Discontinued Herbstick Deluxe

[HillaryClinton]

Vape Dr. I like you just tried to cover the herb chamber and when I breath through I still get a lot of air, if I blow into the mouthpiece with the chamber covered I get a heavy stream of air coming out of the usb port.

Its unsettling.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Hmmm, agree unsettling about the airy usb for some.

Havent gotten home to open mine yet, but this mouthpiece business is pretty disheartening bc I dont want to use it with that silicone in there but I dont really have a drill or feel comfortable using one here. Dont trust my skills.

What a shame another vape is marred by a foolishly deisged mouthpiece. I also think having it be retractable is not worth the potential malfunctions, I mean its even a pretty small mouthpiece so why bother? Its starting to feel like I'm not really gonna be able to use this at all unfortunately... I guess we'll see when I'm home but given what @Vape Dr. learned about the mouthpiece my enthusiasm has waned

 

[KeroZen]

@Vape Dr. : try with the mouthpiece removed and using a straw of larger ID than the end of the metal tube and blow, or try using a straw and blow directly into the USB port. I double checked both directions and there is a communication path where air can travel, at least with my sample device.

By the way does anyone know if we are getting pre-production samples or is this vape already released? I'm asking because it's maybe not too late for the company to make modifications?

I don't want to scare the thread readers, so let it be clear: this is FC and we are nitpickers. This vape produces vapor and is most probably safe to use. Even the silicone in the mouthpiece, it might sound silly but it is probably safe and who knows they must have had a reason to put it there. Maybe to reduce airflow on purpose as to not overwhelm the heater? It's a single cell vape let's not forget that, it's bound to be a little less powerful than 2 or 3 cells ones.

Overall I see more positive points than negative ones so far. We already found a way to improve the mouthpiece even if it requires some DIY skills, and if it proves to be the way to go, then it will be pretty easy for the factory to stop including that silicone in there. If needed they will issue a revision.

Now for the air-through-the-USB issue, if I recall correctly in the Indica and Elevape threads, some people had it and some didn't, this is why I'm asking the Vape Doc' to double check, it could be just a build issue with some devices and not others.

I'm shining a light in that upper part housing where the spring-loading mechanism is and I can't see very far. The upper plastic housing seem to be cast in a single block but it has to have a hole to receive the metal tube, and there's also a slit for the metal post part of the spring-loading. One of these or both must be the culprit. If the tolerance between the metal tube and the bottom of the plastic housing is not tight...well, I think that if we find the right kind of silicone o-ring and manage to push it all the way down at the junction, we might be able to achieve a better seal.

It's possible that once in place the fix would prevent us from retracting the mouthpiece (for instance if we need to remove the spring to make room for the o-ring, or if the o-ring blocks the straw part of the mouthpiece and prevents it going all the way down) but at least to me it would be a minor annoyance compared to getting my peace of mind back...

 

[Shit Snacks]

Tried getting mine out just with safety pin and wire, its all torn up I'm sure, but can't get it out. I may have even lost some piece of wire in there now... I dont wanna use it like this, silicone in the mouthpiece. Yuck.

Also I must say the unit feels pretty cheap and plasticky, even the aluminum body, but theres plastic everywhere. Oven door wobbles, but seems to stay shut at least. Running brunch off on highest temp and unit gets quite warm, oven door is hot. And it's only the first burn off, but reeks something fierce, we'll see how that disipitates but it may be the subjectively worst new vape smell I've ever encountered...

Yeah vibrating is loud and would be annoying to me, dont think i really want vibration in a vape at all actually...

Its well packaged and accesorized, and for the price the features are impressive. But its still got that cheapo this is gonna break soon feel, and the mouthpiece issue is still annoying me. We'll see if and how things improve...

Also @KeroZen Indica fixed their usb issue pretty much with the noir models, and Elevape is supposed to take air through usb bc it is on demand instant hits with a quick puff. Not like a session vape where vapor is everywhere and gunking the usb and constantly heating risking the electronics

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Sadly they don't have a fix for the stucked moutpiece.. said unit could not be opened once assembled..Well... that's goodbye to my herbstick i guess .. Well note that these are pre-production units and you make sure you are getting the revisited model once you purchase.. (should be out in a month).
Blah , if they didn't tell me the unit can't be dissasembled i would be able to manage to fix my problem.. but sadly i disconnected the heater .. when doing so..
Anyway pictures comming later on stay tuned ..

