Magical Butter

[mistress bearcat]

You can make the straight tincture but if you bind it to a fat and emulsify it with lecithin the result is more bio-available.

So, we have these low potency tinctures. How, exactly, does one go about binding the tincture to a fat and emulsify it? I have two cups of the alcohol tincture. What's my next step?

Oh, I don't know if this is another machine change, but now when a cycle finishes, the MB2E beeps until you unplug it. Don't think I like that. Really annoying.

 

[DorianGray]

So, we have these low potency tinctures. How, exactly, does one go about binding the tincture to a fat and emulsify it? I have two cups of the alcohol tincture. What's my next step?

Oh, I don't know if this is another machine change, but now when a cycle finishes, the MB2E beeps until you unplug it. Don't think I like that. Really annoying.

im interested in this too.

 

[t-dub]

I'm not writing a dissertation on this since it has been done already. BadKittySmiles is the Queen on this subject. I recommend reading all her stuff. Here is a link to a pertinent tutorial: LINK

Here is her site: http://www.badkatscannapharm.com/#!photo-tutorials/cqnr

And here is her master thread from the beginning on GC: Link

Quite frankly, I looked at what was left when the machine was done and it was completely wiped out by the Everclear. I followed the recipe and used a whole bottle and my results seem fine potency wise. Like BadKitty says in her tutorial "I think its safe to assume at least 95% of the actives are removed" and her method is shorter and less intensive than the machine.

Anyways if you read her stuff what I'm trying to do is just finish everything in the pan and not use the oven like she does. I just have to be careful not to overheat things. I added too much MCT oil last time so my "sludge" is separating a bit, and I obviously have to dose more because I added inactives, but the result has been very nice. I took about 1 ml yesterday and was very well medicated for about 8 hours.

You know whats ironic? My wife says I can't use any of her butter because it is too expensive!!!

Its ok . . . I was going to use coconut oil anyways. Might add some to the MCT oil next time to help the "sludge" solidify a bit more.

 

[Zondo]

Well, I've tried alcohol and non-alcohol recipe for vape end result. At first I MAY feel something, but nothing after. I ended up having my machine sent back due to a screeching noise that happens every other mix. Guy at magical butter says if there is an issue with the blades, then everything else about the machine will have an issue also, such as how it's heated. So if yours screeches also, I'd call them to get another machine. Could be affecting the low potency, at least I'm hoping. Also, my reduction of the alcohol on the stove just stayed liquidity at less then 1/2 cup..

 

[DorianGray]

thanks t-dub, I looked at those links and decided to heat the tincture with 2 table spoons of lecithin for 30 mins. I added a cup of ever clear and reduced again.

I tried 2cc of the reduced tincture and it was still not strong enough.

I vaped a little bit and was instantly very high, which tells me that my tincture is strong at something, just not the get me stoned something.

This has been an expensive project. lol

 

[FlyingLow]

I have learned so much from this thread... but still not sold on the MB2; perhaps a MB3 version might win me over.

 

[Vitolo]

I have learned so much from this thread... but still not sold on the MB2; perhaps a MB3 version might win me over.

The MB machine, like many technical advances, is not for everyone.
I recommend it to patients that have never made THC products before who find the processes intimidating.
I tried both MB and MB2 and have sold both, and I still make my butter the old way.
(tinctures, and oils also).
The patients I meet that have spent a lifetime making products with tools on hand, seem to prefer continuing use of methods that are part of their comfort zone.
@FlyingLow ...If you feel any doubt about purchasing the MB2 you are right to wait.
The machine will surely evolve as time goes on!

 

[stressed]

3 oz is a lot of product for some of us. A very expensive project. For me it would be cheaper to buy at the dispensaries any edibles or tincture. I have been saving ABV for my next Mag Butter Maker coconut oil venture.

