How to: Low Temp Dabs On Quartz Nails -OR- "Whats Your Style?"

[DieHard]

What about using one if those little jelly jars you get with hotel room service. I have several of those. I wonder if that would work. The flower bowl that came with my do20 would work well also.

 

[farscaper]

What about using one if those little jelly jars you get with hotel room service. I have several of those. I wonder if that would work. The flower bowl that came with my do20 would work well also.

a shot glass might work too

 

[FlyingLow]

great ideas!

 

[Caligula]

Remember you need to restrict and not stop airflow

 

[farscaper]

Remember you need to restrict and not stop airflow

the shot glass would only be for castle style... the cup is easy to cover with pretty much anything as is a banger for the most part...

I would call some of these a "last resort!"

 

[CrazyDiamond]

So if there is a little tiny part of the slits showing when capped, that would be perfect then?
Referencing this...

 

[farscaper]

So if there is a little tiny part of the slits showing when capped, that would be perfect then?
Referencing this...

do you have that exact one?

if you do...

http://dabfarm.bigcartel.com/product/c2-glass-carb-cap-dabber-combo

those are made to match...

like I mentioned earlier all quartz is diffrent... I have a "castle quartz" an I have a hunch the bowl diameter and depth is what makes this style difficult to make recommendations on. where as the cup and bangers all pretty much react the same way and have the same kinda airflow. bangers and cups are more asymbled where as daisy castles are literally "blown"

@CrazyDiamond where did you pick yours up.... wait did I already ask that?

edit: dude I didnt even answer your question... no slits showing on the outside would cool the underside of the puddle cup and incomplete vape.

sorry im half spaced and working on a "spaced" painting lol

 

[CrazyDiamond]

Ooooo a space painting you say???
Yes it is that exact one (but I don't remember mine having the logo).
Thanks for the link....grrrr $40 though...and everything I have just barely doesn't cover the slits

edit: ok I'm an idiot (not about the carb cap) but about how I heated the C2 quartz nail. I was heating it like my Ti nail...saw some vids on the tube from C2 showing that you heat just the center where you drop the dab

 

[Caligula]

@farscaper having researched this in slow motion video, I find that carb capping makes the oil thin and spread out over a large portion of the available surface area on the nail. While heat retention/reflection and airflow restriction all play a part in assisting vaporization (re: carb capping), I believe that it is this aspect which matters most. It's because of this thinning/spreading that you get a more complete vape at lower temps where puddling would normally occur.

Not sure as to the physics behind this is though. I'm assuming it has something to do with oils tendency to run away from heat.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

I would say yes since nature always tries to find balance/equilibrium.

 

[farscaper]

Ooooo a space painting you say???
Yes it is that exact one (but I don't remember mine having the logo).
Thanks for the link....grrrr $40 though...and everything I have just barely doesn't cover the slits

edit: ok I'm an idiot (not about the carb cap) but about how I heated the C2 quartz nail. I was heating it like my Ti nail...saw some vids on the tube from C2 showing that you heat just the center where you drop the dab

that is how I heat mine. right on top. no side action at all... the oil spreads to the fins and underside of the cup so the cup being throughly heated is key for a bigger dab on them... heating from the side may not always heat the cup unless you overtorch and wait for it to cool... which I think is where some have trouble catching the dab spot. I just heat it til the fins glow red a bit and drop torch pick up dabber dab cap enjoy.

whats the exact diameter of your daisy nail?

@Caligula ime I totally agree.... the banger ime spreads all over the cup.... so if it wasnt all heated you lose some. and the tube seems to collect claim like crazy! itll run down back into the cup when reheating... it seems a mess at times.... today ive been using the quartz castle, quartz banger and quartz cup all 14mm.

I still think its time for a enail lol.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

This is what was listed on the page..
Size: 1.25" (tall) x 1.00" (wide)
I'm not at home right now so I can't measure it directly.

 

[Caligula]

Yeah I've come to the conclusion that enails are where it's at.

 

[DieHard]

I'm waiting patiently for my FLEXO enail beta-test unit from W9. Ok not so patiently.
What about the VB2?

 

[Caligula]

I'm waiting patiently for my FLEXO enail beta-test unit from W9. Ok not so patiently.
What about the VB2?

VB2 is sweet... And $700. Granted that's what some pay for an enail and a glass rig... but still.

 

[DieHard]

VB2 is sweet... And $700. Granted that's what some pay for an enail and a glass rig... but still.

Too true. More than I care to drop on one item right now. There is a poll on Massdrop with the VB2, I voted. It will be interesting to see how much it is on Massdrop if it ever makes it to a drop.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

Update!! The first time I looked through all my accessories I didn't find anything that would work with my C2 quartz daisy nail. Then I remembered my LSV and and the water pipe adapters that I bought for it. Both the 14mm and 18mm WPA work, but I only tried the 14mm since it has a smaller hole (was thinking what @Caligula said about restricting the airflow not stopping it) and heating it properly as @farscaper said; both worked perfectly!

 

[CrazyDiamond]

And a pic to show what I mean by using the LSV WPA on the Custom Creations C2 Quartz Daisy nail.

Sorry, I should have moved the other glass out of the way...will get another pic tonight...maybe video.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

A few more...

 

[Caligula]

Love the fume on that rig.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

It really come out with bright light on it

 

[Caligula]

Well, after talking to @mvapes I decided that even 700°F was too hot for manually heated quartz. It can still burn your oil and foul the nail. I also discovered how critical a PROPER carb-cap is.

Ill write things up in more detail when I'm not so pilted, but here is a video highlighting both of these "advances" in my personal technique.

The dab hits the nail at ~575°F if you're keeping score... and check out what a huge difference that carb cap makes!

Also IDK if you can tell, but Im pulling like a mofo after a while in order to further distribute the oil across the nail's surface. You can probably hear the whistle from the carb hole in the cap, lol. In retrospect I think i pulled a bit too hard. There should be a balance between oil distribution and premature cooling of the nail.

Also special thanks to @masaki for hooking it up with that sweet Ti dabber and cap.

I should also note that this temp works with my CLEAN (read, it was new when i started) nail. Ive never dabbed over 600°F on this, and Ive hit it at least 2 dozen times... and look how clean it is still! My last nail was completely opaque by this point in its life.

Also, that yellow residue you see burns off completely, so its back to brand new looking every time. In any case, I found you need to increase the temp by 50-100° if you have that black insulating residue already built up on your nail.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

Hehe, you drop the carb cap and boom, super thick milk

 

[farscaper]

I think I use any new nail at least 2 dozen times the first day


I totally agree though a proper cap is essential to getting the best dab.

 

[CrazyDiamond]

Yup, you guys have schooled me in using caps with domeless nails...gracias.