Discontinued Minicron, Minicron Lite and Ophos Oil Vaporizers
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Honestly I'm not terribly familiar with the different KISS models so I'm not 100% sure myself. The writing on the cartridge says "UP TECH 3.7V" all written on a single line.
Looking on the vaporwarehouse.com O-Phos product page it does say, "Titanium Grade 2 K.I.S.S. Cartridge". Hopefully that's accurate.
Looking on the vaporwarehouse.com O-Phos product page it does say, "Titanium Grade 2 K.I.S.S. Cartridge". Hopefully that's accurate.
StormyPinkness
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On the forums I've heard people talking about the globes say the slower heat up helps it melt into the wick rather than making it boil on top and possibly splatter. Though I think for shatter and crumble that's not ideal, it slides off the coil easier, but I do the 7.4 kiss for those, obliterates them.
Glad @cuda970 could put it so well because I am in the same boat. I miss the thick clouds that I would get from other globes on my 510 battery. Don't get me wrong, I love my o-phos, I just wish I could see clouds building up. Usually once I start to pull through, I can see a better vapor filling the globe. Are there any general tips for getting the best use from my globe? I also have the Ti version.
How often do you replace the coils? I use the globe and regular Ti KISS cart.
How often do you replace the coils? I use the globe and regular Ti KISS cart.
maremaresing
Well-Known Member
What is the ohm resistance on the 3.7 ti gr2 kiss cart? I want to use it on a VW mod, but don't know how far I can go without blowing it. I've dug deep online and cannot get a set answer for this.
I see the kiss mini is on the site. Any word on what this looks like? Shape, form, size? I know w9tech is "charming" in how sparse their info is, but it's listed so I want to know. Of course, their designs are so good that almost any marketing deficiency can be forgiven.
BTW, I soaked my stuck kiss overnight and was able to break it open today. Still lots of leftover gunk, but I'm going to let it soak longer.
I see the kiss mini is on the site. Any word on what this looks like? Shape, form, size? I know w9tech is "charming" in how sparse their info is, but it's listed so I want to know. Of course, their designs are so good that almost any marketing deficiency can be forgiven.
BTW, I soaked my stuck kiss overnight and was able to break it open today. Still lots of leftover gunk, but I'm going to let it soak longer.
StormyPinkness
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In my opinion the globes give less cloud but more hits. Not sure if it's because of the black wick or that it supposedly heats up slower. The cartridge and globe both give me pretty good clouds though. I used to do 5-6 second draws and have been much happier since I switched to one I saw on the forums. I do 3 seconds power on, 3 off, 3 on, 3 off. It's all personal preference though and the only other pen vape company I've tried was the gpen stuff so compared to that it's magical for me.
maremaresing
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First of all, I'm really sorry to subject you all to such a potato photo in this tyool 2014.
Second, the kiss works with outstanding performance on the istick. Even with that ugly wonky adapter, in person it actually looks like it was made for it. YMMV, but I couldn't be more pleased with the setup. Given how the istick could run a little high in voltage, I'm wondering if it couldn't fire the herc properly. >_>
Second, the kiss works with outstanding performance on the istick. Even with that ugly wonky adapter, in person it actually looks like it was made for it. YMMV, but I couldn't be more pleased with the setup. Given how the istick could run a little high in voltage, I'm wondering if it couldn't fire the herc properly. >_>
Did yall see the Vaporbrothers eleven pen?
49.99 for the set
510 thread
Pass through USB charging
They offer a ceramic rod and a glass fiber wick but I can't imagine ditching ceramic.
Grade 4 titanium coils- not sure how this differs from grade 2. This seems to be the main difference from the KISS cart
Seems like they were going for something similar to O-phos with the KISS cart and just wanted to see what you all thought about it.
49.99 for the set
510 thread
Pass through USB charging
They offer a ceramic rod and a glass fiber wick but I can't imagine ditching ceramic.
Grade 4 titanium coils- not sure how this differs from grade 2. This seems to be the main difference from the KISS cart
Seems like they were going for something similar to O-phos with the KISS cart and just wanted to see what you all thought about it.
Well I like how vaporbrothers is now on the lets knock off Up Tech bandwagon.
