I think I'm done with oils/waxes/shatter etc.

[Chill Dude]

Well, @ataxian , you also should be looking at additives, strains, etc.



As far as not killing yourself with dabbing - when I first started dabbing, I did end up with nausea, and whirling bedroom syndrome. Secret is to just hit the briefest dab, then back off for at least an hour. Think of the amount of oil that will fit on the head of a pin. Start there. DO NOT just drop a lump of wax, for instance, on your nail. Watch your glass. the MOMENT you see vapor "bloom", pull the dabber away. clear it, and wait. It will not take long for your tolerance for concentrates to improve,

I kinda like that whirling bedroom syndrome you speak of ( I call it intensely medicated); as long as it's close to bedtime... My head melts into the pillow and it's out goes the lights. In the daytime? Not so much....

I don't think Ataxian has a low tolerance for concentrates LOL...That dude can dab with the best!!!

 

[havealight101]

can u post a link to the video? i dont frequent the Sub thread. TIA!

He's dabbin' bubble the whole show, and even gives some decent close ups of how melty it really is.
edit; wrong video, here it is.

 

[2clicker]

He's dabbin' bubble the whole show, and even gives some decent close ups of how melty it really is.
edit; wrong video, here it is.

thanks hal! looks like the sound has been disabled though... copyright issues?

 

[havealight101]

thanks hal! looks like the sound has been disabled though... copyright issues?

Yeah, I put the wrong vid, 2nd one should work, and that's the good one.

 

[ataxian]

I don't think Ataxian has a low tolerance for concentrates LOL...That dude can dab with the best!!!

Tolerance?
R "U" kidding me?
Tolerance?


The "PEANUT GALLERY" accused me of being reckless! Well they were right! So I bought myself something to make SHATTER safety. I haven't unwrapped it properly yet! However when I return to the country I have very pure clean powerful medicine safety!

 

[mestizo]

Yeah, I put the wrong vid, 2nd one should work, and that's the good one.

I just want to say that he was wrong about the different grades of titanium, grades 1-4 are all CP (commercially pure) and they all have the same elements in it, at different ratios of course.
On the same subject, I haven't seen anybody complaining about health or flavor issues dabbing from the Stainless Steel Apollo, or any of the other Sublimator configurations made of SS.

 

[healingcreek]

I have spinal cord disease/damage and an autoimmune disorder and usually have organic good quality meds, but seriousness of symptoms means I need what I can get. I really get concerned about the various waxes, oils, butters etc because I really don't know what solvent was used, how well it was removed, even with trusted dispensaries. (Is the difference in viscosity 0f above products due to presence/concentration of solvents?) There have been times when I felt gross and it was clear it was not mother nature. I would be very appreciative of some guidance on this since it seems I will always need a variety of my meds. Thank you. Newish here so hope not too long a post!

 

[Snake Plissken]

I have spinal cord disease/damage and an autoimmune disorder and usually have organic good quality meds, but seriousness of symptoms means I need what I can get. I really get concerned about the various waxes, oils, butters etc because I really don't know what solvent was used, how well it was removed, even with trusted dispensaries. (Is the difference in viscosity 0f above products due to presence/concentration of solvents?) There have been times when I felt gross and it was clear it was not mother nature. I would be very appreciative of some guidance on this since it seems I will always need a variety of my meds. Thank you. Newish here so hope not too long a post!

I think viscosity of the extract says a lot about the concentration of solvents (or whatever was used) left in the mix. Pure kief is pretty dry. There will always be a little stickiness, but most good quality waxes/crumbles/shatters should be able to be handled pretty easily w/o leaving any real residue on your fingers. Even decently purged oil has a mostly honey/glassy consistency.

 

[healingcreek]

I think viscosity of the extract says a lot about the concentration of solvents (or whatever was used) left in the mix. Pure kief is pretty dry. There will always be a little stickiness, but most good quality waxes/crumbles/shatters should be able to be handled pretty easily w/o leaving any real residue on your fingers. Even decently purged oil has a mostly honey/glassy consistency.

Thank you for your feedback. I concur and PC concentrates I trust ice concentrates and keif the most. Co2 seems a good bet too. It creates amazing essential oils true to nature.

 

[havealight101]

I think viscosity of the extract says a lot about the concentration of solvents (or whatever was used) left in the mix. Pure kief is pretty dry. There will always be a little stickiness, but most good quality waxes/crumbles/shatters should be able to be handled pretty easily w/o leaving any real residue on your fingers. Even decently purged oil has a mostly honey/glassy consistency.

