Holding in your hits

[CG420]

Honestly I believe if you hold in vapor and it thins out or you slowly exhale allowing more time for your lungs to absorb it then I assume if you do this often you get 200% thc off your one hit. If you blow it out shortly after like 2-3 seconds it goes to 85% waste of vapor. SO HOLD IT IN IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YA. Just don't pass out... 100% chance of doing so if you forget to breathe.

 

[Snappo]

Honestly I believe if you hold in vapor and it thins out or you slowly exhale allowing more time for your lungs to absorb it then I assume if you do this often you get 200% thc off your one hit. If you blow it out shortly after like 2-3 seconds it goes to 85% waste of vapor. SO HOLD IT IN IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YA. Just don't pass out... 100% chance of doing so if you forget to breathe.

I do what's best for my head at the time. Breath control (holding in or exhaling quickly) helps determine the effect that I want i.e., more or less. Frankly, I rarely if ever feel the need to hold in my hits, and one-size-fits-all all the time makes no sense to me.

 

[CG420]

There is no one way to vape. Just depends how quickly you want it. The more, the longer. The less, the easier to control. I usually do like 4 spoons a day from one of those norco tad measuring spoon. I find it really depends on the herb quality too. My Charlie sheen is at 20% but then again my Jupiter was cheaper and got me a lot higher. It probably also depends on the bud type. But I don't wanna go too far off the topic and say sativa is indica when vaped with fire.... lol.

 

[Jenna_Kitten]

I agree that holding it in (the longer the better) helps absorb more active ingredient.

I didn't know this was controversial - it's simple science. More contact time = more absorption.

This trick saved me a lot of $$ back when it took 2 weeks of wages to buy an ounce.

mod note: New thread created to remove derail in the Firefly thread.

I've always heard that any more than 2 seconds is a waste of time

 

[Crohnie]

Hmm...I seem to remember a study on this. Apparently, 7-11 seconds gets the maximum absorption. I need to look up the source again, but I seem to remember it was a decently performed test.

 

[Caligula]

Wasn't done with vapor, doesn't count here. Absorption of actives in smoke will be different.

 

[Crohnie]

Wasn't done with vapor, doesn't count here. Absorption of actives in smoke will be different.

You're right. It was done with smoke, not vapor. Hmmm. Excuse me while I conduct some personal experiments.

 

[Volteric]

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stretching a load over several draws as opposed to draining it all in one big cloud increases efficiency in terms of total cannabinoids absorbed by your lungs per given quantity of herb.

if I load .1g into a vape and extract it all in one massive cloud, I believe I am wasting a decent portion of active compounds. My lungs can only absorb so much in a 20 second draw. However if I take that same .1g and extract it more gradually, over say 5 or 6 draws, I believe I will absorb a greater total quantity of cannabinoids, due to the fact that I did not totally overload my lungs. hence, increased efficiency in terms of your herb consumption

it's possible that you could still absorb most of the actives in one draw if you use a tiny load, as you say. but what if you did it in 2-3 hits instead? would that result in a higher concentration of cannabinoids in your bloodstream? maybe? maybe not? I don't know... we need some science here. and it probably varies from person to person

Interesting premise. One I agree needs to be vetted scientifically.

I have read a study or two that demonstrates that holding a toke in longer does nothing in terms of Cannabinoid absorption in the lungs. In short, it sounds like there is no scientific evidence that holding a puff longer absorbs more medicine and thus gets you medicated more. Sounds like this piece of evidence might lend some insight into the question at hand: do larger faster tokes lend to more lung absorption? Or does smaller tokes over time maximize total Cannabinoid intake? If holding in a puff doesn't increase cannabinoid absorption I'm guessing there are a finite number of lung "portals" and "receptors" that vary person to person and since so there is only so much traffic that can fit through the tunnel so maybe huge rips cause nothing more than a backdraft effect that wastes medicine.

Personally I prefer slow and steady over a 5 hour period leading straight to bedtime. It seems my sedation last far longer with doing 2-3 tokes every hour versus 12 tokes in one sitting. I have zero objective evidence on this but it is how I prefer to take Cannabis.

Which leads me to ask a silly question: are being high and stoned the same thing or different? Seems from experience that the first 20-30 minutes is the high-a slight lifted feeling or in some instances higher anxiety. The backside of this is where I feel stoned or nicely sedated. Since I'm taking cannabis to ease anxiety and panic attacks (and ultimately sleep) I think I'm minimizing the high and possibility of anxiety by starting with a couple tokes. Wait 10-15 minutes. Take a couple more tokes. Wait 10-15 minutes. Take a couple more toked and viola I'm in the stoned phase where 20 hits won't cause me anxiety.

