Long-term Vaping

[crimsondeath]

I find it hard to believe they are going to do anything with Alzheimer's utilizing thc without cbd.

When I pasted that link it was because it's the first one I found, didn't realize they didn't mention CBD. There's other articles where they'll mention CBD and not THC. Do a search for cannabis+Alzheimer's, you'll find stuff. Although it's obviously not very clear at this point, but still interesting

 

[His_Highness]

Go in your medicine cabinet and look at the side effects of any of the prescription drugs you take compared to the side effects of marijuana.

I love those pharmaceutical commercials where toward the end they talk at lightning speed to describe all the potential side affects like anal leakage. I'd like to see the one for MJ - could cause munchies, wearing out your Dark Side of the Moon album and couch lock...in the event of red eyes lasting four hours or more see your local Walgreens immediately for Visine.

As for sperm count, I think it is low. I didn't plan on having children, but if the option is no longer there I will be sad. I saw the count is low because I used to masturbate daily growing up but now I don't. I still produce sperm but I noticed I don't shoot out as much as when I was growing up.
I knew this going in though and decided to proceed anyway.

Sounds more like quality over quantity to me

 

[Jeppy]

When I pasted that link it was because it's the first one I found, didn't realize they didn't mention CBD. There's other articles where they'll mention CBD and not THC. Do a search for cannabis+Alzheimer's, you'll find stuff. Although it's obviously not very clear at this point, but still interesting

I'm working with some Norcal CBD growers and EA in regards to this. Genuine treatment involving high doses of CBD and small amounts of THC. Flowers, edibles and concentrates are being utilized. What strains you ask? Pennywise and cannatonic are front runners in all three forms.

 

[Radio]

I'm kinda relying on the belief that long-term vaping isn't going to be an issue health-wise. That'd really, really be good.

 

[nighteyes]

Long term vaping vs. long term smoking, vaping wins all day, every day.

I smoked for 15 years, vaped for the last two and have 3 kids, nothing wrong with my little soldiers although I do forget why ive walked into a room sometimes. I'm always stoned when this happens, if I didnt get this foggy id return my herbs

 

[biohacker]

If you are going to vape long term, I highly suggest getting a full blood panel done at a minimum of twice a year. Specificially keep an eye on your hemoglobin and immune cell activity. Depending on how much you abuse and vape, it can definitely affect your lung and overall health, especially in relation to red and white bloods cells, and blood oxygen content, and your bodies ability to use oxygen. Just my experience.

 

[FrigginRights]

I'm kinda relying on the belief that long-term vaping isn't going to be an issue health-wise. That'd really, really be good.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I have been vaping for around 7 months, and honestly it has helped me chill out.
I like to work, even when I dont want to work anymore, but when im vaping I know longer care about work and can appreciate other things in life.

Also when im sober I do not like to eat (because I would rather work lol), I pretty much just eat when im very hungry, and I hate being very hungry, however when vaping my appetite goes very up and can enjoy eating food.

Physically I dont feel any different, I dont crave marijuana (if its gone, ill miss it, but ill never go out of my way and search for it) and I think moderation is key. I only vape when im taking a day off, or after im doing all my sober-required activities.

 

[Radio]

Yeah, I agree with you.

I have been vaping for around 7 months, and honestly it has helped me chill out.
I like to work, even when I dont want to work anymore, but when im vaping I know longer care about work and can appreciate other things in life.

Also when im sober I do not like to eat (because I would rather work lol), I pretty much just eat when im very hungry, and I hate being very hungry, however when vaping my appetite goes very up and can enjoy eating food.

Physically I dont feel any different, I dont crave marijuana (if its gone, ill miss it, but ill never go out of my way and search for it) and I think moderation is key. I only vape when im taking a day off, or after im doing all my sober-required activities.

Physically I don't feel any different either, but my perception of my body has changed. I no longer experience pain in the same debilitating and stressful way. It does not work me up or get me hot-headed and emotionally drained and charged up. I just have my pain, have a vape and get on with things. It makes it easier to live with a chronic pain because it helps me accept.
So overall my physical health hasn't improved as a result of vaping, but it has alleviated the unnecesary pressure I was putting on myself to cope under the pain. Now I just let it be and manage it sensibly and slowly without overwhelming myself . Thank you Mary Jane

 

[biohacker]

@steama - re: cannabis in the chart - tolerance - little, if any? I'm sure many on this forum would disagree with that. In fact, there are threads on here that completely disprove that. I put dependence at - little, if any in the exact same category. IMHO it's bullshit.