I like your thinking, but one thing the consistency factor doesn't take in to account is decarbed material, or canibinoids being decarbed in the purging process. From what I know, heavily decarbed material is going to be more viscous than normal material being extracted. Just my thoughts on why viscosity shouldn't be an end all be all factor, I could be wrong though.
@healingcreek
The whole solvent discussion is sort of a touchy one. My head has a battle going on, and at the moment ice/water is winning. I guess all I can do is research alot and try to make an educated decision on it.
It's a tough to choose how to medicate, even with bubble you have to worry about clean water/equipment/mold... I think your right that sift is definitely the most natural way, but I think other processes should not be passed by or looked down on, as long as they are done properly.
Any I'm rambling, best of luck to ya, bedtime for me
Edit: just noticed that was your first post. ..
Welcome to FC! It's a great community, all walks of life are here, some maybe with with similar medical needs as you. Stick around if ya like

 

[darkrom]

I now am stuck with 2 grams of CO2 oil that sucks!
Plus I have a 0.75 gram of Bubble Hash I hate.

I wish I had those problems. I've had my medical card for over a year now, one of the first patients in my state in fact. Still am yet to be able to find CO2 oil, and I REALLY want to.

Same with bubble hash. I haven't seen that here once in the last couple of years, not once as a medical patient.

 

[Madcap79]

Im with ya @darkrom. I have no access to concentrates. I have a hard time getting flowers. I hate the midwest for that reason, haha. Woe is me.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I like your thinking, but one thing the consistency factor doesn't take in to account is decarbed material, or canibinoids being decarbed in the purging process. From what I know, heavily decarbed material is going to be more viscous than normal material being extracted. Just my thoughts on why viscosity shouldn't be an end all be all factor, I could be wrong though.
@healingcreek
The whole solvent discussion is sort of a touchy one. My head has a battle going on, and at the moment ice/water is winning. I guess all I can do is research alot and try to make an educated decision on it.
It's a tough to choose how to medicate, even with bubble you have to worry about clean water/equipment/mold... I think your right that sift is definitely the most natural way, but I think other processes should not be passed by or looked down on, as long as they are done properly.
Any I'm rambling, best of luck to ya, bedtime for me
Edit: just noticed that was your first post. ..
Welcome to FC! It's a great community, all walks of life are here, some maybe with with similar medical needs as you. Stick around if ya like

This keeps coming up, but I really have no idea why someone would decarb their product unless they plan on eating it (edit: for food that doesn't cook anyway or topicals) - in which case, there are much easier ways to going about making medibles. I recently posted some pics in the dab stash thread that show totally clear, glassy shatter (w/o a vacuum) where the only heat applied was about 30 - 45 min of a double-boil type action w/ the heat in the bottom pan never passing 175 degrees.

I probably ran 12-20 bubble bag runs before I gave away my bags. Only achieved full melt maybe 4 times and the return was always horrible.

 

[havealight101]

This keeps coming up, but I really have no idea why someone would decarb their product unless they plan on eating it (edit: for food that doesn't cook anyway or topicals) - in which case, there are much easier ways to going about making medibles. I recently posted some pics in the dab stash thread that show totally clear, glassy shatter (w/o a vacuum) where the only heat applied was about 30 - 45 min of a double-boil type action w/ the heat in the bottom pan never passing 175 degrees.

I probably ran 12-20 bubble bag runs before I gave away my bags. Only achieved full melt maybe 4 times and the return was always horrible.

I understand why it seems odd, but some people will actually bake some of the thc off before extraction. This is probably unheard of in MMJ states, but for others that have no access to high cbd strains, it can be the only way to get the canibinoid profile needed to medicate properly.
All I was getting at is viscosity should not be the main determining factor of what meds are safe and clean.
With the 45 minute at 175 degrees purge, I would seriously look into a vac setup. I've seen that exact purge process, and I would not be certain that it is fully purged. Clarity does not show if you have butane left or not, butane is pretty clear itself.
175 degrees is also pretty hot, and is pushing the line of turning into wax/buttah, and some precious terpines get lost as the heat goes up.
I'm not trying to pick your system apart, just trying to share knowledge from experience.
About bubble, fesh suga trim is definitely the best and most cost effective way to produce it. I agree about the yield, it sucks, but some fresh full melt through a good convection vape, for me at least, blows bho out of the water from a flavor standpoint.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I understand why it seems odd, but some people will actually bake some of the thc off before extraction. This is probably unheard of in MMJ states, but for others that have no access to high cbd strains, it can be the only way to get the canibinoid profile needed to medicate properly.
All I was getting at is viscosity should not be the main determining factor of what meds are safe and clean.
With the 45 minute at 175 degrees purge, I would seriously look into a vac setup. I've seen that exact purge process, and I would not be certain that it is fully purged. Clarity does not show if you have butane left or not, butane is pretty clear itself.
175 degrees is also pretty hot, and is pushing the line of turning into wax/buttah, and some precious terpines get lost as the heat goes up.
I'm not trying to pick your system apart, just trying to share knowledge from experience.
About bubble, fesh suga trim is definitely the best and most cost effective way to produce it. I agree about the yield, it sucks, but some fresh full melt through a good convection vape, for me at least, blows bho out of the water from a flavor standpoint.