 

[Ricchini]

^What a great question, I'm certain we've all shared these same thoughts. I liken it to alcohol consumption. We get much different feelings from chugging quickly, opposed to slow sipping and maintaining that steady buzz. It's an art worth learning. If you don't want to pull a whitey, I'd hang out with you. Your opinion is totally valid, and very reasonable.

I happen to be... perhaps a greedy American. Quite frequently I'm exhaling quite large clouds, mostly for my own visual pleasure.

I have often thought, could I trick somebody, pack them a baby bowl, but smear some tasteless e-liquid onto the bottom of the screen. The result would be a much larger cloud than you would get from a little tiny baby-pack.

This brings me to my thoughts about dose. Dose, the empirical measurement of intake is always a great idea to give yourself a frame of reference to come back to.

You could completely and utterly placebo the fuck out of me. If I hit a baby-packed vape, but there was something supplemental added to cause a large visual exhale, I would convince myself that I'm feeling way more medicated.

Exhaling that fat milky cloud is wayyyyy more satisfying than seeing a little wispy puff of half-vape. I'm sure anyone on here would agree that seeing a large quantity of vapor on the exhale gives a feeling of reassurance; it's like hitting the sweet spot on a baseball bat, or a golf club; you say ahhhhhh that felt fucking great.

Anyone who owns a Volcano probably thinks the same thing. It sure is nice.... seeing milk on the first bag or two. Get to that third bag, are you as satisfied? Probably not, probably feel a little less about that 3rd bag. (unless you fill half the chamber)

Really what I want to get at is the inaccuracy of a large exhale. I do it all the time, waste plenty of medicine. Perhaps I'll try this. When I really try, I can take small sips and let it sink in. It's a much less anxious way to enjoy cannabis. If you take a newbie or someone with low-tolerance and give them a milk-drag, they will get too intoxicated too quickly, and probably panic. If you were to start slamming shots of liquor in rapid succession, you know how you'd feel.

You my friend strike me as a slow-sippin, beer drinkin, steady vape sippin individual. Why can't I be more in control of myself like you? Perhaps it's the American thing, bigger, stronger, longer, fatter tokes=better time.

That's inaccurate though. It's too aggressive and egregious.

 

[lwien]

Regarding absorption, what I find that works great for me is taking in as big of a hit as my lungs can handle, hold for 5 seconds, exhale just a little bit, re-inhale, hold for 5 seconds, exhale a little bit, re-inhale and rinse and repeat for a total of about 3 to 4 times. Really allows me to maximize every hit or at least I feel that I am.

 

[Kingly]

Slightly unrelated question, but should I store my sativa AVB and Indica AVB separately?

 

[Volteric]

^What a great question, I'm certain we've all shared these same thoughts. I liken it to alcohol consumption. We get much different feelings from chugging quickly, opposed to slow sipping and maintaining that steady buzz. It's an art worth learning. If you don't want to pull a whitey, I'd hang out with you. Your opinion is totally valid, and very reasonable.

I happen to be... perhaps a greedy American. Quite frequently I'm exhaling quite large clouds, mostly for my own visual pleasure.

I have often thought, could I trick somebody, pack them a baby bowl, but smear some tasteless e-liquid onto the bottom of the screen. The result would be a much larger cloud than you would get from a little tiny baby-pack.

This brings me to my thoughts about dose. Dose, the empirical measurement of intake is always a great idea to give yourself a frame of reference to come back to.

You could completely and utterly placebo the fuck out of me. If I hit a baby-packed vape, but there was something supplemental added to cause a large visual exhale, I would convince myself that I'm feeling way more medicated.

Exhaling that fat milky cloud is wayyyyy more satisfying than seeing a little wispy puff of half-vape. I'm sure anyone on here would agree that seeing a large quantity of vapor on the exhale gives a feeling of reassurance; it's like hitting the sweet spot on a baseball bat, or a golf club; you say ahhhhhh that felt fucking great.

