Magical Butter

[Vapor King]

Great points! Now to figure out whether I should hold onto it before I can buy more product or to heat it up and hope it increases potency.

Just took 12 capsules, let's see how this goes.

Do both..... it's not going to ruin it.... go another hour or so.... at least you can check that off and stop wondering

 

[B0NES]

Do you guys think making edibles is a more expensive method of getting medicated than vaping/smoking?

I always thought edibles were more cost effective, but it seems to be WAY more expensive than inhaling.

Tried 12 capsules the other day and didn't feel a thing. It seems it would've been more cost effective to vape my OZ than to make a batch of oil that lacked potency like I did. Even my AVB firecrackers were WAY more potent than the oil I made.

Btw, for those of you living in medical/recreational states, is it cheaper to buy edibles or make em?

 

[momofthegoons]

Even my AVB firecrackers are WAY more potent than the oil I made.

This makes me think that your extraction process didn't work properly. So yes... in a sense it is more expensive to make edibles. Until you figure out the right ratio. Or method.

Those mistakes can be costly.

The edibles I can buy range from $8 - $10 a piece.

 

[Vitolo]

To be able to use lesser amounts of more serious pharmaceutical medications, I consume a good deal of medibles.
If one has access to trim, or can grow, of course it is much cheaper to make your own.
If using a dispensary to aquire meds, to make your own medibles, it is financially a draw.
The cost would be about even, EXCEPT that you would be confident in the consistency of your edibles, and also the cleanliness with which it was prepared.
There is the time consuming part also, of preparation.
If "unwell" like many, and homebound then time is on your side.
If leading a busy life that entails leaving home for work, or moving through the public sector,
you would have to consider whether making your own medibles is time efficient for you.

 

[B0NES]

I'm going to try throwing my batch in for another hour in the MB, just need to buy another $20 worth of coconut oil

I envy those of you who live in medical/recreational states.

Edit: If I throw in butter into my oil batch in order to reach the minimum line in the MB, will the butter mess with the vegetable capsules?

 

[TeeJay1952]

From trash to stash, this is the legacy of MB2.
How can you compare that to anything.

 

[MinnBobber]

.....Tried 12 capsules the other day and didn't feel a thing. It seems it would've been more cost effective to vape my OZ than to make a batch of oil that lacked potency like I did......

So was it an oz of good buds that had not been vaped by you? What strain?
That SHOULD yield some awesome edibles.

Can you briefly describe your process?
Most important--did you decarboxylate the herb? Exactly how did you do this? KEY STEP !!!

 

[B0NES]

So was it an oz of good buds that had not been vaped by you? What strain?
That SHOULD yield some awesome edibles.

Can you briefly describe your process?
Most important--did you decarboxylate the herb? Exactly how did you do this? KEY STEP !!!

An OZ of mids not vaped(buds not trim), not sure about the strain since I live in a non medical state.

Decarbed 1hr @ 230F in oven, cookie sheet double wrapped in foil
threw it in the MB 2min after taking it out oven.
Filled with oil to min line, dumped bud then letichen in it
Put it @ 160F unplugged after 1hr
Sifted it as soon as it was done
Let it cool down for 45min then threw it in the fridge

I suspect I either needed to cook it for another hour @ 160F or it's the capsules (vegtable caps) that are interfering with absorption. Im gonna throw it in the MB for another hr @ 160F then I'll try eating some with a loaf of bread to see if it makes any difference. I've read people have had the same experience with caps and found better effects when eating it. I'm hoping it's a problem with the caps and not the actual extraction process.

Do you think I screwed up on the process?

Edit: oil was barely touching the minimum line, maybe the MB couldn't properly stir?

How many doses would you expect to yield off my ingredients (1 Oz mids, 2 1/4 cups coco oil)

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

Each person reacts differently to edibles - and this is apart from individual differences in tolerance, so YMMV. But as a point of reference, here is EXACTLY how I ran my most recent batch, including measurements, brands, and strains:

• 1 oz of whole buds (Blue Dream). I DO NOT pre-decarb in the oven.
• Coconut oil (Sprouts organic - virgin unrefined) to "min" line (about 16 oz, so one full 14oz jar plus a little more from a second jar) at liquid temperature.
• Attach lid/motor, Plug in MB2e, select 220 degrees and press 1 hour to start.

(cycle finishes, machine stops and beeps, I unplug it.)

• open machine and add 2 tablespoons Now Sunflower Liquid Lecithin
• Close, plug in, select 160 degrees and press 2 hours to start.

When cycle finishes, I allow it to sit for about 1/2 hour to cool to more comfortable handling temperature and allow solids to settle, then decant and strain. DONE!