Yeah, it is pretty unheard of around here.

I am aware my setup is not perfect, but it is a way to make shatter w/o a vac. While the h2o was 175 degrees, the upper pyrex sat at about 160 degrees. At these temps thicker pours would = butter, thinner pours = shatter. At the point the shatter can be easily handled w/ no real stickiness, taste great, maintains stability over time, leaves no residue when vaped and is very effective - it is purged well enough for me. I have seen vac runs that look more incomplete, still sticky/sappy. When the finished product can easily snap into many smaller, dry pieces like safety glass/obsidian - I am pretty convinced it's as clean as many vac runs that don't have that capability.

Clarity doesn't refer to the presence of butane, it refers to the product not being overheated to achieve purge.

After many bubble bag runs, I am pretty inconvincible. Others have had better success than me and it might be a more viable option for them. Way too inconsistent on my end.

 

[deadheadbill]

Clarity doesn't refer to the presence of butane, it refers to the product not being overheated to achieve purge.
.

Learn something new every day.

My tek is remarkable similar to yours and I use no vac purge either. My wax comes out great, but I never knew why the same product would be clearish one time and more amber the next. Usually when I was in a hurry and turned up the heat.

 

[ataxian]

I wish I had those problems. I've had my medical card for over a year now, one of the first patients in my state in fact. Still am yet to be able to find CO2 oil, and I REALLY want to.

Same with bubble hash. I haven't seen that here once in the last couple of years, not once as a medical patient.

I can relate!

My home made BHO SHATTER is way better than CO2 oil or PURE GOLD.
We are better off making concentrates ourselves even if we are following The letter of the law!

 

[ichibaneye]

I'm sort of there with you, man. When I have access to top shelf flowers, I have no desire for concentrates at all. It's a weird situation, though. I stopped vaping, because it began to eat up to much time. Think my tolerance got to high, or w/e, but if I want to get high with a vape, it takes me 30-45 minutes and that's by myself...could be there for hours with more people. So I got back to smoking, because it was a lot faster. Now...I don't like dabs cuz it's to fast! I can't just take one hit and be done. I'll sit there and do four or five dabs, just cuz I feel like i have to take four or five hits before I'm finished. So, yea...lately, I just smoke, really really good, clean flowers. Hope saying that doesn't get me banned...I can still contribute.

You should Vaporize your flowers and not SMOKE them. You receive more benefits from vaporizing flowers like more of the THC & other compounds are activated and utilized in the plant thus more bang for your draw/buck/high/medicine and cleaner for the two tissue bags hanging in your thoracic cavity too!!!

After vaporizing take those left overs and make some butter for cooking, in the end you get the best of both worlds when it is all said and done.

 

[2clicker]

You should Vaporize your flowers and not SMOKE them. You receive more benefits from vaporizing flowers like more of the THC & other compounds are activated and utilized in the plant thus more bang for your draw/buck/high/medicine and cleaner for the two tissue bags hanging in your thoracic cavity too!!!

After vaporizing take those left overs and make some butter for cooking, in the end you get the best of both worlds when it is all said and done.

agreed. when you combust flowers you DESTROY some of the goods before it even gets to your lungs. so saying smoking is faster than vaping is innacurate. just vape at high temps to get the full spectrum one gets from smoking in the same amount of time... but with less material!

regarding the topic of this thread. vaping concentrates is the same as vaping flowers minus the plant material. if dabbing is too much at once then just take a 1/2 a dab. i mean if you could measure the amount of "oil" that is equal to the bowl of your favorite vape... then you could just dab that much and be as medicated as if you just vaped the entire bowl. its the same. you are getting the same amount of actives only faster. in short if concentrates seem like "too much" then try dabbing smaller/less amounts. in the end its all the same shit.

