stickstones
Vapor concierge
I fail to see how this vape could be healthier than others.
Discontinued Loto Labs Lux (formerly Evoke)
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Vapor Loop
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They aren't talking about the ll core so that really don't apply here, If your talking about wax tank's some can be pretty shitty, and this seem's a better option if cost don't really matter, Or if you already have one for ll or juice tinctures.
One thing you have to keep in mind is the Pax 2 and Ascent are session portables, And will waste material as they take time to heat up and longer to cool. The Evoke is a on demand portable and should waste much less. The thing they have in common is there all conduction once you really get down to it, But one happens to use instant electromagnetic induction to get that conduction.
InterestingTheory
Active Member
Do we know that the Evoke is an on-demand vape (I'm sure it is for liquids/concentrates, but for dry herb?)? Seems to me that the induction heating isn't going to magically heat up a conduction oven faster than a wired connection would. "Instant electromagnetic induction" is no faster than instant wired conduction, is it? On that note, can someone explain why we should be so excited about the fact that they're using induction? So they've removed some wires, what's the big deal? If the induction were heating the material it might be kinda exciting, but why should we care when this thing seems to just be a new way of heating a conduction oven?
grokit
well-worn member
The thing to me about induction stovetops is that they feel cool to the touch. If the evoke can keep the load cool using this tech so it is truly on demand like convection, but with direct heating like conduction, then we may have some kind of a breakthrough here. Or not; I know nothing about advanced thermodynamics.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I've been waiting for an answer to this myself for a while now.
YaFreekin Right
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I think it's because you already know the answer. There are no advantages, just marketing mumbo jumbo.
InterestingTheory
Active Member
Unfortunately this is not that breakthrough at all. I believe that induction stovetops stay cool because they are the source of the magnetic induction field (which is used to heat a pot or pan directly without waiting for a hot element to heat and then transfer that heat to the pot).
So as this applies to the Evoke, the coil that produces the induction field will stay cool too. But the induction core is going to have to heat (this would be the pot/pan in the analogy). That's where it kind of becomes a useless innovation in my opinion. The only thing that's changing is where the heating element (in this case the induction core) is getting it's energy from. It changes absolutely nothing about how the vaporizable substance inside is heating up. It won't be any more on-demand than any other conduction vaporizer. If induction could actually heat the herb, then we'd have a different situation, but induction can't do that. In cooking it heats the pot/pan which then heats the food inside - it's not directly heating the food. So, as far as I can tell, the big innovation here is that instead of heating the heating element through wires, it's being heated by a magnetic induction field. LotoLabs themselves have confirmed that it is indeed a conduction vaporizer (powered by induction).
So why is there any hype here? Who the heck cares if electricity is passing to the heating element via wires or not? I would also wonder if there isn't more wasted energy by having to make an induction field instead of just sending those watts directly into the heater with a wired connection...?
YaFreekin Right
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Great post.
I'm not sure where the hype is coming from.
There certainly is energy wasted using induction rather than directly connecting the heater.
This product and the whole approach they have taken on selling it really rubs me the wrong way.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
i would have like to see them use induction to power a convection system. wouldn't be that hard...you just move the heater before the herb so it is heating passing air like all the others. could even be kind of instant if it heats up fast enough.
What if a wire heater was insulated in a way where weed was deposited all around the wire but only the wire in the middle of the load heated up? Cheaper or crapper induction? 
dingus
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I'm only hyped for the Evoke to arrive so I can resell it. Won't even open it out of the box or attempt to flip it. The indiegogo price I paid for it is what I'm going to try to move mine for.. hopefully it'll move quickly since they're aiming to sell the units for 400 lol.
Lesson learned, friends.
Lesson learned, friends.
I don't really see that much hype in this thread to be honest. The quote above is from June of last year.
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Archaicrevival
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natural farmer
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Exactly that!!!
Vapor Loop
Well-Known Member
That is just the pre sale price, They really are supposed to go up to $400.
I hope these don't take any longer than a Mflb to heat up dry material, They never gave any reason or indication that it would not be just as fast, Just clips that showed all three versions working on demand, If i find out otherwise my Evoke is gonna do a magic trick, It will turn into a Crafty, Mighty or Mivape.
dingus
Well-Known Member
Today's update is hilarious. After they finalize the valve/mouth piece system (there is no time line for that, they're "tinkering for the perfect puff"!), they will need an additional 6 weeks for tooling the final ceramic mouthpieces.. Then they will need to produce a second round of the test units to send out to us.
There's no chance we're seeing the Evoke this year. And they managed to get a spot in High Times "Hot Products", are you kidding me? I wonder how much they paid to get in there, it looks like they've been flying all over the country trying to get interviews/the Evoke reviewed.. Each time they post something on Instagram, they're in a different state.
Love how the BuzzFied review is probably the only review we have of someone actually using the Evoke and they act like it never happened.
There's no chance we're seeing the Evoke this year. And they managed to get a spot in High Times "Hot Products", are you kidding me? I wonder how much they paid to get in there, it looks like they've been flying all over the country trying to get interviews/the Evoke reviewed.. Each time they post something on Instagram, they're in a different state.
Love how the BuzzFied review is probably the only review we have of someone actually using the Evoke and they act like it never happened.
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Archaicrevival
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So should I cancel my preorder? Is this vape just expensive hype?
YaFreekin Right
Well-Known Member
Yes! And buy something else ASAP.
For $299 you could get: Imag+, right away
VapCap, Shipping in Sept
A Grasshopper late 2015, early 2016
$50 still in your pocket
A Grasshopper late 2015, early 2016
$50 still in your pocket
Archaicrevival
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I plan on getting the mivape. But I also reserved the Evoke as it didn't require a credit card to do so.
dingus
Well-Known Member
If you can, I would. I really don't understand their process; they have a prototype which they admit is faulty, the mouth piece doesn't work - in the past it leaked and airflow problems were always present - yet they still tried to get the prototype reviewed by big names, popping up in places like NYC.
Read this buzzfied piece, this is where we're at.
dingus
Well-Known Member
Welp, Neeraj is pitching the "first magnetic induction" vape today at the Twitter building for the 420 Weed Club Event. It'll be interesting to see him pitch a faulty device again, it didn't work well for the buzzfied piece. Maybe we'll get some new info after today, not holding my breath tho.