Anyone who owns a Volcano probably thinks the same thing. It sure is nice.... seeing milk on the first bag or two. Get to that third bag, are you as satisfied? Probably not, probably feel a little less about that 3rd bag. (unless you fill half the chamber)

Really what I want to get at is the inaccuracy of a large exhale. I do it all the time, waste plenty of medicine. Perhaps I'll try this. When I really try, I can take small sips and let it sink in. It's a much less anxious way to enjoy cannabis. If you take a newbie or someone with low-tolerance and give them a milk-drag, they will get too intoxicated too quickly, and probably panic. If you were to start slamming shots of liquor in rapid succession, you know how you'd feel.

You my friend strike me as a slow-sippin, beer drinkin, steady vape sippin individual. Why can't I be more in control of myself like you? Perhaps it's the American thing, bigger, stronger, longer, fatter tokes=better time.

That's inaccurate though. It's too aggressive and egregious.

I'm just thinking I must have gained quite a bit of tolerance fir when you say somebody less experienced get intoxicated its hard for me to relate.

In fact that brings up a related issue: what are people really experiencing with cannabis? Do people really hallencnate? Or even slightly or barely? I've never experienced anything more than hunger, horniness, an uptick in happiness and ultimately soothing sedation and sleep. That's it. Maybe I've let the media taint my perception of what others are experiencing but I gotta know am I the norm or the exception?

@Kingly this will probably start a war but the science doesn't demonstrate that this distinction between indica and sativa matters. What matters is the THC and CBD potency. Until it can be shown that the cannabinoid profile in Indica are very different from Sativa I don't think the distiction determines the effects. The chemical compounds do and while they are phenotypic ally different it hasn't been shown if their genetic difference produce traits that cause the kind of differing effects some report.

 

[vapeape77]

Regarding absorption, what I find that works great for me is taking in as big of a hit as my lungs can handle, hold for 5 seconds, exhale just a little bit, re-inhale, hold for 5 seconds, exhale a little bit, re-inhale and rinse and repeat for a total of about 3 to 4 times. Really allows me to maximize every hit or at least I feel that I am.[/QUOTQUOTQUOTeQUOe

Hey! I love that technique! Do that with the Alfa. Take a massive hit with a bubbler, hold few seconds, let a little out then hit it again and clear the blubber of vape. Can't do that smoking!

Slightly unrelated question, but should I store my sativa AVB and Indica AVB separately?

Zero need to do that imo since you are just gonna bake with it I imagine.

 

[jdee]

it's possible that you could still absorb most of the actives in one draw if you use a tiny load, as you say. but what if you did it in 2-3 hits instead? would that result in a higher concentration of cannabinoids in your bloodstream? maybe? maybe not? I don't know... we need some science here. and it probably varies from person to person

Marijuana smoking: effects of varying puff volume and breathhold duration.

As expected, varying marijuana dose by manipulating puff volume produced linear changes in CO boost, plasma THC levels, and subjective reports. Inasmuch as puffing is the first step in smoking, and because other topographic variables (i.e., inhalation volume and duration, breathhold duration and interpuff interval) were controlled in this study, these data support the conclusion that the cumulative puff volume inhaled is a central determinant of THC exposure from marijuana cigarettes.

 

[CarolKing]

I think hallucinations is a part of Reefer Madness. It's more paranoia.

I like your technique @lwien.
I usually hold my hits about 4 seconds maybe 5. The old days everybody thought you had to hold in until you were ready to explode.

 

[His_Highness]

taking in as big of a hit as my lungs can handle, hold for 5 seconds, exhale just a little bit, re-inhale, hold for 5 seconds, exhale a little bit, re-inhale and rinse and repeat for a total of about 3 to 4 times. Really allows me to maximize every hit or at least I feel that I am.

I too am a proponent of using LIT (lwien's inhalation technique) to get lit

I have also considered the osmosis aspect of absorption in conjunction with how long it takes blood to make one complete cycle through the body. What I'm about to say is based on voodoo and bullshit with only a dash of science added......

It takes about one minute for blood to make the round trip through the body. If I include the amount of time for the initial inhale and do the LIT for the remainder of the minute.... I am shooting for one draw to be absorbed into one complete cycle of blood traversing the body.

Bullshit/voodoo theory....If osmosis (seeking equilibrium) is the basis for absorption, the blood cells would be in their most accepting state for one cycle. Rest and repeat. The premise being that continually adding some additional oxygen for the complete cycle will cause additional absorption throughout the cycle even if it is minor.