I wish that we could use half herb and of the oil. We need to fill it up to the line. I wish they would come up with a mini version or a machine that used less. I would much rather make small more potent batches.

yeah i'm fortunate to have enough to experiment with. i agree that they should make a smaller model. i first tried 1.5 oz of ground and decarbed bud to 1 cup of oil,which would have been perfect, but that didn't make it to the min fill line which is why i added another 1.5 oz and another cup.

i have never tried tincture making or using alcohol because i've found what works and although i have enough bud to experiment, i have no reason to. love the coconut oil.

i grind my bud first then decarb so i'm not sure if 1.5 oz of unground bud and 1 cup of oil would make the min line. i think i checked it out before but maybe not. i'll try it later.


i'm just coming off 5 capsules that i took 4.5 hours ago (5 is too much and i'm going to stick with 4 caps per dose). i don't count the first hour so i got a lovely buzz for 3.5 hours. i'm still a little high but i just made my first bag of vape. i'd usually be 3 to 5 bags in by now and since i eat it to cut down on vaping, it worked out well.

good luck.



i have noticed that some people have the idea that say 7 grams of bud turned into an edible or oil will get them much more high than 7 grams toked or vaped. it varies from one person to the next but if i had to do one or the other, i'd pick vaping or smoking every time. if anybody is trying to extend their stash by cooking it, i'd rethink that. just my 2 cents.


edit #2 - 1 1/4 oz of unground bud makes it past the min fill line so one OZ and 1 cup of oil is enough. if i was low on buds, and wanted some more oil, i'd decarb the whole bud without grinding. i need to read up on it but i'm assuming that 240 degrees for 50 mins (or whatever time and temp is favored) or so would decarb the interior of the bud just as well as when i grind it up. even if the decarb was a bit less effective, i still get great oil without needing 3 oz of bud. if anybody knows something different, let me know.

The MB machine, like many technical advances, is not for everyone.
I recommend it to patients that have never made THC products before who find the processes intimidating.
I tried both MB and MB2 and have sold both, and I still make my butter the old way.
(tinctures, and oils also).
The patients I meet that have spent a lifetime making products with tools on hand, seem to prefer continuing use of methods that are part of their comfort zone.
@FlyingLow ...If you feel any doubt about purchasing the MB2 you are right to wait.
The machine will surely evolve as time goes on!

i made firecrackers and pop and fresh cookies for decades. making butter was a hassel, i was never comfortable with what the dosage of each edible was, and i never heard of oil before. then i stumbled on the MB2 info, and that and the idea of putting oil into capsules was perfect for me.

we made some iso hash in thailand (back in the 70s) and made thai stick and thai hash cookies. then of course we ate a couple cookies too many. we were so fucked up, i didn't eat pot again for 20 years.

i like to know exactly how much pot i'm consuming and the oil in capsules is the ticket. no muss, no fuss and i know how much is in each dose. i have the patience of a 5 year old and stirring, and watching the heat, and all that other stuff that is done the old way was never going to happen.

i'm very pleased with the unit but i can see how a hand's on person would enjoy the other way. i'm as hands off as possible.

 

[DorianGray]

i have noticed that some people have the idea that say 7 grams of bud turned into an edible or oil will get them much more high than 7 grams toked or vaped. it varies from one person to the next but if i had to do one or the other, i'd pick vaping or smoking every time. if anybody is trying to extend their stash by cooking it, i'd rethink that. just my 2 cents.

i think you're right. But scientifically speaking it should be stronger when ingested gram per gram. Why its not the case for my experiment, I'm trying to find out.

vitolo, you said you've made tinctures for a while? Any insight as to why I did not get any "I'm stoned" effects from my ever clear extraction?

As for the smaller magic butter, maybe they could sell an accessory that we could put at the bottom of the device, something like a rubber puck that would fill space to require less liquid volume to reach the minimum line.

 

[CarolKing]

You also really need to stay updated with the changes that MB makes to the recipes. I notice it changes every so often. So keep visiting their website with the most updated version.