 

[HillaryClinton]

Sadly they don't have a fix for the stucked moutpiece.. said unit could not be opened once assembled..Well... that's goodbye to my herbstick i guess .. Well note that these are pre-production units and you make sure you are getting the revisited model once you purchase.. (should be out in a month).
Blah , if they didn't tell me the unit can't be dissasembled i would be able to manage to fix my problem.. but sadly i disconnected the heater .. when doing so..
Anyway pictures comming later on stay tuned ..

Might be interesting to see the insides anywho, to bad it broke though :-/.

 

[mrweed]

don't worry guys, bauway is extremely fast in solving such issues. my version only had one oven door and one screen... yours already come with a couple more.
don't forget: fixing possible problems is what this giveaway is about!

concerning the loose oven door: just put it in the wrong way! it fits much better this way.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thats good to hear at least, though I dont see a spare oven door...

Mine also still reeks after 10+ burn off sessions, definitely loons like an open airpath, comes out the usb and i can see the leds glow in the path with the mouthpiece off.

Also haven't been able to get the silicone out of the mouthpiece through all my poking and prodding (since I can't drill it, though safety pin made the bottom holes a tad bigger), kind of sick of trying, so even if it smelled clean enough to use (or if it gets better) I dont know if I'd be able to use it....

They should overhall the mouthpiece and vapor path as one tube and a mouthpiece instead of two tubes and spring mechanisms. Make it like the indica and Goboof

 

[HillaryClinton]

Thats good to hear at least, though I dont see a spare oven door...

Mine also still reeks after 10+ burn off sessions, definitely loons like an open airpath, comes out the usb and i can see the leds glow in the path with the mouthpiece off.

Also haven't been able to get the silicone out of the mouthpiece through all my poking and prodding (since I can't drill it, though safety pin made the bottom holes a tad bigger), kind of sick of trying, so even if it smelled clean enough to use (or if it gets better) I dont know if I'd be able to use it....

They should overhall the mouthpiece and vapor path as one tube and a mouthpiece instead of two tubes and spring mechanisms. Make it like the indica and Goboof

Same experience pretty much besides the smell but I am sick, maybe just don't notice it, idk...my spring mechanism is starting to go funky, only goes in when it wants it seems. Only got one door also.

 

[Bvapst]

You could try a glass stem in it. The flashvape stem fit just over the tube for ex. And you can press on the spring with the stem. I join you on the smell @Shit Snacks.

Of course that vape does produce vapor. Tight pack and over 200c° I do get quite dense vapor. Below that it is not visible or really whispy, I can feel the heat deep in the throat but not having much vapor.
At higher temp it is even more difficult for me to handle the dry heat. I think I'm too used to a good convection portable, where I can get lungbuster hits while being able to deal with the throat without coughing.
I keep telling myself it's a conduction vape at that is normal.

 

[KeroZen]

I forgot to mention this aspect btw: being a conduction vape you need to make a "puck" and have the load contact the bowl walls tightly at all times. It's the case with all my conduction vapes, but in this one (and the FM8 and to a lesser extent the Alfa) the bowl is "upside down" meaning gravity plays against us and tends to dislodge the puck.

In the Alfa they kinda improved the situation by having this "spike" inside the bowl. But here you really need to tamp the shit out of the load so it stays in place and then try not to shake the vape too much. Otherwise it gives the false impression that you need to fill the bowl fully to get good vapor, but this is not the case.

The other problem as we discussed is the sub-optimal vapor/air ratio. If fresh air enters the equation at the gap between the metal tube and the metal straw, it dilutes the vapor and makes it less visible. But technically the vapor contains as much PPM's of actives, it's just that you see them less (and thus have to take larger hits to get the same perceived density on exhale)

@Bvapst : when you say 'fit just over' how tight of a fit are you talking about? It needs to be a perfect seal if we want to exclude any possibility of sucking air from the device internals. I think we would be better finding a way to plug the gap between the plastic housing and the metal tube. But well ideally if we could fix both it would be even better. I just don't want to buy a Flashvape just to get the correct stem...

If it's not too late for Bauway to change the vape design, I agree it would be best if the mouthpiece was not retractable *OR* if it was threaded (510?) and you would screw it in place like in the FlowerMate 5, this way no gap and no worries about the exposed internals.

It's not that far from being a good vape otherwise.

 

[Bvapst]

I totally agree with you @KeroZen. A bit of improvement and this vape could compete with the other.
I would have to check again, but the fit from the stem is quite tight, especially if I press down on the spring. For exemple, the stem was staying in place if I held the Deluxe upside down, but if I shake it a bit it will get lose and stem will fall. I can't tell you more, sorry.