But Up Tech they are not.
I would also like to see proof of this Ti grade 4 coil and reason why it's better then a Ti gr2 since grades 1-4 are considered cp.
Since Ti Gr2 and Ti Gr4 are about the same and would require the same wraps around the wick. One would ask how was the laws of physics broken because from pictures shown the eleven Ti cartridge has more wraps allowing me to believing that the Ti in the cart is more like a
Grade 5, also known as Ti6Al4V, Ti-6Al-4V or Ti 6-4
Further telling me that Gr5 Ti can be shortened to Ti 4v for marketing purposes remove the v and add Gr and your good to go.
Up tech definitely innovates and they are wildly more prolific with vape pens than VB, so hats off to them. I'm not sure what in VB Eleven Pen can be considered a knockoff of UP, whether it's a feature or a material we used(?) Sorry, honestly I don't have an UP Tech pen here so I don't know what's similar. To make VB Eleven, we got a common skillet, chose the best Ti wire we could get, moved the crimps up, got a larger diameter ceramic core piece for more wicking action, with a hole through the middle to keep the mass down. Personally it's the first ceramic core heater I've found that draws oil into the hot zone as well as an old school glass wick- that might be super debatable I'm sure.
One reason more wraps appear on the Eleven core is the crimps being moved to the coil. Previously, the heated wire ran all the way into the base where it is crimped or welded out of sight out of mind. But this makes for wasted energy that goes into the air. I like that we are using the full length of heating wire to heat the oil and the core. Not sure if that's something UP was doing... but if not, here's an idea for you to consider. Thank you.
One reason more wraps appear on the Eleven core is the crimps being moved to the coil. Previously, the heated wire ran all the way into the base where it is crimped or welded out of sight out of mind. But this makes for wasted energy that goes into the air. I like that we are using the full length of heating wire to heat the oil and the core. Not sure if that's something UP was doing... but if not, here's an idea for you to consider. Thank you.
Ok let me restate what I said.
While I do like how vaporbrothers responded, I would like to point out that they themselves claimed Inconel wire to be chromium free a year or so back on their instagram feed. Lack of knowledge and drive for marketing should not come into play when people's health is at risk.
1. While Inconel wire is better then Nichrome wire it is still based on the nichrome wire.
2. It's nice to see competition, but I still disagree with what they said.
Now to weld Ti grade 1-4 to none resistance wire which is pure nickel mind you is unheard of. The process which used to weld the Tc4 wire in the eleven pen is laser. This means gas shielding is needed and a lot of prep work to weld titanium with some alloys or embrittlement will be caused which leads to cracks and ultimately breaking of the weld with minor pressure. Let's not forget Pure Ti can't be welded to nickel unless it isn't pure TI and actually is a TI alloy.
Now since the wires have to be laser welded and then wrapped around the ceramic rod, I high doubt that VB came up with a new welding technique to revolutionize the welding industry.
Now moving on.
In China Ti Grade 5 is also known as TC 4. Here is where they might be ill informed.
Grade 5 also known as TC4 or now mistakenly known as Cp Ti Gr4 can be laser welded to nickel wire because it is an alloy and is not pure Titanium but The real Cp Ti grades 1-4 can't because it is not an alloy.
Moving on, when you take apart a genuine kiss cartridge you see that we do not have laser welds that combine our Ti Gr 2 wire with our none resistance wire. Why you make ask? Well for one reason. You can't weld pure titanium to non titanium wire using laser welds without argon gas shielding, even if you do it's gonna break really easily. This leads to question the longevity of the other cartridge
Not to mention the different melting points of nickel and pure titanium.
In short don't believe what you read and specially don't believe the hype being put out for marketing.
2 pens $40 difference and yet the TI is more expensive to produce but cheaper to sell.
On my last note even VB commented many times here that many pens cost less then their dabbler and that you shouldn't buy less expensive ones because it's not quality. I guess this would mean the eleven pen as well.
Ps bringing nickel wire into ceramic cup where it interacts with the oil is hardly a step in the right direction for concerns of ones health.
Stick to real Ti Gr2 kiss carts. Where the nickel none resistance wire is out of sight out of mind.
