Discontinued Inhalater XP

Old School

Vape13man
Are you using the newest version? Are the reports of wispy hits untrue? Are you having a different experience?
Sorry no it does get confusing after awhile....my replacement had the lower temp but was limited by the higher temp.....the latest version has the higher temp now bumped out to 250 which I think even exceeds what the Q2 was capable of.....
I don't really care what the dial # says, just what temp it translates to. Inh has said 125-250 on an 8 digit dial w/ even distribution. That means +18 degrees per bump. at 6, that would be 214C (that is over 417F).
If this is the 1st place you get noticeable vapor (more than wispy) I don't consider that effective or on par w/ comparable products. Do you not feel that the vapor to air ratio should be higher at a lower temp?
Yes I in fact feel it should be higher and was in fact higher with my Q2......see if this helps....I'm confident that my new replacement Q3 will be like my old replacement with the added fact that I can now kill my cap on my 3rd run like I like too.....{I really missed that ability} however......I'm also expecting based on Sonics comments that I will not be getting my Q2 rich thick velvety smooth draws like I used to....w/Q2
However I want to say again to be clear....my replacement was still better IMO than what is out on the market today.....even without the higher temp ability to kill a cap....I really enjoyed the 3rd run as its when you get smacked bt the CBN "couch lock" it has a place......I prefer night time just before bed...
 

Snake Plissken

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oldschool: isn't the sensor in a different location on the unit you are going to receive than on the replacement you last received? This seems to make a pretty significant difference to performance. While I think you are probably right about being able to better utilize the higher temps in the way you like to, it seems like that may be to the detriment of convection heating? I would love it if inhalator was to respond that I'm completely wrong and that there is just as much convection going on as always. It seems as if vapor production would be better if that was the case though.

While I don't doubt Sonic's experience w/ his particular unit, I wish that there were more q3's out there being reviewed for comparison analysis.
 
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Inhalater

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I think Sonics is having us talking for fun. I think he means that at a low dial number were Q2 made lots of vapour Q3 does not so much.

Hey Sonics. What happens if you max it out on a full capsules of herbs ;-) ?
 
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hiphiphooray

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I agree with @2clicker. This whole discussion is ridiculous. No one here is an engineer and has access to the Inhalater schematics (except maybe Inhalater ;)). So, lets just stop making assumptions that they screwed up in production, because no one has an expertise to back that claim.

Sonic's experience does not speak for everyone with Q3 units. We should direct our questions and concerns to other members with the same Q3 units (like @TransHumanC) and see how their vapor compares before spreading information around that the unit is faulty. Otherwise, members like @Snake Plissken will be faslely discouraged.
 
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Old School

Vape13man
I agree with @2clicker. This whole discussion is ridiculous. No one here is an engineer and has access to the Inhalater schematics (except maybe Inhalater ;)). So, lets just stop making assumptions that they screwed up in production, because no one has an expertise to back that claim.
OK I can't go with ridiculous....please remember the premise of this whole discussion is how very different the user experience was between our Q2's and the newly improved replacements {that opps got set a little too low}....I actually had them both at the same time a Q2 & a newly improved replacement....

oldschool: isn't the sensor in a different location on the unit you are going to receive than on the replacement you last received? This seems to make a pretty significant difference to performance. While I think you are probably right about being able to better utilize the higher temps in the way you like to, it seems like that may be to the detriment of convection heating? I would love it if inhalator was to respond that I'm completely wrong and that there is just as much convection going on as always. It seems as if vapor production would be better if that was the case though.

I can't say for certain truly only the MFR can but from what I have been told....YES my replacement had the new sensor location.......now here is a little user test I conducted using a digital thermometer...
also note that my sensor was at the exit point of the vapor therefore my temps did not match theirs...

Q2 set to #3 same exact material - light flashes sooner; temp holds longer; vapor rich...very nice
replacement newly improved including sensor location from my understanding-
REP set to #6 same exact material - light takes longer to flash and sometimes doesn't; temp drops quick; vapor yes but one can not call it rich or velvety no way.......and here is the kicker MFR says it is all the same hardware.....hmmmmm
they even told me where to run the new replacement at #6 and that was right on....my digital meter agreed Q2 #3 was peaking at the same number my replacement #6 was but.......vapor not the same.

How can this be.....finally after several emails it was mentioned that the sensor was relocated to allow for better control of the chamber temperature.....ahhhhhh but how could that make such a drastic difference.....and why was the light taking so long to start flashing.....I chewed on this question for weeks......

If all of this is nonsense {hoping so} then we will all know soon enough but as more folks need replacements and or upgrades and we start hearing more complaints then and only then do I think they will go back and adjust them accordingly......as I'm certain they can play with the relationship of the sensor & the light to the heating element electronically so.......

