Homemade Vaporizers

[poonman]

Yes that is cool ,
Nice Hobby ,

Re : Any suggestions
1. Easier connect of battery to heat . ( unlike the mflb way; squeezing)
2. Maybe an on/off disconnect of the battery so you don't char the herbs .
3. Yes , a PA with temp control settings .

Looking forward to seeing the 3.0
More pics and vids .

 

[Dberm]

From what I have read copper coated steel wire is used instead of solid copper wire because it has a low electrical resistance but since the core is steel it will not heat up as quickly as solid copper will.

Basically we are looking to localize the heat produced to just the screen. If the solid copper wire is used you risk the wire itself heating up instead of the screen, which will drop the temps on the screen as well as risk heating up the batteries to a dangerous point.

 

[Dberm]

Just found a great source for the copper coated wire!

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/HANSON-Wire-3YYP7?Pid=search

Comes in 10" rods of 22g wire. 27 bucks for 100 of em... Should be set for a while now!

 

[Dberm]

Alright so I'm too eager to wait for the wire to get here and so I found some alternatives.

One solution was to take copper tubing and put a solid steel rod inside. Can anyone comment on whether the steel would still act as add thermal resistance to the copper tubing?

Another thing I found was 17 gauge copper clad steel that is used for grounding outdoor antennas. Found this at radio shack and it was $11 for 25 feet, I'm not sure if it can handle the power that is used by the mflb because it's a good bit thinner than the bars the lb uses.

I'm going to try and use both on protos and see what happens.

 

[2clicker]

within an hour of usage the pyrex tube shattered

i'm guessing your heater expanded and that shattered the borosilicate

normally i would agree, but the boro tube wasnt touching the heater at all when this happened. there was about 1/8" of space around the heater... between the heater and boro tube. the heater had plenty of space to expand w/out coming into contact with the boro.

my guess is that the tubing was too thin or that it was some cheap boro.

 

[2clicker]

hey 2clicker! another question about the 556 lol. is the temperature control noticeably better then the old 456 and dimmer switch setup you had before? also do you know if the 556 uses an on/off type control or what? im just curious

oh and is the diameter of the heating element on the 556 closer to 1/8th or 1/4? i might jut get a 556 and put a SS sheath on it, with a washer base.. if the 556 has better temp control then a 70 watt cartridge heater with dimmer switch, i might be inclined to go hakko.

the 556 and 456 temp control work about the same. the 556 is better all around because of its size and functionality.

the 556 heater is about half the diameter of the 456, but that doesnt seem to matter. once you get either of the heaters to their prime vaping temps they both work beautifully.

 

[Bluntcrush]

Yep, this is pretty cool!! I am getting to be more attracted to these types of set ups (sort of a low budget VXC Cloud) Achieving consistent, high heat looks like the answer for those that want to get the most (both spectrums) out of their meds.

Another neato thread!!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=188825#p188825

 

[Internaut]

Making my own Vaporizer with a paper-clip and a nine-volt battery. But seriously, I have a few ideas for a home-made rig, looking for Inspiration in various household items. A quartz bulb inside a brass tube, controlled by a rheostat(dimmer) would seem to make a nice heatsource. Or a halogen lightbulb. I guess I'm hung up on using a lightbub as a heat source, taking advantage of the fact that most light sources are easily controllable and inherently produce more heat than light. I love to take a deficiency and turn it into an advantage. I'm working on a few diagrams, I'll share them when I can, I'd love to see any that you others have come up with.

G.Graphics (the Original) / Straight stem with slide bowl.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Internaut,

......looking for Inspiration in various household items. A quartz bulb inside a brass tube, controlled by a rheostat(dimmer) would seem to make a nice heatsource. Or a halogen lightbulb.