 

[farscaper]

agreed. when you combust flowers you DESTROY some of the goods before it even gets to your lungs. so saying smoking is faster than vaping is innacurate. just vape at high temps to get the full spectrum one gets from smoking in the same amount of time... but with less material!

regarding the topic of this thread. vaping concentrates is the same as vaping flowers minus the plant material. if dabbing is too much at once then just take a 1/2 a dab. i mean if you could measure the amount of "oil" that is equal to the bowl of your favorite vape... then you could just dab that much and be as medicated as if you just vaped the entire bowl. its the same. you are getting the same amount of actives only faster. in short if concentrates seem like "too much" then try dabbing smaller/less amounts. in the end its all the same shit.

some people should not dab. I find dabbing to be a little to intense for low volume users. concentrates are great for heavy users as it has less contaminants... but I think some people should avoid dabbing and stick with convection vaporization because the effects will be less steeply intense.

dabs = fast intense relief followed by a faster cycling of needs where as a good vape of some concentrates always effects me less intensely but for a greater duration of time.

 

[2clicker]

some people should not dab. I find dabbing to be a little to intense for low volume users. concentrates are great for heavy users as it has less contaminants... but I think some people should avoid dabbing and stick with convection vaporization because the effects will be less steeply intense.

dabs = fast intense relief followed by a faster cycling of needs where as a good vape of some concentrates always effects me less intensely but for a greater duration of time.

agreed, but what if you cut your dab down to a 1/4 of the size? for users who think dabbing is too intense. surely it would be less intense no...?

 

[farscaper]

agreed, but what if you cut your dab down to a 1/4 of the size? for users who think dabbing is too intense. surely it would be less intense no...?

no doubt! people see that instagram glob sloping dabbing from people who have oil to blow.

the key thing is that no two people share the exact same tolerances so chose to consume responsibly and you can never go wrong.

1 big glob with a huge coughing fit and a gigantic cloud of oilvapor hanging in the room or 4 to 6 small "dabs" no cough no giant cloud... just high as shit and feeling fine.

although I like a little exhale... for tactile enjoyment lol...

 

[2clicker]

no doubt! people see that instagram glob sloping dabbing from people who have oil to blow.

the key thing is that no two people share the exact same tolerances so chose to consume responsibly and you can never go wrong.

1 big glob with a huge coughing fit and a gigantic cloud of oilvapor hanging in the room or 4 to 6 small "dabs" no cough no giant cloud... just high as shit and feeling fine.

although I like a little exhale... for tactile enjoyment lol...

eye to eye bruh

for those looking into concentrates, but dont wanna dab i would suggest cutting the oil with ejmix. then you can really get your ratio down exactly where you want it.

its crazy but i havent vaped flowers in weeks. concentrates are just sooooo much more convenient.

 

[farscaper]

eye to eye bruh

for those looking into concentrates, but dont wanna dab i would suggest cutting the oil with ejmix. then you can really get your ratio down exactly where you want it.

its crazy but i havent vaped flowers in weeks. concentrates are just sooooo much more convenient.

I found even just using an atomizer instead of a nail to be a hugh help. ive been using concentrates much more "efficiently" which has in turn cut back on the quantity I go through in a week.

I have also noticed my glass is cleaner using an atomizer instead of a nail.

as In I can still go through a gram but my rig has remained relatively buildup free....

just had a bowl of flowers from the lotus.... meh... ill keep my concentrates.

 

[2clicker]

I found even just using an atomizer instead of a nail to be a hugh help. ive been using concentrates much more "efficiently" which has in turn cut back on the quantity I go through in a week.

I have also noticed my glass is cleaner using an atomizer instead of a nail.

as In I can still go through a gram but my rig has remained relatively buildup free....

just had a bowl of flowers from the lotus.... meh... ill keep my concentrates.

i have never owned a nail although i have been known to use one every once in a while. but yes "e-dabbing" is more efficient w/out question.

as for flowers i still love them and i havent really noticed too much of a dif from a potency aspect. as far as tolerance going up. i still get pretty medicated from a solo bowl. well maybe i need to take a few more pulls now, but nothing crazy.

but yeah the concentrate thing is convenient and potent. and fun to boot if your into extracting. its hard to reach for my solo when a few grams of some really nice shatter is in arms reach. my sessions usually need to be short anyway so its perfect.