Currently it is my belief that they feel very strongly about using lower temperatures {which btw I agree with} and I think they want to educate the world about the benefits.....which is awesome.....I support all of that.

I worry that in there view this issue is all tied to the chamber temp, {which they have an answer for so that's that}..... I believe this now covers up the real issue.... which I will call "hang time" window.... because that's what I basically saw the Q2 would stay warmer longer...and as a result kick ass vapor rich and velvety smooth....be careful not to take too much....the tickle will get your ass....

damn I write way too much....sorry....
 
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hiphiphooray

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@Old School, nah ur good man, you're post was well written. I was just skimming over the posts I missed the previous day and felt like I just kept reading, "I'm not engineer, but..." So all at once it seemed a little too much bashing on Inhalater's engineering team with no real claims.

You're post is much more informative though and has some tests to back it up since you actually have both XPs side by side. Next time you get a chance, would you mind running another test for us?

I'm wondering if it has more to do with the airflow/airtemp rather than the sensor location. If the heat is drawn very quickly vs very slowly I think you may get different results. Next time you have the two models both at the same temperature, what happens if you draw very slowly over a long period of time? Or if you inhale quickly for a short second, stop, and then inhale again for a short second, repeat, etc?

Just wondering if the quality of vapor change between models only at certain draw speeds.



Edit: I definitely feel your pain @Sonics420. After paying 250 and waiting forever for a unit, if it doesn't function as I expect I'm going to cry... :( its just so much worse waiting when you aren't sure how much longer you have. Hope fades much faster when u cant see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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Old School

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@Old School, nah ur good man, you're post was well written. I was just skimming over the posts I missed the previous day and felt like I just kept reading, "I'm not engineer, but..." So all at once it seemed a little too much bashing on Inhalater's engineering team with no real claims.

You're post is much more informative though and has some tests to back it up since you actually have both XPs side by side. Next time you get a chance, would you mind running another test for us?

I'm wondering if it has more to do with the airflow/airtemp rather than the sensor location. If the heat is drawn very quickly vs very slowly I think you may get different results. Next time you have the two models both at the same temperature, what happens if you draw very slowly over a long period of time? Or if you inhale quickly for a short second, stop, and then inhale again for a short second, repeat, etc?

Just wondering if the quality of vapor change between models only at certain draw speeds.
Funny you should mention draw speed as it was another thing I preferred about my Q2....I simply told folks to draw as slow as they could stand to....and if the make the light flash they need to slow down even more or stop all together until the vape can catch up....this method worked great even for newbies.

Any one how has had a portable especially and even true with some desktops......you need to slow your draw.......so yes I'm gonna say all of my tests....to the best of my ability had close to the same draw speed.....

One last but very sad note......I can't do any more testing as my last Q2 died a few weeks back and the 1 replacement died weeks before that.......I'm smoking again actually....my VB2 doesn't deliver the couch lock....so for me its the XP or it's.....fire in the hole.....
 
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Inhalater

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Our objective is to make the product as the consumer desires it. Pharmacor staff personal preference on vaporisation temperature is irrelevant so far as they can find it when they use the device :-)

We are confident that actual configuration will in effect permit everyone to find what they are looking for. At this point feedback is still somewhat sketchy.
 
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Snake Plissken

Transcendentalist
OK. I guess I am still hung up on the convection issue. W/ all of the great reviews on previous versions' vape quality, I attributed that (maybe mistakenly) to the convection aspect of this vape. imo, the convection was at least partially responsible for achieving 'rich, velvety' hits.

While I would love more feedback from users w/ the q3, we got what we got. There seems to be agreement (so far) that the unit, in it's newest incarnation, does not produce as 'quality' of vape as before. I consider this a separate issue from temp control.

Do the current users of q3 find a difference in the amount of convection going on between q3 and previous models? If we can still achieve the same temps, but are getting way different results as pertains to vape quality, this would make sense to me.
 
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Sonics420

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@Inhalater max temp with a full capsule gives me great results for sure.. I can get consistent clouds for the whole session with the temp all the way up..

I was just comparing to my experience before and now, something is different and it would've been GREAT if things were the same and the XP could produce like the 'first or 2nd quarter' ones did.. Hitting my herbs on 2-6 for 1 whole session and coming back to "kill it" on 8 for another whole session was a huge plus for me with the XP.

Inhalater do you feel the changes(if any) affected the performance of the device?? I can't really explain it but if you have used the Q2 and Q3 you really can tell a major difference between them. I have milked my pieces before using 4-6 on the dial. Now it has to be turned up all the way to 8 just to achieve the same results.