Message brought to you by Up Tech No bs channel.
While I do like how vaporbrothers responded, I would like to point out that they themselves claimed Inconel wire to be chromium free a year or so back on their instagram feed. Lack of knowledge and drive for marketing should not come into play when people's health is at risk.
1. While Inconel wire is better then Nichrome wire it is still based on the nichrome wire.
2. It's nice to see competition, but I still disagree with what they said.
Now to weld Ti grade 1-4 to none resistance wire which is pure nickel mind you is unheard of. The process which used to weld the Tc4 wire in the eleven pen is laser. This means gas shielding is needed and a lot of prep work to weld titanium with some alloys or embrittlement will be caused which leads to cracks and ultimately breaking of the weld with minor pressure. Let's not forget Pure Ti can't be welded to nickel unless it isn't pure TI and actually is a TI alloy.
Now since the wires have to be laser welded and then wrapped around the ceramic rod, I high doubt that VB came up with a new welding technique to revolutionize the welding industry.
Now moving on.
In China Ti Grade 5 is also known as TC 4. Here is where they might be ill informed.
Grade 5 also known as TC4 or now mistakenly known as Cp Ti Gr4 can be laser welded to nickel wire because it is an alloy and is not pure Titanium but The real Cp Ti grades 1-4 can't because it is not an alloy.
Moving on, when you take apart a genuine kiss cartridge you see that we do not have laser welds that combine our Ti Gr 2 wire with our none resistance wire. Why you make ask? Well for one reason. You can't weld pure titanium to non titanium wire using laser welds without argon gas shielding, even if you do it's gonna break really easily. This leads to question the longevity of the other cartridge
Not to mention the different melting points of nickel and pure titanium.
In short don't believe what you read and specially don't believe the hype being put out for marketing.
2 pens $40 difference and yet the TI is more expensive to produce but cheaper to sell.
On my last note even VB commented many times here that many pens cost less then their dabbler and that you shouldn't buy less expensive ones because it's not quality. I guess this would mean the eleven pen as well.
Ps bringing nickel wire into ceramic cup where it interacts with the oil is hardly a step in the right direction for concerns of ones health.
Stick to real Ti Gr2 kiss carts. Where the nickel none resistance wire is out of sight out of mind.
Message brought to you by Up Tech No bs channel.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
You're both out of line on this forum with your last posts in this thread.
@THC SCIENTIFIC -- we have a 'no attacking manufacturers' rule to protect you from being manhandled by a mob here. we like having manufacturers around because of what they can contribute, but we don't want them being bashed. That includes manufacturers bashing each other, no matter what thread it is in. This thread is not a safe haven for you to go after other manufacturers.
@vaporbrothers -- you are not allowed to go into other product threads and comment unless it is something like "I just tried this thing and it's great! Well done!" or "I just met these guys at CHAMPS and they seem like a class act!"
I'm sure you both can see the wisdom in these policies. Now go to your separate corners and abide!
@THC SCIENTIFIC -- we have a 'no attacking manufacturers' rule to protect you from being manhandled by a mob here. we like having manufacturers around because of what they can contribute, but we don't want them being bashed. That includes manufacturers bashing each other, no matter what thread it is in. This thread is not a safe haven for you to go after other manufacturers.
@vaporbrothers -- you are not allowed to go into other product threads and comment unless it is something like "I just tried this thing and it's great! Well done!" or "I just met these guys at CHAMPS and they seem like a class act!"
I'm sure you both can see the wisdom in these policies. Now go to your separate corners and abide!
THC Scientific
I recently purchased the kiss cart rebuild kit but I have some questions.
I reviewed diehards instructional on rebuilding kiss carts. However it does not include the use of nonresistance wire or kiss couplers which are both included in the rebuild kit.
Is there an official guide to using the rebuild kits?
Or can someone explain to me how to use the nonresistance wire and the couplers??
Thanks!!
I recently purchased the kiss cart rebuild kit but I have some questions.
I reviewed diehards instructional on rebuilding kiss carts. However it does not include the use of nonresistance wire or kiss couplers which are both included in the rebuild kit.
Is there an official guide to using the rebuild kits?
Or can someone explain to me how to use the nonresistance wire and the couplers??