Household item? What about:


YouTube: LOXLUX - NEW VAPBONG EXPERIENCE (3:49)


YouTube: LOXLUX - NEW VAPBONG EXPERIENCE (1:12)

 

[Internaut]

Interesting setup there, Egzoset. New to vaporizing, not that familiar with the vapbong. Did I see vapor escaping a couple of times in that video? Thanks though, now I'm thinking something like a spent brass rifle cartridge as a vaporization chamber. 7.62 x 39mm I'm thinking. Howzabout we pull the primer to provide an input air path? Hmmm, a high temp epoxy to fuse glass tubes onto brass cartridges... or high temp food grade tubing, press fit. Ok, vaping chambers any simple, effective designs?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Salutations Internaut,

......looking for Inspiration in various household items. A quartz bulb inside a brass tube, controlled by a rheostat(dimmer) would seem to make a nice heatsource. Or a halogen lightbulb.

Household item? What about:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2ivxz6c.jpg
YouTube: LOXLUX - NEW VAPBONG EXPERIENCE (3:49)

http://oi40.tinypic.com/utzdk.jpg
YouTube: LOXLUX - NEW VAPBONG EXPERIENCE (1:12)

Or the V-lamp http://www.head2headshop.com/32-the-vlamp.html

 

[Bluntcrush]

REad the whole thread- Home Made vaporizers...I thought it was vaporizers made by Ho's! Sorry y'all I couldn't resist...

 

[Internaut]

That Vlamp is very close to what my original imaginings were. Thanks I hadn't seen that one yet. Too bad it's like an easy vape, at thrice the price. OK, among my ideas were a steam iron, anyone ever vaped with steam? What about Lasers? Or those cheesy coil teacup heaters? Now, if I wanted to spend big, an interesting commercial solution might be

A Hejet heatgun with concentrator tip http://www.hejet.com
controlled by something from the BBQ Guru http://www.thebbqguru.com/categories/Build-a-BBQ-Guru-System-Here/

I call it the "BudBQ"

What do you "experts" think?

 

[Cleanfiend]

what makes us "experts"? I'm pretty sure that most of this forum are consumers, like you

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again Internaut,

New to vaporizing, not that familiar with the vapbong.

The average "experts" proudly display some hints about their vaporizer collection in the signature, usually... Like many members here i'm relatively new to vaporization myself (i'm going to celebrate the 1st anniversary of my initiation to vaporism on February 15 and i haven't been vaping all year long). As for knowing about the VapBong, don't worry as i estimate there are over 130+ other brands/models (past/present/future) and i'm still counting! No one can name them all from memory...

Did I see vapor escaping a couple of times in that video?

Yes, but i doubt that's as thick as the vapour one can get from a commercial table vaporizer.

Howzabout we pull the primer to provide an input air path?

Sorry, i'm a French-Canadian and sometimes my linguistic limitations kick in. I'm not sure what you mean but i can help you about the VapBong airpath and vaporpath if that's what you want anyway:

If you study the VapBong design it should be clear that air/vapor "purity" is only threatened by nothing else but a screen - which won't be a significant concern for most cannabis users, i believe. Personally i find the VapBong would be perfectible, in any case:



My problem with the VapBong is that air transit seems too direct for my taste. A better alternative, IMHO, would be to have fresh air admitted SLOWLY into its coaxial cavity so that heat builds up in a more controlled fashion before the herb is reached.

Considering halogen lamp quartz-glass casing is compatible with the goal to provide clean hot air already, euh... My opinion is that this particular VapBong concept can be ignored completely. I just wished you to see how the lamp was transformed using a simple removable assembly (view the whole video). For more hints/ideas on halogen lamp vaporizers i'd suggest you peek into the Aromed and Venus threads, essentially.

...vaping chambers any simple, effective designs?

As far as i'm concerned i'd build around affordable ready-made vaporizer parts, for example:


(HA Crucible Glass Extension)

My advice to you is that it should be relatively easy to build an "oven" for it by using halogen lamp technology.

What about Lasers?

I recall that i saw a video which was demonstrating the use of a powerful LED in this fashion last year:

Too bad the guy had to wear googles to protect his eyes!...

Or those cheesy coil teacup heaters?

My preference definitely goes to electro-magnetic induction cooking heaters in that department:


Induction Vaporizer (based on "Curie" alloys)

I feel this is a promissing avenue which still needs to be explored further.