 

[Enchantre]

I too am a proponent of using LIT (lwien's inhalation technique) to get lit

I have also considered the osmosis aspect of absorption in conjunction with how long it takes blood to make one complete cycle through the body. What I'm about to say is based on voodoo and bullshit with only a dash of science added......

It takes about one minute for blood to make the round trip through the body. If I include the amount of time for the initial inhale and do the LIT for the remainder of the minute.... I am shooting for one draw to be absorbed into one complete cycle of blood traversing the body.

Bullshit/voodoo theory....If osmosis (seeking equilibrium) is the basis for absorption, the blood cells would be in their most accepting state for one cycle. Rest and repeat.

I like you. A lot.

I wish to steal this from you: "What I'm about to say is based on voodoo and bullshit with only a dash of science added..." as my permanent sig line! I'll credit you, of course, but that is FUCKING BRILLIANT!

It's also pretty much what comes out of my mouth/through my keyboard.

 

[His_Highness]

Thanks Enchantre! No credit necessary as there is more than enough voodoo and bullshit to go around

 

[smokum]

I tend to take a small hit followed by filling the balance of my comfortable lung expansion with a mix of air, then exhale to prevent a cough or unpleasant itch from starting.

This is 'my' way of achieving a satisfied inhale, and it provides 'me' with what I'm looking for in my use. Should I want to get 'more' of an effect, I'll repeat it with another load. I've always felt that if someone is constantly trying to over maximize their product (personal view) of what they have, then perhaps partaking is not an affordable option (med patients excluded of course).

 

[jeffsimp710]

Wasn't done with vapor, doesn't count here. Absorption of actives in smoke will be different.

I would think that the vapor would take less time than smoke.

 

[basement farmer]

I tend to draw long and very slow because I'm sipping through pipe type vaporizors. It's been years since I've hit a bong (and that was nasty 80's weed...combusted, of course)

My recollection was of massive amounts of smoke...more than you think would be possible to contain in your two lungs.

It was sorta like this:

And yeah I would get paranoid.

My question is: Can I expect to get bigger hits in each breath using a bong? Or does it simply cool the vapor? I really don't experience the discomfort of 'dry' vapor that others seem to do, so the cooling/ moistening thing isn't really a selling point for me. I ordered a Daisy in the hopes that it might offer larger loads since it looks high volume and offers a carburator.

 

[h3rbalist]

I thought everyone was doing the vape toke thing where you take a draw, hold for 2 seconds, then exhale a bit (1/4 lung), then re inhale, mixing with oxygen again (which really makes the different IMO) and repeating this until all vapor has dissipated.

I don't think anyone should be holding anything in. Moving it around and mixing it with oxygen does the trick.

My father is paying the price for holding in his hits. He used to do pipes/bongs/chiloms back in the 60's/70's and used to hold in smoke till it had ALL gone. He now has COPD as I direct result of this practice. I know all people are effected differently and vapor is not smoke but I need to tell you guys DON'T hold in your hits.
Its not worth it.

 

[redijedi808]

I thought everyone was doing the vape toke thing where you take a draw, hold for 2 seconds, then exhale a bit (1/4 lung), then re inhale, mixing with oxygen again (which really makes the different IMO) and repeating this until all vapor has dissipated.

I don't think anyone should be holding anything in. Moving it around and mixing it with oxygen does the trick.

My father is paying the price for holding in his hits. He used to do pipes/bongs/chiloms back in the 60's/70's and used to hold in smoke till it had ALL gone. He now has COPD as I direct result of this practice. I know all people are effected differently and vapor is not smoke but I need to tell you guys DON'T hold in your hits.
Its not worth it.

I totally agree about not holding in hits. When I had to stop for a STUPID drug test(that obviously is for just weed since the bad stuff rids of the body in like 3 days), I was messing with that spice stuff. People would tell me to ghost rip it(hold it in).

I did research and read that once the hit gets into the lungs, the lungs instantly absorb what it can in seconds.

Seems like the added affect of holding in a hit is more of a head rush then getting more medicated.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

I would think that the vapor would take less time than smoke.

With smoke, you can exhale visible clouds that have almost no thc left in them because there are other things making the smoke thick too, but with vapor whatever you exhale is wasted. Not saying that you should hold it till it is ghosted, but maybe take smaller hits..

 

[lwien]

My father is paying the price for holding in his hits. He used to do pipes/bongs/chiloms back in the 60's/70's and used to hold in smoke till it had ALL gone. He now has COPD as I direct result of this practice.

Did your dad also smoke tobacco?