My friend owns a stormtrooper XP, I believe he got it in March or April, and even he said my XP doesn't hit as "hard" as his does.. I feel like his vape compared to mine gave me richer, thicker hits at 4-6.. Just as @Old School experienced.
 

saihtam13

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Hello guys.... I want to provide positive feedback regarding the brand new unit I received this week.

First of all, sorry for my english, I'm french....
I red about the fuss going on with the Q3-XP. It worried me, but now, I just want to thanks inhalater guys : you changed my life. I wish I could have such a device 20 years ago !

I had two sessions so far, and both were great. My XP perfectly fullfill its purpose : providing a direct access to plants medicinal properties without hurting my lungs. On both sides I am very happy : I enjoyed two nice evenings, and had two nice wake-ups (I am a running addict, the lung issue is a major concern for me).

I dont think people should be worried about the "cloud" issue. I had good vapor taste without seeing "thick clouds" of vape ... and the vapes proved to be very efficient.

Now regarding temperature setting. In my opinion, a 5-6 setting is very nice. Above 6, the taste starts to feel like "too hot and burned", which in my opinion confirms @Inhalater statements : the new temperature scale enables finer tuning at low temperature.

I have a question : how long should a session last ?
And for @Inhalater : I am curious about the automatic setting : how does it work ? It appeared to me that it is equivalent to a 5 setting, am I right ?

Again; many thanks for this design, nicely done, guys !
 

Inhalater

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Thanks for the great comments saihtam13. Session is set to last 9 minutes approx. Yes, auto gives temperature around 5-6. What is the difference at wake up of using an Inhalater vs regular consumption method?

@Sonics420 Only difference is the temperature range and control. There are no changes to the way conduction and convection interact. If you could provide images of what herbs look like after a session; this would give a great factual indication of extraction.
 

TransHumanC

Inhalater shill account
You can run a capsule 2-3 session gradually rising temperature from one session to the other. Taste gets kinda stale... but sometimes when short of medicine it's great :-0
 
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hiphiphooray

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So since the temp control is the only difference, could it just be that setting six on Q3 isnt the exact same temp as on Q2. Maybe try going slightly up and down on each unit to see if its just a different temperature producing different vapors.

And to me, whispy vapor means either too fast of a draw, or low temperatures. Since nothing changed, I'm guessing that setting three on Q2 was just a sweet spot that is harder to find on Q3.

@Inhalater , Sorry to bring this up, but whats the status on shipments? We were told last week they would ship to PlanetVape, then when that didnt happen it was this week. Its almost friday now and I'm just looking for a little encouragement. :/
 
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All set to ship. We May be shipping tomorrow. We may do it on monday and run extra testing on first significant batch of Q3. Next week, significant number of units are coming out. Will finish most of replacement. Will send some units to distributor in Florida who has been very patient with all this process. Nest up: units for UK, Australia, France and more units for our distributors in Canada
 

hiphiphooray

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Thanks for the status update. Sounds good to me. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now ;)
 
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ptactics

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Been following this thread and read almost every page! I'm pretty much sold, but have a couple of questions.

This one is directed at Inhalater: Firstly, will the new gen of XP be available through the UK supplier 'Vaporlot' If so, do you have a specific date? I was about to order, but I will hold off if they don't have the new versions in yet.

I'm correct in assuming I need to ask for the models with serial numbers above #1281?

My next question is directed at everyone really:

How is the smell compared to the Pax? I've read that the Pax produces a pretty strong odour. Just wondering if the XP is any better.

I am still debating between the Pax and the XP, but so far I'm swayed towards the XP. Seems like they both have lots of pros and cons. Which is the nature of these kind of products I guess.

Thanks in advance!
 

Sonics420

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The Pax does smell a lot more, when that oven is heating up you get the lovely lovely fragrance of whatever herbs you are using(since its cooking in the oven).. strong..I learned my lesson @ a blackjack table :rofl:

Back to the XP.. So I've finally got my method down.. I can get good vapor(not clouds) on 5.5/6, I just have to let the XP sit for a little bit after the light is done blinking and the capsule HAS to be stuffed.. Its been working fine for me with slow draws or very fast hard draws.. Yes the taste/flavor is excellent from 5-7.

Good news, I can now do a session on 5-7 and then another session on max temp.. so that is 20 minutes of vaping on one load, very efficient and I am happy with the results.

The session on 5-7 will get the herbs very golden/bronze looking, and then once you finish it on max temp it comes out black like coffee grind (what i am looking for).
 

ptactics

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The Pax does smell a lot more, when that oven is heating up you get the lovely lovely fragrance of whatever herbs you are using(since its cooking in the oven).. strong..I learned my lesson @ a blackjack table :rofl:

Haha, thanks for the reply. Just wondering - Do you get any funny looks when using the XP in public? That's the one thing I love about the Pax. It's very stealth and just looks like an iPod.