Additional notes:

• Referring to the latest version of the official Magical Butter instructions, this happens to be the high end of the recommended botanical-to-oil ratio ("¼ - ½ ounce/7-14 g botanicals per cup/240 ml"). I use whole buds - no pre-grinding nor even finger crumbling, again as recommended in the instructions ("For best results, DO NOT PRE-GRIND BOTANICALS.").
• I DO NOT oven-decarb. My first cycle (1 hr at 220) decarboxylates the weed.
• Despite not pre-grinding, the machine quite thoroughly pulverizes the weed - all that is left is a sludge that conveniently settles to the bottom. This is great, because it allows about 95% of the finished oil to be simply decanted (pouring through the strainer just in case) with no muss, no fuss.
• Once I've poured off all the oil that can be cleanly decanted, I then take a rubber spatula and squeegee out the remaining sludge into the filter bag, where I'm able to squeeze out another couple ounces of oil from it.
• I save the remaining paste, tho I'm not sure what I can do with it (condiment? add to peanut butter? I'm open to ideas here!).

As for the effects, and remembering my opening paragraph, these are my personal observations based on my own physiology and level of tolerance (or lack thereof, depending on your point of view).

Here is how this batch, prepared exactly as described, affects me in various dosages. I don't use capsules, but rather add it to whatever. Usually in a cup of coffee in the AM or cup of cocoa or tea (with milk) in the evening.

• 1/4 teaspoon - I think I feel something.
• 1/2 teaspoon - Pleasant baseline buzz. I like this for everyday medication, as it can easily be supplemented if/as needed by vaping.
• 1 teaspoon - I'm pretty high, but still enjoying it. More might make me uncomfortably high.

 

[momofthegoons]

First off, @MrNaturalAZ that was a great post. And I am going to try this exact method with my next batch. Thank you.

I save the remaining paste, tho I'm not sure what I can do with it (condiment? add to peanut butter? I'm open to ideas here!).

You can make some incredible bath soak with it. Add a few drops of some essential oils to it and then add the sludge to a full bag of plain epsom salts and combine well. Put a cup or so in a muslin bag and let your bath water run through it. The bag will catch the herb so that it doesn't get in the water (otherwise it gets all over you and you need to shower afterwards). One word of caution... clean your tub immediately afterwards with some scrubbing bubbles or something similar. It comes off easily if you do it right away. Leave it and it's much more difficult to get out of the tub.

This bath is great for aches and pains or stress. Just be careful when getting out of the tub. You are like a greased pig. No lie.

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

First off, @MrNaturalAZ that was a great post. And I am going to try this exact method with my next batch. Thank you.

Thank you. And you're welcome. Happy to be of service. Looking forward to reading about your results.

You can make some incredible bath soak with it. [...] This bath is great for aches and pains or stress. Just be careful when getting out of the tub. You are like a greased pig. No lie.

Oooh - sounds great! Too bad I haven't a tub to soak in. I'll keep it in mind, tho, for next time I have the opportunity. But even so, it opens up a whole realm of opportunities for using it topically. Thank you!

 

[Vapor King]

First off, @MrNaturalAZ that was a great post. And I am going to try this exact method with my next batch. Thank you.

DITTO!!!!

 

[spk2629]

These are the new instructions that the Magical Butter group has developed:


Butter:
1 Hour @ 220
reset
4 Hours @ 160

Oil: (coconut, Olive, Grape seed, etc)
1 Hour @ 220
reset
4 Hours @ 160

Vegetable Glycerine:
1 hour @ 220F
reset
2 hours 250F

Food Grade Alcohol: **Adjust Alcohol volume if you are above sea level** (everclear, Bacardi 151, etc)
4 Hours @ 160 **NEVER OPERATE YOUR MB2 ABOVE 160F for 4 hours doing Alcohol Extraction, you could damage you machine**

I want to ask a question about decarbing. I first tried 200 for 10 minutes going off an old cannabis book. The MBM Evercvlear tincture is okay---ran at 8 hours initially at 160. Thanks for telling us about the never do tintures for 8 hrs or risk wrecking your MBM. Should I do 220 for 35-40 minutes instead? I'm half tempted to take my first try (14g of herbs and everclear to the minimum line in the MBM.) Momofthegoons are you out there to give a noob some pointers. I have 16 ozs of food grade glycerin, but am afraid to "pull the trigger" and try it because I'd really be pissy if I wrecked this second run (28g of herbs and somewhere between the middle of the minimum and maximum lines in the MBM). Any help is awesome thanks---I even considered doing a re-brew where I'd take the remainder of the original tincture and use it in place of an equal amount of everclear (75% here in my state--no 190 proof) and run it ---tips, tricks, or times would be great to learn

 

[momofthegoons]

@spk2629 I've never used the MB for glycerine tincture. But I found this on the Magical Butter Group page. I hope it helps. They do not use everclear for this however.

 

[B0NES]

So I threw in my batch for an extra hour @ 160F. Ended up trying to consume it WITHOUT capsules. I gagged a few times while taking in about 2 tbsp of oil. Felt some of the effects 15 minutes in and and 2-3 hours in was fairly medicated at a [7] on the scale.

Went to sleep 7-8 hours after ingesting the oil and was still feeling it. Woke up and eyes were red, still felt it a bit. The effects did not wear off until the 19th hour.

My tolerance is extremely low since it's been about 3 months+ since my last run-in with THC

Seems like my oil is really lacking potency since it takes 2tbsp to have a nice experience.

 

[momofthegoons]

Seems like my oil is really lacking potency since it takes 2tbsp to have a nice experience.

