with hot water this morning, it RIPS! Flavor loss is about as equal as any diffused piece, but that is to be expected. This thing makes the smoothest vapor I have ever inhaled, you really can't feel it. Makes me want to rip the whole bowl in one hit haha.
Gotta say though after hitting this thing with hot water this morning, it RIPS! Flavor loss is about as equal as any diffused piece, but that is to be expected. This thing makes the smoothest vapor I have ever inhaled, you really can't feel it. Makes me want to rip the whole bowl in one hit haha.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Which Mobius Matrix model do you have?
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/scie...lassworks-clear-bubbler-with-matrix-perc.html
I got the Clear Matrix, kinda wish I got the Ion matrix now though...
I got the Clear Matrix, kinda wish I got the Ion matrix now though...
Jeppy
Pure Vaporist
What makes you say that?
I ended up getting a Mobius Ion and selling my Mobius Clear to a FC member. The diffusion is equal on each, the only difference is the volume difference, the Clear seems almost twice the size. It is harder to clear and probably not as good for concentrates as a smaller piece. I chose the Ion because it's good for concentrates and vapor which I feel both do better with a shorter vapor path.