Manual Vape Thread

[El Duderino]

He's also made a 24mm Killer. Not sure I've torched that one yet, but both are excellent heated by coil:

Thank you very much! Yes, I saw your post (I read through the entire thread today ) and then searched for it on the GVB website, but only found the 18mm version. However, I think the 18mm will be sufficient for me; I prefer bowls around 0.2g.

I'm currently looking at the matching WPAs on GVB - the capsule version with an 18mm connection is my current favorite.

By the way, an unbelievably awesome setup in your photo!

 

[jbm]

So there seem to be a number of these glass "manual" vapes, the Elev8r, the Vaphit, the Terpsicle, the Quartz Cap, the 18mm (and apparently 24mm) Killer (I'm sure I've missed some) - what distinguishes them? All I have of these is the ur ball vape, the DC Elev8r. Which of these are good for small bowls?

 

[coolbreeze]

So there seem to be a number of these glass "manual" vapes, the Elev8r, the Vaphit, the Terpsicle, the Quartz Cap, the 18mm (and apparently 24mm) Killer (I'm sure I've missed some) - what distinguishes them? All I have of these is the ur ball vape, the DC Elev8r. Which of these are good for small bowls?

The 18mmk uses a basket for the bowl which is pretty reasonable. The others vary in size and also between conduction/convection. @RogueGuy covers every angle and those vapes rock. Dig in a bit and see what you think, but the 18mmK is a fine place to start.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

So there seem to be a number of these glass "manual" vapes, the Elev8r, the Vaphit, the Terpsicle, the Quartz Cap, the 18mm (and apparently 24mm) Killer (I'm sure I've missed some) - what distinguishes them? All I have of these is the ur ball vape, the DC Elev8r. Which of these are good for small bowls?

There is basically two designs in the vapes you cite here : the double-flow design originated by the Vaponic and the glass ball-vape design which, in his manual iteration, comes from the Sand Castle. (Which is itself a hybrid of a glass symphony and a banger.)

You can add a third category represented by the biovapo, roasty, nameless conduction, etc... and a fourth category that are glass bricks and vaporgenies.

The double flow design gives a hybrid heating profile between convection, conduction and radiation. Works well with flower and hash, pretty efficient. Size, thickness of the glass, air intake design, change the balance between conduction and convection, the heat retention. At 40€ I strongly suggest you to get a Vaponic, it's a very balanced design.

Ball-vapes and bricks / VG are basically pure convection and biovapo / roasty pure conduction.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

So there seem to be a number of these glass "manual" vapes, the Elev8r, the Vaphit, the Terpsicle, the Quartz Cap, the 18mm (and apparently 24mm) Killer (I'm sure I've missed some) - what distinguishes them? All I have of these is the ur ball vape, the DC Elev8r. Which of these are good for small bowls?

Don't forget some of the first direct draw glass 'bricks', like the underrated Smoke Stack from TRWW, that morphed into the Submarine via the aforementioned Piro...

 

[Shit Snacks]

the 18mm (and apparently 24mm) Killer (I'm sure I've missed some) - what distinguishes them? All I have of these is the ur ball vape, the DC Elev8r. Which of these are good for small bowls?

I actually also have a 14 mm killer, but yeah the 18 is the flagship, that's why they are still available, not sure we will see more 24 or 14 size killers since the demand hasn't been so high? People sleepin on them, worth trying!

like the underrated Smoke Stack from TRWW, that morphed into the Submarine via the aforementioned Piro...

Just so you know, the smoke stack was not the first (nor were the bricks), and it did not morph into the others either lol there are folks here who were just basically using glass tubes and adapters to do this style of vaping long before these all were available

 

[gmocooties]

I think my favourite aspect of torch-driven vapes (especially so for the brick-esque designs) is the interplay between torching and inhaling. Can be a little overwhelming at first, but it quickly becomes second-nature - the musical instrument analogy is a little overused but it does ring true I think this is why I find myself favouring vapes that don't click lately.

A couple of recent acquisitions: I picked up the Convector XL during the 420 sale and that thing is a monster. Highly recommended. Bagged an SB Twist the other day too - beautiful little unit that hits a real sweet spot for me air-flow wise, especially with the 18mm stem through a J-hook. This one feels very forgiving compared to my Runt, but it might just be all the practice lol.

There's a few on the wishlist too, so I'd love to get some opinions from any past/current owners:
- Dreamwood Roasty
- Vapour Genie (probably the glass sherlock)
- Retrosteam

Happy torching!

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

I'd love to get some opinions from any past/current owners:
- Dreamwood Roasty!

I can't speak to the others, but the Roasty is the Ur vape. Wood and glass. Butane. And arguably closest to the joint experience then any other vapes and absolute delight btw. As is the larger and glassier Nameless Conduction vape from @trww

 

[gmocooties]

I can't speak to the others, but the Roasty is the Ur vape. Wood and glass. Butane. And arguably closest to the joint experience then any other vapes and absolute delight btw. As is the larger and glassier Nameless Conduction vape from @trww

I was eyeing the one from TRWW just today, but can't really resist the gorgeous wood on the Roasty. You've really got me hankering for one now, haha!