There are a couple of factors, imo, that could be the problem.

One could be the old adage that you get what you put into it. And it does work better with higher grade meds. For obvious reasons.

Secondly, your decarb could have been for too long. The suggested amount of time that I've heard is 30 minutes.

And third, did you eat anything before taking the dose? You should eat a small amount of high fat food 1/2 to 1 hour prior to help absorption.

 

[spk2629]

@spk2629 I've never used the MB for glycerine tincture. But I found this on the Magical Butter Group page. I hope it helps. They do not use everclear for this however.

Thank you! That's what I was hoping to learn. This forum rocks!

 

[killick]

I have a bottle of VG I've been meaning to try out, and it looks like the time is 'soon', as MB is at a friends place getting a bit of a workout

 

[B0NES]

There are a couple of factors, imo, that could be the problem.

One could be the old adage that you get what you put into it. And it does work better with higher grade meds. For obvious reasons.

Secondly, your decarb could have been for too long. The suggested amount of time that I've heard is 30 minutes.

And third, did you eat anything before taking the dose? You should eat a small amount of high fat food 1/2 to 1 hour prior to help absorption.

I think the lack of potency definitely has to do with the extraction process rather than the quality of buds. I used mid-grade while MrNaturalAZ used some high-grade bud with the same amount of ingredients and it seems he gets to where he needs to be with a single tsp while it takes me 2 TBSP. My tolerance is really low too, so I doubt the quality of the buds alone is causing the lack of potency compared to other people's successful runs like MrNaturalAz.

Yea, I'll definitely do a 30 minute decarb next time.

I'd love to know how MrNaturalAZ's process works out for you. Keep us updated, I'll definitely follow his process next time if I'm able to yield results like his.

 

[chimpybits]

I think the lack of potency definitely has to do with the extraction process rather than the quality of buds. I used mid-grade while MrNaturalAZ used some high-grade bud with the same amount of ingredients and it seems he gets to where he needs to be with a single tsp while it takes me 2 TBSP. My tolerance is really low too, so I doubt the quality of the buds alone is causing the lack of potency compared to other people's successful runs like MrNaturalAz.

Yea, I'll definitely do a 30 minute decarb next time.

I'd love to know how MrNaturalAZ's process works out for you. Keep us updated, I'll definitely follow his process next time if I'm able to yield results like his.

Then again, I've heard 240F for 60 mins. According to this article 30 minutes results in incomplete (60%) decarboxylated trim.

 

[spk2629]

Hey momofthegoons, You rock! I am trying the coconut oil MBM with the private FB Group's suggested time and temps (33 minute decarb @ 220 --checked with actual baking rack thermometer) I decarbed in a sealed roasting bag for stealth which worked great, no one was any the wiser with the windows open and breeze blowing, no smell of anything from the oven

I then used coconut oil in solid form, filled to the min line of the MBM and the 32g of herb, which topped off the MBM at the max line.

I am running 1 hr @ 220 in MBM, then followed by a 4 hr run @ 160.

Fingers crossed will be done around 9:00 pm.

Quick question--- if the MBM Facebook is private/closed would you consider letting me join with an invite please? I have fibromyalgia, PTSD Veteran, with degenerative spine, ruptured and herniated discs, and have been a Michigan mmj patient for three years. Thanks for the consideration!

 

[momofthegoons]

@spk2629 I don't remember needing an invite to join... The group is called Magical Butter Users United. Go to their page and see if there is a request link... it might be as simple as asking to follow. I'm sorry I can't remember... what's that they say about mj and memory? Lol...

@killick do you remember if you need an invitation?

If you need an invite I'll be happy to do it though. Especially since you're from Michigan. I'm born and raised.

Let us know how your batch turns out. I've got my fingers crossed for you too!!!

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

(33 minute decarb @ 220 --checked with actual baking rack thermometer) I decarbed in a sealed roasting bag for stealth which worked great, no one was any the wiser with the windows open and breeze blowing, no smell of anything from the oven
...
I am running 1 hr @ 220 in MBM, then followed by a 4 hr run @ 160.

Hmmmm. I would be concerned with the possibility of over-decarbing (thus reducing potency) by following that plan. You'll be doing a total of 1.5 hours at 220 (half hour in the oven followed by another full hour in the MBM).

OTOH, perhaps the timing isn't as critical as all that, and you'll be fine? But I've been led to believe that time vs temp is pretty important - longer at lower temps, shorter at higher. I've seen decarb graphs and tables floating around the net, and even posted in this thread.

The longer extraction cycle (at 160) sounds like it would ensure complete extraction, and for that, "too long" can't hurt, within reason.

 

[spk2629]

made my coconut oil, and in the name of Science, I call it a success. Nice heavy relaxing feeling off 1 tsp, thanks

 

[killick]

Awesome, congrats!

@momofthegoons I had never heard about the group till someone from here invited me (can't recall who, but thanks again whoever your are . To be fair is never searched for it before, either, and it's hard to search what you've never thought of searching for. Does that make sense? Cause it sorta doesn't from my seat... It's been a long, but great, day!