Of course you can buy those stems as an accessory only. I find they can be usefull for different vapor use. MFLB stem might work too ? I think they are just a bit thinner than flashvape ones. I'll try some kind of O-ring down there around the tube so the stem can get tight there..

EDIT : I put a larger round slightly folded and packed screen over the square screen so it stay in place and gravity won't make the screen to push the load down.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Anyone try an Indica spacer in there? Seems like they might fit though there would still be some spare space, but ird help keep a puck down (or up...). I'd try myself but I dont want to use herb in here bc mine still stinks and the mouthpiece is sill siliconed

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Having problems with my camera.. so sry for the crappy quality. On this picture is all you need to dodissasemble the herbstick .. U just slide it up and down. Anyway.. i learn this the hard way... because they told me engineer said ... it could not be opened,lol... Anyway i will have a new one comming so i will call their customer service great..

So here are few thing you must note in order to dissasemble your herbstick without damaging it ...
So my problem was that moutpiece mechanizm is somehow defective..
First thing i did was opening the bottom with a knife...3rd picture on the right..
Then i tried to remove top part but it was stuck with something.. so i tried to pull the battery and the heater which resulted in disconnecting the two red wires which are connected to tiny metal pieces wrapped in the brown "tape" which reminds me of an inhalator capsule.. material wise.. and resoldering proved to be impossible.. Anyway,, you don't need to do the same ... The white wire in the heater is the teperature probe which looks like the one some multimeters have..
Sadly i couldnt take photos of the heater but there is a long straw molded to the chamber which can be seen from the upper part. I think airpath is pretty safe,, cause one metal tube goes directly into the other.. some recailm build up makes it even a tighter seal..
If your mouthpiece ever gets stuck you can free it following these steps.
1.Remove pin at the back and remove buttons if you can with a help of a tooth pick for example. you dont need to 100% do that but it is easier that way .
2Make sure you remove the diamond because it can scratch something.. very shar on the other end..
3- slide it up by pushing it from down.. Carefully...
4. On the last picture you can see the whole where the locking mechanizm lies.. it is basicly a bolt held by a spring over it held by a metal particle with bolt on top.. which goes into the big spring around the heating chamber.
U need a simple screw driver first remove top metal part then the spring and the bolt ,then you can free your moutpiece and put it back together ..
Some other impressions on the internals.. There seems to be some kind of yellow stuff on the circuit boards on the solderings.. i dont know if it resin or that thing colophone or smth.. an amber crystal.. Anyway.. airpath seems sealed when moutpiece is attached.. but.. chamber is open and dust from electronics could enter there.. so.. they need to add a fix there for sure .(maybe a silicon padbetween the metal piece and the bolt that top off the spring that holds the locking mechanizm.. This is where air from electronics enters. although it is passive

 

[Bvapst]

Thanks for the body gift to science.
What would you mean by airpath ? Air inlet ?
And I don't get how the chamber is "open" ?
I still don't know where is the air inlet ? I forgot to try to draw while covering the door with hand.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Thanks for the body gift to science.
What would you mean by airpath ? Air inlet ?
And I don't get how the chamber is "open" ?
I still don't know where is the air inlet ? I forgot to try to draw while covering the door with hand.

Try it, maybe I got a fluke, the air comes full stream when I cover the chamber, directly from the USB port. Probably why I get such little vapor...

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Thanks for the body gift to science.
What would you mean by airpath ? Air inlet ?
And I don't get how the chamber is "open" ?
I still don't know where is the air inlet ? I forgot to try to draw while covering the door with hand.

What is purple is one part ,What is green is moutpiece
where the red spring pushesh the lock in the big spring is a hole where dust and air from electronics can end in around where moutpieces connect otherwise air is pretty sealed when moutpiece is connected .
Sorry it is a horrible drawing but i am super vaped right now.. i know i could have done better..

 

[Bvapst]

Thanks now it is a it more clear for me ! I think people who don't have the Deluxe in hands will understand as well. And this confirm to me my worries about using it, even with a mod mouthpiece.
I'll try to see how far is that hole and make sure my stem goes full way covering it but I'm afraid it won't be visible.

Seems that hole was the solution for hot electronics-air to escape out. If the mouthpiece is connected it should then go around the mouthpiece, hence the smell ? Hope I get it this time...
Another improvement for them would be to put that hole on the opposite side of the airpath/vaporpath and mouthpiece. That should clear worries.

@HillaryClinton I'm afraid of that too. When I was using it last time, I was covering the usb port while drawing as I was thinking it might dilute the vapor. Well... it "seams" sealed but at the end I'm not sure at all.