 

[Internaut]

Hey, I eyeballed the stove whilst looking around the house!
Anyone ever play around with an "immersion heater"?

<img src="http://130.94.182.150/immrheat.jpg">

Any idea if an aquarium heater gets hot enough to vape?
Seems like a logical "hack".

I'm a total noob, when it comes to vaporization. Anyone who has actually vaped from a commercial product, is an 'expert', compared to me.

 

[J.R.R.Tokin']

When you say immersion heater are you talking about a house hold water heater? If so I'm not sure your clear on the way an immersion heater works. It's basically a hot element that is 'immersed' in water to heat it up. I can't really see the application for a vaporizer. Unless you mean not to immerse it, then it's just a normal heating element like on an electric cooker top.

Also, above you mention steam. The main problem I can see with that is the temperature of what you inhale and also the added moisture from steam. I imagine for the bud to not become hydrated and only the THC to 'melt-off' the steam jet would have to be very high velocity and around the 170c - 200c range at least. Due to the speed that the steam would be travelling there wouldn't be enough time for the vapor to cool sufficiently enough for you not to scald your mouth! That is unless you had a very long tube that was possibly immersed in a bucket of ice water - but then your battling the vapor condensing in the tube!

Just so you know I'm not a scientist, electrician or hobby builder. But I do have common sense and I urge you to exercise it if your going to tinker with this stuff. If you are hell-bent on making yourself a home vape there are a few around on the net. There's an really easy electric light-bulb based vape I've seen made on youtube that might be a good place to start.

Wishing you luck in you endeavour, but please refrain from electrocuting, burning or maiming yourself in the process

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Anyone ever play around with an "immersion heater"?

i haven't looked at one in about 30 years, but it used to require immersion in water to keep it from melting. That is, an immersion heater MUST BE SUBMERGED IN WATER for it to work without self destructing.

A vaporizer needs to heat the herb to 385F (195C) to vaporize the THC. Steam (100C) doesn't do it.

 

[Egzoset]

Hummm...

Anyone ever play around with an "immersion heater"?

Just as Hippie Dickie pointed out you'd be most likely to shorten the product's lifespan dramatically without immersing it in water...

Seems like a logical "hack".

Here's my idea of a logical hack if you don't mind me going wild:

(Solder Pot)

The bath (on top) is meant to be loaded with solder...

This is a tool used in the electronic industry. What's peculiar about it versus cannabis vaporisation is the well known fact that eutectic Sn/Pb (63 % tin, 37 % lead) solder melts at 361 F (183 C) - similarily to water which changes state at a predictible temperature as well. Look at this phase plot:

It means that molten solder has a temperature which happens to be compatible with the application you've got in mind, though i'm not sure it would beat even a complex closed-loop temperature-regulating controller as in Hippie Dickie's Bud Toaster project.

In any case, my concern with that scenario would be the proximity of hot lead when we're trying hard to avoid health issues... Not to mention the hazard of having such a hot thing anywhere near a stoner!

Quite frankly, the more i look at vaporizers based on halogen lamps the more i find them appealing. The Oracle probably being the safest of all those...

 

[Squonk]

Check out this post, I made my own with a halogen lamp and couldn't be happier

My homemade vaporizer starting at thread #5

 

[Egzoset]

Hello Squonk!

Check out this post...

That's impressive, so much i find that's worth a full blown link with a picture:


New member here, looking for DIY advice

 

[WatTyler]

Any idea if an aquarium heater gets hot enough to vape?
Seems like a logical "hack".

That one could be an interesting idea. All glass. You could site it inside another narrow glass tube in order to draw the air over it. Not sure on the dry heat output though- but they go to hundreds of watts. However, unfortunately the deal breaker is that the glass isn't designed to run hot- I ran one dry by accident once and the glass became fragile and broke when I tried to clean off all of the burnt stuff.

 

[snappys]

Hey guys!
After some homework

I made my first "protopype"

Still no perfect but full working. Sometimes I get a bit char herbs so I need to check with more tipes of screen and rods the good news are that I'm not in a hurry.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Nice work Dude !