Magical Butter

[t-dub]

I am VERY pleased to see you all getting aboard the medible train!
Life gets better from here....

It only took consuming one syringe of RSO to realize the difference. I guess its the liver turning delta-9-THC into 11-Hydroxy-THC which is subsequently metabolized further to 11-nor-9-carboxy-THC, which is not psychoactive but might still play a role in the analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects of cannabis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC

 

[t-dub]

The new machine is indeed called the MB2-e (evolution). It has several important new features and improvements.

1. A Decarb button on top that initiates a proper decarb cycle (240*F for 30 min)

I will have to call them tomorrow and ask about this and see what is up with the decarb feature because what I was told is not correct, no "decarb" button.

Ran the "Clean" cycle and it went perfectly . . .

 

[t-dub]

Spoke with Joey at MagicalButter and he said you need to decarb your medicine in the oven. Don't grind it or anything, just turkey bag it and throw it in there @240*F for 45 minutes. Not sure why I was given bad info from Eric before but Joey was extremely helpful and said he is there all the time to help . . .

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

Spoke with Joey at MagicalButter and he said you need to decarb your medicine in the oven. Don't grind it or anything, just turkey bag it and throw it in there @240*F for 45 minutes. Not sure why I was given bad info from Eric before but Joey was extremely helpful and said he is there all the time to help . . .

Any reason you couldn't just run the MB on its 220 degree setting? Wouldn't that decarb it just fine (maybe that's the purpose of such a high-temp option)? Not being argumentative - just curious as to why it can't be done all in one go.

 

[t-dub]

I'm just telling you guys what I learned. In theory you could use the machine to do it but I believe you have to let it run then reset it like @momofthegoons posted earlier. I'm really not sure. I'm just going to do a basic decarb on all my flowers before putting them into the machine and not worry about it.

They are really nice on the phone btw (800-420-4334) . . .

 

[grokit]

Does decarb need to be a dry process? That would explain a few things.

 

[the ob]

I know it has been posted, and I might just be lazy, but can someone post the decarb process again? @momofthegoons and what huge advantage does this have? I should know this stuff

 

[CarolKing]

Decarb process - Some say 220F and some say 240F for 1 hour, I've also heard slightly less than an hour too. There are several ways that I've heard. Mom and @Vitolo are the experts. You will need to grind your cannabis first and lay it out thin on a cookie pan. The decarb process activates your cannabis.

 

[stressed]

Spoke with Joey at MagicalButter and he said you need to decarb your medicine in the oven. Don't grind it or anything, just turkey bag it and throw it in there @240*F for 45 minutes. Not sure why I was given bad info from Eric before but Joey was extremely helpful and said he is there all the time to help . . .

from what i've read, it's best to grind buds before decarbing, but now i'm wondering if it's really necessary as all of the bud would get to 240 degrees.

then again, i use 3 oz of bud and no way all of that is fitting into the MB2 as whole buds, super dry or not.


as far as wet vs dry decarbing, i've read that wet decarb takes much longer than dry decarb to actually do the same thing.


it sucks that we are all still trying to figure out the best way to do things. one experiment at a time.

 

[momofthegoons]

I know it has been posted, and I might just be lazy, but can someone post the decarb process again? @momofthegoons and what huge advantage does this have? I should know this stuff

It has been found that the decarb cycle on the MB machine isn't adequate and that decarbing your herb first helps increase the potency. General rule, according to most, is 240 degrees for 1 hr. I use a foil packet. Some use turkey bags. I do not grind the trim I use since it is already pretty dry. I just crumble it up first. The machine pulverizes it. If you are using bud, however, i would definitely grind; but not a fine grind. After your decarb, pop the packet into the freezer for it to cool completely.

Now... you can use the machine for a decarb cycle by running your herb in the machine at 220 degrees for one hour prior to doing the next steps. For instance, if you are making oil, you would run the machine at 220 for 1 hour, then reset the machine to 160 for the oil cycle. I have not tried this method as the oven decarb works well for me. I've also heard rumblings in the Magical Butter Group that they prefer the oven decarb method.

 

[t-dub]

then again, i use 3 oz of bud and no way all of that is fitting into the MB2 as whole buds, super dry or not.

2.5 oz with one 750 ml bottle of Everclear is what I was told to use so 3 oz may not fit, but it might.

I've also heard rumblings in the Magical Butter Group that they prefer the oven decarb method.

This is true, Joey said as much on the phone but indirectly of course. Also the new owners manual devotes an entire page on how to do it. Joey said not to break up the material and he uses 240*F for 45 minutes I believe.