 

[Vape Dr.]

Hey guys! Quick D.I.Y. Keep the screen in the bottom and half pack spacer mod.

To get the stock screen to stay in the bottom of the chamber get an Indica screen and cut a small square just a hair larger than the stock screen.


Drop it in the chamber.



Then place your stock screen in and poke it down in there with the file tool provided.


Now the screen will stay in the bottom of the chamber when you empty it.


IMO the chamber is much too large on the HD just like the PAX and I find half packing them both works best.

Here is an easy way to make a half pack HD spacer screen.

What you will need:
Needle nose pliers
1x Indica spacer
1x stock HD screen
!x piece of titanium wire. (I get this at a local vape shop to rebuild my oil carts. Its made by Kidney Puncher. Looking at it a twist tie wire my work if its suitable).



Pull the pin out of the indica spacer.



Then thread the wire through the spacer. I went in the middle on both sides. 2 holes in on one side 3 holes in on the other.



Using the pliers make a square bend in the wire even with where the wire goes into the holes.



Put the spacer on the screen. Thread the wire through the holes where you took the pin out of the Indica spacer.



Twist the wire up and cut off excess.



Now you have a one piece spacer to half pack the HD.



Fits great. Very simple to make and easy to use.

 

[PPN]

Hi Dr, I like all of your mods but I want to notice that I use it as it comes without issues (and I'm one of the earlier reviewer!), the mp is not too much restrictive for me, was never stucked in and I don't taste the silicone, about the screens it only moved for the 2 or 3 first sessions after cleaning and stays in place very well and as spacer I use a cubic shaped screen on the top of my load, this is work very well for me, I get satisfying clouds at higher t° and a decent taste at low and medium t°!

 

[paytonpenn]

Mine came in today, build is nice carved a hole in the bottom of the mouthpiece with a screwdriver. Its great for high temp vaping.

 

[KeroZen]

Following @paytonpenn's advice, and because I didn't have my electric drill at hand, I managed to drill the bottom of the mouthpiece with a simple screwdriver, as well as enlarging the top hole. The metal is super soft, must be aluminium?

Removing the silicone inside proved to be more challenging! At first I only managed to get small bits of it, but after many attempts I squeezed it out fully by the enlarged top hole like @Vape Dr. did.

If you do drill your mouthpiece, I advise you to remove the silicone too because otherwise small metal bits might stick to it (from the drilling that is) and metal particles in your lungs = problems. Mine was full of them when I removed it.

Ok so that's one problem solved! Now I need to figure a way to patch this air leak... Apart from the good doc' you guys all have the leak problem or it's just me? Payton' what about yours?

Also it's again the proof that we all have different taste buds sensitivities but I find this vape still has a strong factory smell even after many burn-ins. While empty and to max temp I find the bowl has some smell, and the top of the device where the mouthpiece plugs also is smelly but in a different way.

The shell gets hots quite fast at max temp too, but no big deal. The buzzer is too strong and I find it annoying because with such a short time-out, you always need to re-start a cycle and the damn thing will buzz every-time it reaches the set temp and everytime it times out... so it keeps buzzing super loud and I can't use the device while my gf is sleeping next to me...

Haven't used it with plant material since my first try, I wish the smell was completely gone before. I'll keep doing empty burn-ins.

PS: I had a bug once where it timed out and the buzzer was continuously on... had to power off the device for it to stop.

 

[mrweed]

i don't have the air leaking problem, too and my herbstick never had a negative smell or taste!
maybe the second batch has some issues the first haven't... if i remember correctly @PPN does not have these problems, too

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

i don't have the air leaking problem, too and my herbstick never had a negative smell or taste!
maybe the second batch has some issues the first haven't... if i remember correctly @PPN does not have these problems, too

+1 Till it worked mine hadn't problems ..
Anyway props to their company.. There is another sample on my way.. They didn't had to do any warranty or anything since this was a test unit.. but they were nice enough to offer me a new one..
Also having look the inside i don't think it is a problem.. BTW
you can remove the diamond if you don't like it and you will have one more venting hole.. So passive air from electronics is far less likely to come anywhere in airpath .(not that it is possible when moutpiece is attaches .. then you get straight airpath from herb chamber

 

[HillaryClinton]

Yeah just sent a message, I am sorta thinking something happened in transit, cause my screen was dented and a lot of air is pouring from the USB, cause I can cover the bottom port and get a steady stream from the USB, like just as much air pretty much, can feel it coming from the usb with my finger with the mouthpiece on securely.