Micro-dosing

[VapeKnight]

I've been micro dosing for decades using a dugout / bat. when I stopped combusting about 6 years ago it was with a vapor genie, my first vape. now I can still micro dose with herbalaire, aromed, pax, and my favorite : Vapman. I patiently awaiting delivery of a grasshopper which should also work great. there has been quite a lot of discussion on the GH thread of those who are discovering the benefits of micro .

 

[uhranium]

I've been maxidosing today. I bought 2.0g and vaped like 0.04g instantly. this evening I took it to a new limit and hit 2 x 0.1 bowsl at 159°C and one last 0.1 bowl at 167°C.

It's funny how it looks in comparison to destroying 3g a two-day weekend per person.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

After trying what I now know is a very effective modification to my Aromed, my standard Aromed dose is now 0.01-0.02 g, and I never load more than 0.05 g anymore. My average Air dose is about 0.01 g, but I usually vape a couple consecutive stems when I use the Air.

I'm still a relative beginner, which means I'm always learning new tricks, but I don't expect to go back to using larger loads. I mean, I feel more medicated lately even though I use considerably less medicine than I used to; without even trying.

 

[Tommy10]

This is how I micro dose. Tiny pinch, drop of VG, three huge clouds full MJ effect and I can probably hit it later. Consumption has dropped dramatically in the last two weeks.

 

[nondarb]

This is how I micro dose. Tiny pinch, drop of VG, three huge clouds full MJ effect and I can probably hit it later. Consumption has dropped dramatically in the last two weeks.

I don't use e-cigs so I'm not keen on the added VG idea but i'm willing to bet theres an added placebo effect just blowing those monster clouds. I know a big cloud satisfies me!

I try to microdose with my coil too, but the best results for me are with bowls around .1, but that's usually 4-5 good hits through the d020. The solos a little easier to conserve with, but not quite as heavy.

Ordered an e-nano+gong last night, will hopefully up my microdosing game significantly. I'm stoked.

 

[Tommy10]

I don't use e-cigs so I'm not keen on the added VG idea but i'm willing to bet theres an added placebo effect just blowing those monster clouds. I know a big cloud satisfies me!

I try to microdose with my coil too, but the best results for me are with bowls around .1, but that's usually 4-5 good hits through the d020. The solos a little easier to conserve with, but not quite as heavy.

Ordered an e-nano+gong last night, will hopefully up my microdosing game significantly. I'm stoked.

I don't use E-cigs but thought Id try a drop in the VM and turns out it works a charm! Placebo probably, but more to the point, I can not regulary micro dose. I can try, but I want big clouds and a want a few of them! If I do this with just MJ my usage goes above micro levels. With the VG it keeps my cloud chasing at bay while also delivering MJ. It also taste a little sweet which I don't mind, and give bigger clouds than conbustion.

 

[nondarb]

I don't use E-cigs but thought Id try a drop in the VM and turns out it works a charm! Placebo probably, but more to the point, I can not regulary micro dose. I can try, but I want big clouds and a want a few of them! If I do this with just MJ my usage goes above micro levels. With the VG it keeps my cloud chasing at bay while also delivering MJ. It also taste a little sweet which I don't mind, and give bigger clouds than conbustion.

I can dig it, I absolutely know what you mean especially since my "fucking combustion" was/is pretty recent. The clouds are closely associated with being medicated to a lot of former combusters, myself included.

I remember my first solo session, I ended up mysteriously medicated with no visible vapor because my draw speed was way too quick and I didn't let the heater catch up and or heat soak. Even though it worked I felt gypped! Does the plain VG imbue any added flavor?

 

[Tommy10]

I found normal e-juice was harsh @natural farmer tipped me off that this might be the PG in it. Also plain VG is much cheaper than E-juice. I find the VG makes it sweet at first, but not in an offensive way to me personally. Bud flavoured vapor was never a big thing for me, taste t a little but don't go nuts. Clouds are for me, so personally I see no reason to go back to doing it without as long as I'm using my butane vapes.
The sweet taste helps with the metallic taste of the coil as well.

Yes I have been surprised by how medicated I can get without big clouds, but I find I need them out of compulsion, and while I am loving micro dosing I don't love it enough to give up my big clouds and numerous hits. For now it seems the perfect solution for me and my consumption has dropped a lot.