 

[crimsondeath]

dependence at - little, if any

I'd say it not only depends on the person but also on the person's circumstances... just my opinion.

While there are other substances or activities that carry much clearer and more dramatic withdrawal symptoms, many people do experience withdrawal troubles if quitting vaping. I think it depends on the person and why the person's using it.

Some people really can quit at any point and it's no biggie and some people will need alternate therapies or activities and an adjustment period.

Edit: Fixed quote, I meant dependence, not tolerance

 

[GR]

@steama - re: cannabis in the chart - tolerance - little, if any? I'm sure many on this forum would disagree with that. In fact, there are threads on here that completely disprove that. I put dependence at - little, if any in the exact same category. IMHO it's bullshit.

So far anything that does not agree with what you have to say is BullShit. Ever hear of the term dry drunk? You know the person that walks into a bar and tells everyone there they need help because they are alcoholics for sitting at a bar?

Plenty of threads around hear on lowering tolerance and for most a few weeks of controlled reduction takes care of it or a few day full break gets it low again. If you compare tolerance of narcotics or alcohol to tolerance cannabis I would argue I still feel my first dab even though I will do 5 more, with a high alcohol or narcotic tolerance a small amount will not be felt and more is required to have any effect. On a personal note I often have times where dabbing or vaping is not an option for arthritis relief so I can go days taking 25mg BHO caps I make twice a day and they work beautiful. So how can I feel the effects of 25mg when the last two weeks I have consumed 500-1000mg of BHO a day if I have a true tolerance?

 

[biohacker]

No, i'm just not biased. Here is a quote from someone over the pond that sums it up. I am in PM discussions with many that have reached out and empathize:

The reason I liked your posts so much is you seemed unbiased. I understand people being all "pro-", especially when we're used to completely biased "against". But I'm all for knowledge, whether it's for or against, and I also think it must depend on the person. And you know, I keep thinking and pondering. I know it does me good (sleep, period cramps, appetite, some "moods") but I wish I also knew for sure all the ways in which it hurts, too (lack of energy/apathy if I overdo it, for starters). I want to be informed. It's pretty difficult.

I hope you realize the contradiction in your post. It's obvious that you and others feel threatened that there are cons to cannabis and vaping as well.

Yes, I still maintain BULLSHIT on any site that claims that cannabis doesn't cause tolerance. Go ahead and debate the physical dependency all you want, but it's a FACT that cannabis causes tolerance. I suppose with respect to all the tolerance threads that it's all in their heads?

I'm not saying anyone needs help, dry drunk is irrelevant. If you feel threatened, don't read my posts. Nothing is black and white, but for people to cry when someone says something bad about their beloved plant, says something right there. There are pros and cons, just like everything in life. Those that don't think so, are in denial. Period.

 

[crimsondeath]

@GR @biohacker
I'd say you two agree more than your posts would make it appear lol. You're just picking on the differences... looking at the same prism from opposite sides, if you will.
IMO it does have a tolerance degree that's almost ridiculous compared to other things, but that's not to say there isn't some. And GR also admits, "for most a few weeks of controlled reduction takes care of it or a few day full break gets it low again" (I don't know if "for most", that's subjective; I just really don't know; but it's certainly true for a decent amount of people. And like biohacker says, it's not always true, or true for everyone).

 

[biohacker]

I agree @crimsondeath, and just because tolerance doesn't occur for a particular person, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's why I called bullshit, and I will call BS on the dependence part too, but that's through my experiences. There are certain facts that can't be ignored long term, like receptor downgrading, and basically every single site where cannabinoid receptors exist. Whatever, I can see the cliques forming, and now I have more haters and lovers here, and it's all good. People don't care until they HAVE to. Such is life. All the best to everyone that vapes long term.

 

[His_Highness]

Tolerance has more than one meaning/definition and both seem to apply here

 

[CarolKing]

With cannabis the tolerance level starts quickly more than with alcohol or cigerettes.

 

[GR]

folks I have no tolerance for derailing threads...see what I did there, lol.

@biohacker I know you said you did not want to post in the medical section but the mods created a thread for it. We have now derailed 3 threads to talk about the addiction side and health side of cannabis and I urge you to reconsider posting there. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dealing-with-addiction.16424/

 

[His_Highness]

My tolerance increases as the day progresses. I have a sneaking suspicion most people are like that.

I enjoy getting baked and going for a run first thing in the morning. I will use about half the herb for that morning run as I would for an afternoon or evening run because I get so much more toasted first thing in the morning than I do later in the day off the same stuff.