Thanks!!
2Supra4U
Well-Known Member
I just got my new Minicron Lite the other day. I was suprised how little it is. I was hoping it would be small, but it was more then I thought. I had a crappy micro pen that has many different manufacturers. so glad about the larger size kiss carts can fit more in now.
I also got a extract cart to try as I liked the idea to be able to have a amount that lasts for a bit without needing to reload so often.
If any of the guys who have used them extensively or even THC SCI could answer me this as I tried to find but it never seemed to be mentioned on the vids.
How much can you put into one of these carts?? what is the optimum?
I think I screwed it up. I put probably close to 2 grams of oil into mine. I thought at first I filled it up and was gonna get stuck with it in the fill tool but i managed to get it all in. It was maybe a couple cm from the top where the air hole and guard is. It seems to be always plugged until I get it hot and pull hard thru til it pops (is this the normal for this cart??) . Would I be right assuming the more you put in the harder it is to get it going? is that the down side to these carts?? I mean once I get it hot and unplugged it works nice. plus now that i have used it a day or so its not super full.
does the air chamber run the whole way up? how is the cart constructed? Is there a way to fill it right up without it clogging all the time? or like I said before, is that just a downside of the cart, like a tradeoff.
I was thinking, I wish there was a glass version of this cart so you could see whats going on and what you got left.
thanks
I also got a extract cart to try as I liked the idea to be able to have a amount that lasts for a bit without needing to reload so often.
If any of the guys who have used them extensively or even THC SCI could answer me this as I tried to find but it never seemed to be mentioned on the vids.
How much can you put into one of these carts?? what is the optimum?
I think I screwed it up. I put probably close to 2 grams of oil into mine. I thought at first I filled it up and was gonna get stuck with it in the fill tool but i managed to get it all in. It was maybe a couple cm from the top where the air hole and guard is. It seems to be always plugged until I get it hot and pull hard thru til it pops (is this the normal for this cart??) . Would I be right assuming the more you put in the harder it is to get it going? is that the down side to these carts?? I mean once I get it hot and unplugged it works nice. plus now that i have used it a day or so its not super full.
does the air chamber run the whole way up? how is the cart constructed? Is there a way to fill it right up without it clogging all the time? or like I said before, is that just a downside of the cart, like a tradeoff.
I was thinking, I wish there was a glass version of this cart so you could see whats going on and what you got left.
thanks
the EO carts are rated to hold up to 1g but alot of users have suggested doing a bit less .7ish seems to be the consensus i ran throught abotu 8 grams total through a few EO carts on an ophos untill i went all in on a persei/herc, i reused the same cart up to about 3g before it was retired but they all still worked
the eo carts do clog quite a bit and id be willing to bet with it filled with 2g its gonna burn the oil trying to get the vapor to you for me they clogged right away if i didnt do a cooldown hit or overnight theyd clog just sitting
also when they stop producing good vapor heat up the cart with a lighter or torch on low just like when you first loaded it and it will reprime it and keep goin for a while
the eo carts do clog quite a bit and id be willing to bet with it filled with 2g its gonna burn the oil trying to get the vapor to you for me they clogged right away if i didnt do a cooldown hit or overnight theyd clog just sitting
also when they stop producing good vapor heat up the cart with a lighter or torch on low just like when you first loaded it and it will reprime it and keep goin for a while
2Supra4U
Well-Known Member
Ahh thanks. I would have thought that they would hold more considering how tall they are...they could of been cut in half almost. I like the idea of them, but when you put around .3 or .4 on a kiss cart...a gram doesn't seem much more. I was planning to use them exclusively, but I think they are best for on the go or travel where your "pre rolling" and for the ease of not needing to reload often on the go. I guess they are good for having multiple strains as well. For home use I guess a kiss cart or globe is best.
Yea when I would try to start it up the vapor would come out the bottom first. I didn't like it because its just wasting the oil. I'm sure a bunch of what I put it was wasted starting it up every time. However I did use a lighter as I knew it was because the cart was soild and needed to be warmed up. They dont work how I thought they would, and obviously they would work better with only a gram or so as it would be much quicker to warm and get air to pass thru. However, once its going it works nice and I like it. I really like the idea of having a substantial amount so your don't have to reload for a good period. I'd like to be able to put a gram or 2 or more in a thing like those wick tanks meant for more liquid concentrate. like the g pen one has, but one with a better wicking method. But I like the size of these extract carts keeps a slim profile.