 

[DorianGray]

thats what I did, I bought lecithin but didn't use it because I was following the recipe on their site.

Ingredients

• 14-20 grams botanicals per cup*
• 2-5 cups/475 mL-1.18 L of vegetable
  Glycerin or 95% ethanol alcohol
  (150-190 proof)
• DO NOT ADD WATER!!!

I sent them an email with the subject :" Nothing magical about my ever clear extraction". Lets see if they respond with advice.

what do you guys think will happen if I take the oil that remained after my ever clear evaporated, mix it with coconut oil, put it in my water bath and apply heat it to it for a few hours?

 

[DorianGray]

I cant seem to edit my last post, i hope i don't get in trouble for posting back to back, I received a warning last time I did it.


I'm pleased to update you guys that i have been successful with this project after all.

I used the same dosage that I previously did (not strong enough,only lasted 60min) but this time what I did was put coffee and a table spoon of butter in the nutri bullet and mixed for a min.

When I drink that the effects are much stronger and last a lot longer.

At 45mins I usually feel it coming on, then 1-2 hours, Im high, then surprisingly, if I don't eat anything I get a huge high at about 4 hours. I even get the "omg, I think I took too much" paranoid, tense, anxiety; that Ive learned to crave actually. lol If you can control that anxiety it can be used for fun.

I'm happy with the results and will try another magical butter in a few weeks.

 

[momofthegoons]

I cant seem to edit my last post, i hope i don't get in trouble for posting back to back, I received a warning last time I did it.

You only have 6 hours to edit your post so no worries.

 

[outletboy]

When I drink that the effects are much stronger and last a lot longer.

At 45mins I usually feel it coming on, then 1-2 hours, Im high, then surprisingly, if I don't eat anything I get a huge high at about 4 hours. I even get the "omg, I think I took too much" paranoid, tense, anxiety; that Ive learned to crave actually. lol If you can control that anxiety it can be used for fun.

I'm happy with the results and will try another magical butter in a few weeks.

Thats how i feel, the effects can be too strong especially to somebody new to eddibles, also they can feel very trippy. I can see how somebody may feel like they ate too much this is why i always warn my friends befor giving them an eddible. I always find too injoy the feeling, but the first time i thought i ate too much i kinda got paranoid but the feeling depressed as the high mellowed out, i ate close to tripple my normal dose that day, to experiment:] .

i once ate too much and puked, but i was thinking it was because i ate soo much oil

Gonna be making some more oil, maybe two onces to two cups. ( so i can eat less oil )
This time i got some lecithin, ill keep you all updated.
Tell then i will eat the rest of my eddibes and replay TLOZTP :].

 

[mistress bearcat]

I need some advice from more experienced users here. I made an EC tincture with an oz and 2 cups EC. Even after sitting for several days, this is still not as strong as I'd like, I know my mistake was not decarbing first. Would I be better off straining out the sludge, let it dry, decarb, then mix it back into the tincture? What about putting an hour on the 190 setting? Would that reduce the amount of alcohol and decarb the powder? I'm inclined to option two, because I'd really like to use the MB2E for all the production, since that's why I bought it! So, advice?

Yes, I know I can do the water bath simmer, but I thought I'd go for other options.

 

[t-dub]

Option #1 won't work as your medicine, decarbed or not, has been removed from the plant material. You can decarb wet but my understanding is it takes longer. If you reprocess in the machine be careful not to scorch your material.

 

[mistress bearcat]

Thanks, t-dub, I didn't think the first was plausible. What do you mean scorch? There will be about 2.5 cups of EC going in there. Is there a danger of all the alcohol evaporating? I thought the machine didn't work unless there was at least 2 cups of liquid.

One thing I didn't think of trying was to take a dropper and mix with the lecithin. I guess it would only need a drop of two for a dropperful of tincture. Will have to try this tomorrow.

 

[t-dub]

I have heard stories of people being able to dry the machine out at higher altitudes so I thought caution in reprocessing EC tincture would be prudent . . .