 

[stressed]

i am so annoyed. for about 2 years now, every morning i've weighed out .75 of a gram of one of several home grown genetics and gotten as high as i wanted all day long.

i've never had a tolerance problem as i always have a few genetics around and i switch them every day. then i started buying from dispensaries. i've tried about 20 different genetics. plus 3 of my own.

over a period of a couple weeks, my usage has creeped up and now i'm vaping around .75 in the morning and i'm vaping close to 1.75 grams a day. i realize this isn't a terrible problem, after all i get to buy at a dispensary, but now that i'm buying it i can't piss away so much weed anymore. it's expensive!

i just wanted to vent. first time in 20 years i've had to cut back on my consumption or maybe even take the dreaded T break... i'm going back to micro dosing starting in a couple days, after i go buy a few new genetics.


at least that's the plan.

happy new year!

 

[organic weed]

@stressed
I started micro dosing about a couple of month ago and went down from 0.25 g/bowl to.... 0.05!!! I touched that lower limit yesterday... 3 x 0.05 bowls during the whole day kept me happy and relaxed... I hope you can work your way down also and fund micros as useful as macros... Happy New Year!!!

 

[lazylathe]

Testing this method today.

My new favourite vape is the Lotus!
So i ground up 0,05g of jack Herer.
Thanks to @Tommy10 for the VG tip, it works amazingly well!

The pile gets divided into 3 small piles and each pile gives me 3 to 4 hits.
Add the VG to it and the hits are dense and they have an ever so slightly sweeter taste that disappears fast.
Very pleasing to my brain as the visual feedback tells me the load is a lot bigger! LOL!

Thoroughly medicated off that 0,05g of herb.
Will monitor and report back on when i feel the need for a top up!

I did the same thing yesterday and lasted till 7:30pm before i needed a top up!
It was almost 10 hours between the first session and the next!

I still feel high, stoned and medicated off that tiny load, so all is good so far!

Can't wait to try the VG in the Elite in a micro load tonight!

 

[Tommy10]

vg in the elite micro load is great!

 

[Tommy10]

Havnt heard of anyone else trying VG and MJ, saw a lot saying it would not work. Glad to see someone else enjoying it.
@lazylathe I thought about the lotus for huge WPA rips, still might try it. I find the VG allows me to get huge rips from anything. To the point where I doubt my lungs could hold more.

Might do a comparison video at some stage of .05 of mj vs .05 mj and a VG drop. Been on the one Vapman bowl for 40 minutes; usually last around 5.

 

[ethiastery]

Havnt heard of anyone else trying VG and MJ, saw a lot saying it would not work. Glad to see someone else enjoying it.
@lazylathe I thought about the lotus for huge WPA rips, still might try it. I find the VG allows me to get huge rips from anything. To the point where I doubt my lungs could hold more.

Might do a comparison video at some stage of .05 of mj vs .05 mj and a VG drop. Been on the one Vapman bowl for 40 minutes; usually last around 5.

Regarding the Lotus (or I imagine any other B vape), do you just put your pinch in the stem and add the drop of VG right on top there? Best place to get this stuff?

 

[Tommy10]

Can use e juice try find one with a high VG ratio. Anything will work might just be harsh at the start. Tried in hammer vaporgenie and vapman. Just load bowl as usual, and one drop on trip of the herb.
Can get straight vegetable glycine from some chemist.


Long video but anyways. Also it is micro dosing and I have not used the vapman without VG in a while so I should have tried better to get one decent hit.
The HA I wouldn't call a micro load, light and fluffy bud so easy to take up a lot of surface area with little green... But would have still probably put .2 in. Anyways can easily see how the VG increases clouds and can extend sessions making micro dosing easier for those of us who just hit it for fun and struggle to have one and done.

 

[lazylathe]

@Tommy10 Will watch the video a bit later!
Thanks for the upload!!!

Just to recap for yesterday:
I needed another 0,05g load at 5pm, my back was killing me by this stage.
Last load was 0,08 in the Elite with some VG added for those extra thick clouds!

So the total for the day was 0,18g which is down from about 0,5+g per day!

Feeling a bit under the weather today, chills and a bit sweaty last night and not a very restful sleep.
Back to work today so no more vaping during the day! Tolerance should be down shortly!

 

[biohacker]

You guys are adding VG just to get clouds? Are there any health implications of inhaling this stuff? Just wondering why you would inhale anything "extra" just to get a visual effect?

@stressed - sometimes I wonder if it's the access to so many strains that keeps my tolerance so high.. it never used to be this way with only 1 or 2 strains at a time. Your experience confirms this!