Thanks
.3 or .4 is a crazy amount for a kiss cart its been said by Gand a few others that .3 will work but will messy and most people use much smaller quantities theyre meant to be load as you go so youd get 2-3 hits and reload .3 would make a giant mess inside it sounds to me like youd want to get the hercules and persei if your looking for great tasting huge clouds and dont have to worry about loading the herc can handle up to a gram no problem and you cannot lose oil the worst case is you have to recover it from the bottom chamber
2Supra4U
Well-Known Member
haha yea i only said that cuz its from the instructions I found that out right away that more then a couple drops make it splash up and it gets around the bottom of the mouthpiece. i'll stick with the kiss carts and use the extract ones when needed. I wanted to be able to have a few diff on the go eventually but its probably better to just put the oil in the small glass vials as a gram in a cart is not what I was looking for. when not on the go i dont mind needing to reload after a couple hits. when you got stuff that nice and potent your only going to need a puff or two every few hours
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Thelonious
New Member
Just letting everyone know that the Minicron Lite kicks some serious gluteus maximus. Especially with a purple Ti cart. Simply put, it's 
. It medicates extremely effectively and tastes amazing. Battery life has also been solid.
. It medicates extremely effectively and tastes amazing. Battery life has also been solid.
40% off on stainless ophos, stainless omicron lite.
Also on sale are color kiss cartridges, Okeanos, and a countless other things.
Also on sale are color kiss cartridges, Okeanos, and a countless other things.
StormyPinkness
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Crazy deal on the Okeanos, if I didn't already have one.....
mixchu69
Well-Known Member
Hi,
I just received my omicron lite yesterday, used a kiss cartridge with the dark ceramic, and got good hits off of pure gold and some wax. When I went to use it today, I took a hit of pure gold, and could get nothing from wax. I hear a lot of sizzling but all the wax melted down. I used a larger dab today, so got a puddle. Yesterday, I used a smaller chunk right on the coil. Does this sound right? I believe my technique was better last night. So I decided to use my cloud and got some fat hits. But very harsh. My hits last night were much smoother.
I use the 2 second pulse for it to saturate, and five second on and off. I will just reuse once it hardens, but do you think it is advantageous to use a small size consistently? I don't like to Dab as I go but would rather use the EO cartridges. I wish they can have something for .3., getting about 50 hits. I hoped that the kiss cartridge would do it, but looks like a puddle. I like funnel design of the cloud pen.
I just received my omicron lite yesterday, used a kiss cartridge with the dark ceramic, and got good hits off of pure gold and some wax. When I went to use it today, I took a hit of pure gold, and could get nothing from wax. I hear a lot of sizzling but all the wax melted down. I used a larger dab today, so got a puddle. Yesterday, I used a smaller chunk right on the coil. Does this sound right? I believe my technique was better last night. So I decided to use my cloud and got some fat hits. But very harsh. My hits last night were much smoother.
I use the 2 second pulse for it to saturate, and five second on and off. I will just reuse once it hardens, but do you think it is advantageous to use a small size consistently? I don't like to Dab as I go but would rather use the EO cartridges. I wish they can have something for .3., getting about 50 hits. I hoped that the kiss cartridge would do it, but looks like a puddle. I like funnel design of the cloud pen.
arrr
Well-Known Member
ThinkING of purchasing for the 40% off sale. Have a few question .
1. What is the difference between ophos and omicron lite
2. Are the coils easily rebuildable? I've seen pics of them being taken apart.
3. Can I upgrade to the tI coil or do I have to buy another coil?
4. Does the package come with a charger?
5. Any fc code to make this deal even sweeter?
1. What is the difference between ophos and omicron lite
2. Are the coils easily rebuildable? I've seen pics of them being taken apart.
3. Can I upgrade to the tI coil or do I have to buy another coil?
4. Does the package come with a charger?
5. Any fc code to make this deal even sweeter?