First of all, I have really the feeling Hermes is trying to help out their customers after being in contact with him a few times. Sadly, it's often not easy when they are hiding behind other, surely more important work than communicating with clients and just overflying emails. Really hoping they can work this out in the future anyways.
Sry for hijacking the thread again, I just wanted to share what Infos Alfredo did sent to me. If you feel annoyed by me or if you still want to believe the semi-true marketing of Hermes, then please just overread the following:
I read the following mail from Alfredo 3 times now. There is something in his mail not matching our experiences so far, concerning draw speed, cloud production and temperature:
Dear Michel,
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By increasing viscosity or decreasing airflow, the energy transfered to a particle increases, the result is more efficent heat transfer (more vapor, more homogeneus extraction) decreasing the total temperature of the released vapor.
By decreasing viscosity or incrasing airflow, the heat transference decreases, less vapor is created (less active surface) and increases vapor temperature (more heat which is not properly transfered and is mixed with the inhaled vapor).
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Viscosity of air can't be influenced (I said that in a previous post already, only lord himself can change viscosity of air at room temp). So what's left: we only can influence airflow by drawing speed. Sounds like we have to draw very
slowly, like it's in the manual, too, to generate a true laminar heat flow.
Everybody here is agreeing on "the harder you draw on it, the harder it hits back on you", you can now imagine yourself how well the marketing joke of laminar heat flow is working since a hard draw results definitely in a turbulent heat flow like most Vapes have. You have to "suck the temp up to the bowl hard and fast", at least on the old tcmv. So it's surely not laminar anymore drawing this hard. The new gcmv
could be laminar since a slow short draw already produces vapor, but conduction does help here, too, influencing the taste negatively at the same time. I haven't one yet, but you noticed already for sure the marketing of laminar heat flow is older than the gcmv.
I knew that before. You can hear if an airflow is laminar or not if you listen to the sound it makes. If there is a heavy whistling like on the mighty or the MFLB, it's turbulent. If it sounds something like nice and steady, like when you draw
slowly on the MV, it's laminar. Since everybody is hitting this thing like a bong, the answer about laminar heat flow being the revolution in the vaporizer market
or not is very clear, imo! Some will tell me I can't know this without having a working unit (I can combine what I'm experiencing and reading logically without having a gcmv, anyways, and my tcmv wasn't dead right out of the box, but I'm already repeating me).
I know most of you don't want to hear this. I felt a little bit fooled, too, first time I used this thing for 519.-€ and the clouds weren't like I expected to be. Most of the times no consistent cloud production. Depending really much on preheating, grind and how bowl is loaded. Even it was very close to the mighty in terms of clouds, the taste was better on my MV, way better than on the mighty, very noticeable towards the end of the session. Effects where not missing, but not hard hitting. I'll wait on my warranted unit before ranting more since I have an old unit anyways.
But to tell you the truth, or at least my point of view, this is how companies are working. They believe to have a concept better than the others, then they should do a good marketing job and stick to their concept until they have another, probably better one to assure the customers. It's a so called "technology jump" or "innovation jump". Now we have the new heater technology and the GC... Just look at the pax 2, these guys know how to do marketing...
Like I said, too, I don't care anymore about heat flow. If some don't believe, you can repeat marketing phrases to the end of the days, the earth's shape still isn't a disk. If I finally just could have a working MV...
Another interesting info I got from Hermes himself is: the 2015 tcmv isn't able to fully extract your goodies. I said that before and got blamed for this by some here on the thread. If somebody still doesn't believe me, ask Hermes yourself since they seem to answer in less than a week now.
For better extraction Alfredo recommends the gcmv. If it's just about taste and you are making BHO or edibles anyways, better stick with the tcmv then. But you all knew that before since this thread is very informative.
My post is not to hate Hermes or start a fight with some people here, I feel like I have to defend myself since everybody is ignoring me. I'm just telling you what I experienced and what Infos I have. You can surely start a civilized fight with me if you want to, I like hot discussions about functions, engineering or performance way more than simple posts saying: "oh yeah, just got a golden MV in my mail box, my MV is the best Vape I ever used!". Sounds very naive to me, just saying... Please don't feel offended if you posted something like this, it wasn't adressed to a specific person.
But after all this negative critics about the laminar heat flow, I can confirm the MV has at least the best taste of all vapes I
personally used so far, but I don't know the aromed, the herbalizer or the cloud evo. But I'm not a real taste chaser, more a (curious) heavy stoner who likes modding if my tools are performing constantly. So if you are getting high from most vape signatures like the ascent, the iolite, the plenty/volcano, the solo or even the mflb, the MV could surely fit your needs. Personally I have problems to get medicated even from my volcano and just sold it nearly like new here on the forum after experimenting (and combusting joints besides) with it for a year because I need twice the amount of material than with my mighty now (not combusting anymore at all, besides). I can finish a packed volcano valve without problems. It's the same with the MV. I have to load it 2-3 times to get medicated. Perhaps I'm simply too much into the heavy hitting, sedating, muscle relaxing and insomnia curing conduction signature I know from combustion. So perhaps it's just me being a "mighty whore" or I'm just finding "isolated convection effects" are unsatisfying. But like I said, I'm looking forward to the better extracting gcmv (or even the Pax 2. Did I mention I'm high and motivated enough to believe any marketings about new Vapes, or is it just called VAS?)
I just mentioned the volcano: with his big bowl, the
large surface and the very steady
slow pump: it could have a true laminar heat flow, just btw!
Give me the diameter, the length of the bowl and heater and I'll tell you exactly at which draw speed a vaporizer is laminar or not. Like I said, no rocket since. Don't forget your load is decreasing the remaining bowl diameter dramatically too, if somebody wants too verify my statements with (simple) mathematics.
Ask me what vape can perform better on which isolated discipline like efficiency, taste or build quality than the MV and I can name out a few right now on every discipline for sure. The thing about the MV and the reason why I bought one is, it unites most of those disciplines pretty good in a very beautiful way in only a single unit. You would have to buy 3 vapes to have the same versatility or just use an ugly, battery eating, not so good tasting, but really heavy hitting mighty. Or perhaps just get a gcmv.
I like that it can be updated probably even in the far future, same housing, same connections. Quite nice to the environment, not like Arizer and S&B are doing, often simply replacing the whole unit. What S&B does is great for me, bad for the environment.
A last thing I want to share with you is another part of Alfredo's answer:
"Regarding the laminar vs turbulence airflow you can find many examples on youtube, this is a good one:
"Physics of Life - The Reynolds Number and Flow Around Objects"
I only scrolled through the video very fast. Seems to me it doesn't really answers my questions about the heat flow, but it could clarify some basic things about fluid dynamics.
I really would love to have an answer on my very long post from those who still don't believe me about the laminar (or turbulent) heat flow. But like often in this thread (or lastly even on the mighty thread) I'm getting ignored and I'm alone with my differentiated, nerdy opinion. But like I said, I'm used to this and I can live with it. In the end it's just about getting high, no? Luckily nobody is burning me on the stake like people where used to do in the dark Middle Ages...
Sry again for derailing the thread, posting this long and destroying dreams, but I warned every reader on the top of this post, you did read it all alone, just by yourself.
Edit: I just re-read my post and I felt it's a little bit harsh. It wasn't meant like this, I just wrote down facts and thoughts very clear. Sry for this and anybody is still invited to (dis-)agree with me or even just go on with the discussion I interrupted twice.
I like your humor a lot, you really make me laugh! Already talked with wifey a few days ago to visit Hermes, for serious. (since there are luckily a lot of CSC in Spain, so it's semi-legal there and a trip should be worth it in any cases!)