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

I was eyeing the one from TRWW just today, but can't really resist the gorgeous wood on the Roasty. You've really got me hankering for one now, haha!

They're both great vapes for what they are. If you're into niche manual vapes of this kind and want glass only, may I also recommend the Biovapo. And whatever the Black Leaf equivalent is called

 

[coolbreeze]

Roasty Mini:

They take a bit of practice but if you've used a Dynavap you're most of the way there. Flavor can be sublime. The bigger Roasties slip into their stems for pocketability, and with a decent torch it's great for outdoors.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Roasty Mini:

Inspired by this, I went back to green dream and foud their all glass Goblin on sale for less than €43 and worldwide shipping for €10

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

Inspired by this, I went back to green dream and foud their all glass Goblin on sale for less than €43 and worldwide shipping for €10

The goblin looks like a really nice vape. Thanks for sharing !

 

[Electrofever]

They take a bit of practice

their all glass Goblin

Do you just torch the wall of the glass piece, like the cap of a DV, and inhale ? Which would explain the conduction side of it. And I understand the practice needed…

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Do you just torch the wall of the glass piece, like the cap of a DV, and inhale ? Which would explain the conduction side of it

I imagine yes. I also imagine that the impatient user might also attempt a brick-style direct draw - but with a sufficiently powerful torch, I can see this approach being totally unnecessary. I soldiered on for ages with an underpowered torch but since I upgraded, the Elv8r, the various @trwww TEDs, and the EMK have all made a lot more sense. A bit like experiencing the music of Aphex Twin before and after taking drukqs

 

[Cheebsy]

Just a fyi... The goblin is a gnome copy...

There a thread here for them.

Gn0ck0ffs

as a couple of you may know I said I'd make some of these for members. This is not meant to be a money making exercise, more of a giving back to the forum. Now I know I've been incredibly slow but I've been struggling to get the correct heavy wall tubing to make these. I made one a while back...

fuckcombustion.com

It's something I've been considering making for a long while... I really should try that!

A bit like experiencing the music of Aphex Twin before and after taking drukqs

Hahahaha!

 

[Shit Snacks]

Just a fyi... The goblin is a gnome copy...

Yeah technically the gnomes were all 18 male though, while goblin is female, more the predecessor for the elev8r and xl8r

 

[coolbreeze]

Do you just torch the wall of the glass piece, like the cap of a DV, and inhale ? Which would explain the conduction side of it. And I understand the practice needed…

Yes, you just rotated it over a flame, careful to watch for slight color changes. It's a lot easier than you'd guess, but you need to get a feel for it.

Inspired by this, I went back to green dream and foud their all glass Goblin on sale for less than €43 and worldwide shipping for €10

Takes a lot of heat, haven't really mastered it so I should work on it some. EDIT: Got 'er going! I just blasted away and now I'm blasted away! I must not have given it enough heat previously.

They've also made a DLX Goblin with a smaller heater for the intake:

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

I must not have given it enough heat

As I say, more is more ime with this kind of device. Although I do struggle not to experiment with heating the airpath (if not direct draw) when I get bored, and regret it almost every time (even the times I don't combust).

Perhaps the hallmark of these manual vapes is that the reward they pay to attentive, mindful use. And the willingness of folks on FC to share their experiences, the nuance of their use, and the great things that come from listening and learning alongside one another.

 

[Electrofever]

A bit like experiencing the music of Aphex Twin before and after taking drukqs

Ahah, seen like that, it makes a lot of sense

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

Just a fyi... The goblin is a gnome copy...

Yeah technically the gnomes were all 18 male though, while goblin is female, more the predecessor for the elev8r and xl8r

I knew the Vapocane which has the same operation principle (and probably older than the others). These are basically all the same devices with slight variations in design.

 

[coolbreeze]

If the Vapman is King of the manuals, Chaos is the King Kong:

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Any love for the Vapothor - the affordable Euro love-child of a VHB slide and the EMK?

 

[coolbreeze]

Any love for the Vapothor - the affordable Euro love-child of a VHB slide and the EMK?

That's a new one! Have you tried it?

Edit: D'oh! I replied to the og thread! Maybe I should try one and get my head together...

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

That's a new one! Have you tried it?

I have not yet, but I have high hopes for this and their BioVapo/elev8r mashup, le Testeur https://lacentralevapeur.com/en/portable-vaporizers/23193006-le-testeur.html

LCVs Katalyzer branded glass is always interesting (or affronting, if you consider clones of the CC Prophet anathema). I also have a weird soft spot for their instructionals.

Anyway, I'll be sure to report when I've roadtested both (as well as the Dreamwood gear I'm waiting on, that's just cleared German customs).

Be good to hear from anyone with direct experience of either though.