 

[Farid]

Using different strains should keep your tolerance lower than if you were using the same amount of cannabis of the same strain. Having lots of strains and thus wanting to try them might result in using more than intended, but it should not make your tolerance go if you use the intended dose. Your tolerance would go up if every time you smoke you want to try every strain you have, but that's a self control issue, and not a product of the strains you have.

 

[Tommy10]

Yea VG just for clouds, not positive enough to say there are "no" health implications, although it is the same stuff they use in e-juice so I doubt it's that bad. Add the VG for the visual effect to satisfy the cloud chasing. Otherwise I gk through well over double the herb just so I can blow clouds.... That are no where near as big.

 

[biohacker]

Using different strains should keep your tolerance lower than if you were using the same amount of cannabis of the same strain. Having lots of strains and thus wanting to try them might result in using more than intended, but it should not make your tolerance go if you use the intended dose. Your tolerance would go up if every time you smoke you want to try every strain you have, but that's a self control issue, and not a product of the strains you have.

If you read @stressed post, that sums up my experience exactly. Further to that, I experience withdrawal symptoms from not only cannabis in general, but also from strains. Having a dozen+ strains on hand definitely does not help my matters, as self control is definitely a major factor.

 

[Farid]

I gathered from @stressed's post he was experiencing increase in tolerance over time. This is something I experience all the time, and I take it as a sign that I need to cut back to keep myself in check. I don't see anything in his post that indicates the increase in strain availability is the cause of his tolerance going up. It just sounds like tolerance going up with daily use over time. Having strains around might make one want to vape more, but it doesn't have to do with tolerance. That's like saying if you switched from drinking one brand of beer to drinking a different microbrew every time your tolerance will go up for alcohol. If you replace one beer with trying two or three different microbrews then yes, tolerance will go up, but just switching beers but maintaining the same alcohol content will not increase alcohol tolerance.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I have discovered that less is more with cannabis, most people overdose (not in a deadly way). This is how to manage your tolerance, jus start working it down and see what you can get away with. Instead of always trying to get super high.

I find its amazing how high you get from just one hit from a tiny amount. I find you still get almost as high, but just not for as long.

I also find that if I do many microdoses at low temps, I get a very visual high by the end of the night.

Totally. The onus is on the consumer to craft his/her own buzz. It's so true that the majority of cannabis users over-dose themselves. The optimal high happens before you get to the plateau.

 

[whereskarlo]

Nice.
I just came here to ask what units people are using to micro. I've got both the Ascent and OG DaVinci, and am interested in experimenting with micro-dosing..

As far as technique goes, @whereskarlo - do you turn the unit upside down to avoid cooking your herb before you are ready to draw? I'm not very familiar with the Pax, but from what I gather it operates in a similar fashion to my Ascent (conduction heating, oven chamber with open top).

The Pax 2 oven is upside down. If you hold the Pax 2 normally, the oven covers the top and all sides but the bottom only has the magnetic lid. If you fill it with a regular full serving the herbs will be in contact with the oven and some heat radiates from the lid back into the herb. If you micro dose however your pinch of herb would just sit on the lid without enough heat getting into it to make clouds. I hold if upside down so the herb is in direct contact with the oven and sometimes tamp it down so it conducts the heat well. After you turn the unit on (while holding it upside down) it will reach operating temperature, turn green and you will vape most of your micro dose in 2-4 draws. I'm not worried about cooking it before I get to take my draw because whatever vapor initially gets created will stay in the oven. Hope that helps

 

[Tommy10]

Just got two vapcaps perfect for micro dosing!

Hit 1 and 3 are no VG others are VG... Still get lovely little bat pipe style hits and visible Vapor either way!

 

[lazylathe]

So i was experimenting a bit more with larger amounts of VG.
By this i mean very small droplets, about a 1/4 of the size of a dropper.

Clouds were phenomenal but the taste and flavour was gone!
It tasted like shisha tabacco tastes, that kind of sickly sweet taste.
Not a fan of drops as it changes everything for me and in a bad way, only clouds are good.

Yesterday i would dip a toothpick in and remove 90% and just smear the rest onto the bud.
This still changed the flavour but to a much lesser degree.

I am in the process of making some ABV VG as a test. Should take a few weeks to make though.
Lots of low heat and cool cycles to go through still!
If it has any potency to it, at least it will add something positive to it plus give me huge clouds that last!