 

[grokit]

Tolerance builds pretty quickly for my coffee dependance, but I can quit any time I want and reset it to zero. If I say that about cannabis I'm an addict, but in my experience the only difference is the substance and the reset time. It takes a week with caffeine and about three weeks with thc/cbd's, if I go cold turkey. The other difference is when I quit coffee I get a day or two of headaches, quit weed and I miss a night or two of sleep.

 

[CarolKing]

A lower dose of meds for a few days then a T break for 72 hours sets my tolerance clock. I think long term vaping and tolerance goes hand and hand. Not that this needs to be dwelled upon exclusively in this thread.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

(my advance apologies for the derail)

When it comes to vaping it is one of the reasons I can partake long term. I was done with smoking when I picked up vaping, had I not had the option to vape I would of had to quit. So I am very grateful for that bonus vaping has given me. As far as using any substance long-term there will always be a cost for that activity as with any activity. If you work-out too hard your muscles become sore as an example of cost. For me the benefits of vaping outweigh those costs.

Which leads to the next point and that is whether or not you define yourself or others as addict for well, just about any out of control habit? The word addiction is one of the most complex words in our language. Discussions on FC regarding addiction lead me to read up on addiction a little bit. I found this gem of a paper online named, The Meaning of Addiction. Compulsive Experience and Its Interpretation. The story of the word addiction is complex and amazing. Check it out.

@steama - re: cannabis in the chart - tolerance - little, if any? I'm sure many on this forum would disagree with that. In fact, there are threads on here that completely disprove that. I put dependence at - little, if any in the exact same category. IMHO it's bullshit.

OK, so I did a massive TL: DR of that page and skipped straight to what I assume is the chart being discussed...

I just looked at cocaine, and it says no physical dependance, no tolerance, just mental dependance...

What the What?

I thought coke was one of the kings of tolerance and physical dependance?

That chart really doesn't sit well with my understanding of some of the drugs described...

psilocybin - I thought there was some research into it helping with cluster migraines?, not "none" medical use.

Cannabis - "None in modern medicine" - dafuq? I know the paper was from 1985, but the distinction of "in modern medicine" is a massive red flag to me.
Either it has medical use, or it doesn't... If it was used for some old timey shit that it wasn't actually effective for, then it should just be "none"...
If it has uses, but is out of favour due to illegality or the availability of other drugs, then the medical uses are still a property of the drug, and should be listed.

LSD - "essentially none" - so what the hell are they hiding with the weasel word Essentially?
Again, if it has medical properties, they should be listed, whether or not the drug is in favour with the medical community at the time...

 

[grokit]

Marijuana is the cold fusion of the medical world

 

[Rise&Solo]

Marijuana is the cold fusion of the medical world

Except that marijuana works.

 

[norcalty]

As a long time cannabis user, I'm looking forward to the stupid US GOV to take pot off the schedule I drug list. Only once it's removed will we be able to see what marijuana really can do medically and we will finally get some US studies on marijuana long term effects. The government did some 20 studies to prove marijuana is horrible for you in which they accidentally proved pot actually kills cancer. I'm looking forward to seeing more studies that aren't meant to just vilify it but rather to actually find out it's real effects on our health. Either way... I would bet a lot on the fact that marijuana is heads and tails less damaging than alcohol (both on the individual and our society).

 

[hoptimum]

Oh boy, you're opening the can of worms here greatly, and thus I suggest you PM me

If you want to go into extremes, check out www.cannabisrehab.org. I can attest that it's not only combusters either, when you vape you are getting a shit tonne of exogenous cannabinoids into your system, and if you do it frequently enough, you will downregulate many processes in the brain/body. Do your own research, this is NOT the best place for it as it's a PRO-weed forum, and many refuse to correlate with any negative health effects. With vaping, and any drug (it IS a drug), the poison is in the dose. If your appetite isn't there unless you are high, you are going down a slippery slope.

I will always have weed/vaping in my life, but after 10 years of doing this, I have suffered dearly, and have had to restructure my life and relationship with the plant. I would love to chat with you in private via PM if you like, and share my experiences. But just note, even though vaping makes me relaxed and horny, I definitely have experienced negative effects in that department. I'm constantly testing/experimenting on myself, and sharing experiences on other forums. Just the fact that you are asking is a really good thing! Welcome to FC my canuck brother!

Nothing is free and everything has consequences. You just need to work out whether the benefits outweigh them for you.