I'll try to stop mentioning the P word round here, but it's hard when they're so similarly matched in features.

Anything else you have to say about the XP to sway me? Seems like you've had a lot of use with it, so any input would be really appreciated.
 

Sonics420

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No funny looks, it looks like a big e-cig.. Which this server told me when she saw me hitting it in the restaurant.. she came up like "hey that's a big e-cig, but mines bigger!"

I don't think it looks phallic at all if that's what you are concerned about..

Both are very stealth honestly, one advantage the XP has over the Pax that I like the most is the fact that you dont have to stir at all.

Its your decision.. I like both vapes equally at this moment.. I do like the Pax a bit more because of the 10 year warranty. :)
 

ptactics

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No funny looks, it looks like a big e-cig.. Which this server told me when she saw me hitting it in the restaurant.. she came up like "hey that's a big e-cig, but mines bigger!"

I don't think it looks phallic at all if that's what you are concerned about..

Its your decision.. I like both vapes equally at this moment.. I do like the Pax a bit more because of the 10 year warranty. :)

HA, definitely wasn't referring to it looking phallic. Just meant funny looks, as in people noticing you're smoking a vape.

Okay, well cheers for the input. Guess I'll have to mull it over a bit more.
 
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HerbalHealing

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Hi all,

I'm on week 3, going strong, and totally loving this unit.

I can still say this is definitely the BEST inhalater model I've had now. Through experimentation I've finally learned to find the same sweet spots on the dial I was accustomed to on my previous versions. ie. my old 5 is the new 6.5, and I never need 8+.

I do find the tuning is finer at the lower ends on the Q3, but still high enough that I don't ever need it at max. Something I noticed, I was not getting as dense vapor with a certain material, but after a few days this same material produced denser vapor at the same temp. I am assuming the increased dryness after a few days also increased the vapor density? It seems like it, but will have to do more testing and hope for feedback from others. (boy do I love testing).

Also, the grind does make a difference. Very fine gets fully extracted much faster I find (and denser), so I try to grind VERY fine, and let it dry as much as possible. When I get a new batch and have not let the grinded material dry enough, it takes much longer to finish it. Yes, I sometimes get bits in my mouth, but it's worth it. I now leave some resin in the longer tubes I use, which the bits stick to, so works better than a totally clean tube.

Another factor I think influences density, which is how much is loaded in the capsule. When I got my first unit years ago, I used to cram it as full as possible. It would last 3+ sessions, but not as dense. Now I find that if I leave some room (quarter, third), the density is better and draw is easier too. I think leaving some room in the capsule makes a difference, and I usually prefer to finish my load in one session so now prefer to do 2 back to back sessions of new half loads, rather than 2 sessions of the same full load. Just a preference for me, but think it does make a significant difference.....try it out and share your experience pls.

Oh, and I've gone as deep as 13 sessions on a charge now and still had power left.

I wanted to mention, my friend has a Pax and he spends about 30min a week on maintenance and looks like dirty and sticky work, and it does smell a lot more. With the XP, once you put the lid on, very little odour escapes, even when left loaded. I used the new capsule for a week, then dropped into ISO overnight and it was 99% brand new. I figure I spend about 120 seconds per week on maintenance, and if I need to change the screen once every 3 months, that might be an extra minute.

On the topic of screens....I try to use the unit upside down as much as possible. This prevents/minimizes the material from contacting the chamber's screen, keeping it cleaner much longer. A couple years ago, I was changing screens monthly, but now don't even need to change them after 3 months, but I just do for the sake of pampering my XP :)

I believe vaporizers.ca still has stock of silver & red units if anyone's interested.
 

hiphiphooray

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I have used both pax and inhalater, but own neither (my xp is on the way though). From my experience, the xp is better than the pax in every regard except the warranty. For me my biggest differences between the two are:
1. No stirring with the XP
2. Less odor with the XP
3. Longer battery with the XP
4. Better Flavor with the XP (Because you can fine tune temp more. I'm really biased here, but I always felt like the pax had 3 settings, no vapor, weak vapor and burn. I never liked the temp control on the pax)

Some say the PAX is prettier and more stealthy based on looks. When I recently was talking about the inhalater in a smoke shop the owner said, "Oh is that the unit that looks like a dildo?" So yeah, I guess inhalater looks are less, but it'd be sad if you chose the worse performance of the pax just based on better looks.

@HerbalHealing, thats great news man. I had a feeling the density of vapor issue was just a matter of fine tuning. I wouldn't recommend testing the number of sessions per charge. Although the information is nice to have, running your XP battery down to zero is bad for its life. Best battery life will occur if you keep the battery between 80% and 100%. But I'm sure there will be times when I run it till it dies (i mean it is a portable afterall) and I'll be sure to record the number of cycles then.
 
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