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

It has been found that the decarb cycle on the MB machine isn't adequate and that decarbing your herb first helps increase the potency.

Now it's coming back to me. I remember that the previous version included a decarb cycle in the program. I remember seeing it in the instructions, and I either called or emailed them asking if there was a way to skip the decarb for use with ABV. I was told there wasn't, but they'd consider it as a future feature.

Apparently what they've done in this latest incarnation, in addition to the extra temperature choices, is to omit the mandatory decarb cycle.

So, for ABV you can just run the standard cycle corresponding to the product you are making, and when using fresh flowers, you either decarb manually in the oven (as described in the new instructions), or you could (optionally, not described in instructions) run a cycle in the MB at 220 for 1hr to decarb, followed by the appropriate cycle for whatever you're making. COOL!

(Wow... that's pretty neat - I ask about a feature, as merely a prospective buyer, and they deliver. I'm practically obligated to buy one now )

I've also heard rumblings in the Magical Butter Group that they prefer the oven decarb method.

The latest version of the instruction manual now recommends oven decarb.

{EDIT} Just dawned on me - while you might be able to do in-unit decarb for butter/oil, if you're making alcohol tincture, you'd obviously have to oven-decarb, as the 220 degrees would boil off the alcohol. DOH!

 

[the ob]

I love my @momofthegoons

 

[t-dub]

Getting ready for my first use of the machine to make MBO/RSO. Just doing the basics for now, no MCT oil or lecithin yet. I remembered I had a bunch of "garbage weed" left around, this is stuff that is old, pre-ground then left too long, weed I didn't vape because I had better weed, stuff like that. Perfect for a first run. Turns out I had way more than the 2.5 oz required. Anyways, I did my decarb in a foil covered Pyrex baking dish @240*F for 45 minutes. My house smells really nice now . . .

I'll let you guys know how it goes . . .

 

[momofthegoons]

I'm really excited about your experiment t-dub. This is something I haven't tried yet and I think it could be a real winner if it works.

I'm going to do a butter run this weekend. I made some butter using the crock pot method, but my crock pot runs way too hot. I think it boiled all the terps out. So I'm going to give the machine a try. Thinking about trying to make some tootsie rolls.

On another note, my husband agreed to be a guinea pig for my bath soak. Let me preface this by saying he is a non user, very hyper and never has the patience for a bath. But he had some sore muscles and was game. I figured he might stay in there for 10 minutes or so. After a half hour, I thought I'd better go check on him. I walk in and he's sitting there with a shit eating grin on his face and says "this stuff is pretty great." His pain was gone and I suspect he had a bit of a buzz going.

The tub, however, was a hot mess. It looked like I had a green butter ring around it. Nothing some scrubbing bubbles couldn't handle but I can see that turning off some people, lol.

 

[Dawntreader]

it sucks that we are all still trying to figure out the best way to do things. one experiment at a time.

I know! So far, i have tried 3 different ways/temps/time and each time has still been great, thank goodness cause i dont have anything to trash!

Anyways, I did my decarb in a foil covered Pyrex baking dish @240*F for 45 minutes. My house smells really nice now . . .

I'll let you guys know how it goes . . .

This is my favorite part - my house always smells amazing during this faze

 

[sasNW]

Just placed my order! Been checking this out forever and figured I'd finally pull the trigger. I have a pound that I plan to make into butter/oil so hopefully this will make it much easier, really hope I can set it before work and come home to it finished.... That's a dream come true for me

 

[Zondo]

So I made a batch last night of vape oil. Instruction booklet said 250F for 25-30 mins, which I did 27 in an oven bag. Everyone in the house was high from that. Then used the recipe Iza from Magical Butter gave me. 2.5oz bud, 1.5 cup vg and 1/4th cup pg. Ran 4 hours @ 130F due to being in Colorado. I made a huge mess trying to filter the stuff lol. Ended up with 1 cup of vape oil.


My only issue is throat hit. It'll randomly be smooth or make me wanna cut my throat out. Looking around on internet, I see most people go for about 75/25 pg/vg for great throat hit. I used 15/85 pg/vg, so should I have switched what he told me to use? And is there a way i can just add some pg to my viles and just shake like crazy to help balance?

 

[momofthegoons]

And is there a way i can just add some pg to my viles and just shake like crazy to help balance?

According to this article the OP just added the pg at the end and shook it so I don't know why not.

The MB people haven't been the best at giving instructions; as anyone who has the original manual will tell you. The recipes in the online booklet have been changed multiple times too; sometimes for altitude problems that arose and sometimes because the recipe simply didn't work. Most of the changes were brought about by the testing of the Facebook group dedicated to the MB machine.