 

[mistress bearcat]

That's right! I remember reading that. Strange. The instructions claim that the machine won't work if below the min line. Wonder if that's only at the beginning of the process? Will have to go back to see if anyone contacted MB about the issue, and what MB said.

 

[momofthegoons]

I think your best bet would be to reduce your tincture down. Otherwise, you run the risk of ruining the entire batch.

Next time, try decarbing and adding your lecithin in during your tincture run.

 

[Vitolo]

I need some advice from more experienced users here. I made an EC tincture with an oz and 2 cups EC. Even after sitting for several days, this is still not as strong as I'd like, I know my mistake was not decarbing first. Would I be better off straining out the sludge, let it dry, decarb, then mix it back into the tincture? What about putting an hour on the 190 setting? Would that reduce the amount of alcohol and decarb the powder? I'm inclined to option two, because I'd really like to use the MB2E for all the production, since that's why I bought it! So, advice?

Yes, I know I can do the water bath simmer, but I thought I'd go for other options.

I would add nothing to this mixture.
I would do water bath simmer you mentioned.
Let the tincture reduce (low heat and under a vent) until it has reached 25% it's original volume.
Stir and slosh the rising ring of oil back down at intervals.
by the time it has reached 1/4 it's original volume, you stop, and by natural cooling evaporative action, it will go down to about 20% of it's starting volume.
It has been decarboxylated and activated in liquid form as it reduced.
Try it before considering it folly... you've nothing to lose.
I make a couple batches of "green" tincture monthly and the effect is always strongly medicating!

 

[Chainfire]

Seems like we got this down to a science! Thanks for all the awesome recipes.. gonna give it a go this weekend )

 

[shortwind]

This is my second posting on the Magical Butter. I wrote an earlier review about making an ETOH-based tincture with it.
On November 29, 2014, I made a batch of herb-infused coconut oil with my new Magical Butter device. It was my second experiment with the cooker. On 11/9/14, I made an alcohol based tincture with the Magical Butter...it came out quite successfully.
For the coconut oil, I used about 24 ounces of virgin coconut oil from Trader Joe's. I used about 40.2 ounces of herbs (various strains, all indicas). I decarbed the herbs first in the oven for 5 minutes at 325 degrees. I then followed the instructions for the cooker, including adding soy lecithin to the mixture.
I ran the one hour cycle for oil twice (two hours total). I wound up with about 20 to 24 ounces of oil. I strained it using the included filter and glove. The mixture solidified after refrigeration.
I also ran the machine's wash cycle, which worked pretty well, though had to re-rinse some areas. But no sticky mess.
After it cooled and became solid, I tried one heaping tablespoon full of the oil. No unpleasant taste, but it does look like light green mucus! The effects were not too weak or too strong...quite pleasant and relaxing. Altogether, I was happy with the results. I have a made a number of ETOH-based tinctures on stovetop and three batches of coconut oil prior to obtaining the Magical Butter. While, for the most part, the pre-Magical Butter tinctures turned out well, I have had mixed results with the coconut oil pre-Magical Butter. The first batch was a success, the second I heated too high and the potency was lost. The third I used a crock pot and it was weaker in potency then I would have preferred. By contrast, the Magical Butter streamlines the process and eliminates tedious steps such as grinding the plant material (for which I had used a coffee grinder).
Bottom line, I am happy with the Magical Butter results, though it would be nice if I could make smaller batches using less plant material (there is a minimum amount of herb needed to fill the machine and also obtain the potency you desire).

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

I used about 40.2 ounces of herbs (various strains, all indicas).

Wait, what? How'd you manage to fit 2.5 pounds of herb into the Magical Butter?

 

[shortwind]

Hi MrNaturalAZ:
Opps! I meant to type GRAMS, not ounces. Sorry. Senior moment. And I was NOT medicated when I typed it.
Cheers!