 

[t-dub]

Well I got halfway through the MBO process last night. The machine did a fantastic job. I started with 2.75 ounces of medicine and a bottle of Everclear (750 ml). I ended up with 500 ml of this really dank looking liquid. I still have to reduce it but I just ran out of energy last night and I'm just not getting started today. I might be able to squeeze more in there next time, maybe 3 ounces . . .

 

[the ob]

So I made a batch last night of vape oil. Instruction booklet said 250F for 25-30 mins, which I did 27 in an oven bag. Everyone in the house was high from that. Then used the recipe Iza from Magical Butter gave me. 2.5oz bud, 1.5 cup vg and 1/4th cup pg. Ran 4 hours @ 130F due to being in Colorado. I made a huge mess trying to filter the stuff lol. Ended up with 1 cup of vape oil.


My only issue is throat hit. It'll randomly be smooth or make me wanna cut my throat out. Looking around on internet, I see most people go for about 75/25 pg/vg for great throat hit. I used 15/85 pg/vg, so should I have switched what he told me to use? And is there a way i can just add some pg to my viles and just shake like crazy to help balance?

zonda, I am a long time ecig user so I have a lot of experience with making juices. Here are some basic things you need to know.

VG is the ingredient responsible for creating "clouds" but the throat hit will be less. PG generally delivers flavor and increases the throat hit. It used to be that most companies would do a 70/30 PG/VG mix. In recent times, the large clouds have been trendy and so there is a lot of higher VG juices being made.

also, and I frankly think a lot of this is BS, but people swear they will be allergic to PG. I do believe this does happen, but not as often as people believe.

Here is the most important part of what I would like to say..........

people naturally assume that VG because it is vegetable based is better than PG which as has been stated is a ingredient that people say is used to make unit-freeze. It is also in about a billion products we use daily and I believe it could actually have some nice health benefits.

on the flip side, I am seeing many new reports of issues with VG being vaped at high temps as some people are doing. I have seen data to suggest that at those temps, it could be cancer causing.

the main issue here is one of emulsification. It is very difficult to properly emulsify thc, oil, hash etc into a ecig mix. that is why they have suggested lectin and fats (butter, oil etc) to get them to bind. I am personally a person who prefers higher PG liquids, but that is just me....

 

[Zondo]

That's what's weird, the ob. I'm on the very low end of pg, so throat hit shouldn't be bad at all. Cloud amount isn't even that much compared to what I see on youtube for how much vg I have. Though, I'm using an auto vape pen until my evod comes, if that could be affecting cloud amount and throat hit. I did just add about 100% the amount of oil already in my pen with pg. So inside my pen now could be roughly 60/40 pg/vg Throat hit has gone down a bit, which.. contradicts what pg does, no?

 

[the ob]

That's what's weird, the ob. I'm on the very low end of pg, so throat hit shouldn't be bad at all. Cloud amount isn't even that much compared to what I see on youtube for how much vg I have. Though, I'm using an auto vape pen until my evod comes, if that could be affecting cloud amount and throat hit. I did just add about 100% the amount of oil already in my pen with pg. So inside my pen now could be roughly 60/40 pg/vg Throat hit has gone down a bit, which.. contradicts what pg does, no?

yeah, that makes no sense. I am wondering if it had something to do with the emulsion issue that I mentioned above. or it could be that it is not mixed well enough.

I am still confused by the recipe that only uses flowers, PG and VG as it has been my experience that doing that will not properly hold the active ingredients without something to bind it.

I am about to do a very long post and was planning on asking some of these questions that might help you as well.

what is the auto-vape pen you are using? It could be a wicking issue as well.

 

[Zondo]

It's called "Bud touch" that was bundled with cbd oil I ordered. Looks exactly the same as the well known "O-Pen". As of this moment, this thing isn't vaping. Worked a bit when i put more pg in, and now just crap again. I'm thinking of just buying a pen from the smoke shop tonight just to see if a manual would do better. At least know if it's possibly the wick and not the oil.

 

[the ob]

It's called "Bud touch" that was bundled with cbd oil I ordered. Looks exactly the same as the well known "O-Pen". As of this moment, this thing isn't vaping. Worked a bit when i put more pg in, and now just crap again. I'm thinking of just buying a pen from the smoke shop tonight just to see if a manual would do better. At least know if it's possibly the wick and not the oil.

it could be something as simple as the wicking. or the wick is not saturated enough. you might let it settle a bit before using it.