Herb Grinders

[Shit Snacks]

Yep.



Nope. And probably never will based on the pics of grinds i've seen, and its form factor.

It's just not for me, the same as the Kannastor and SCS is not for you.

Those photos don't line up with my experience at all though btw. That's my point, you don't really know until you try for yourself

I have those others to try, still need to test more of course, but I didn't really say the SCS was not for me... The GR8TR I am still open minded about, but am thoroughly unimpressed so far

I guess it's how you use grinders, if you wanna cram a bunch in haphazardly it is a different experience for sure than what I do... comfortable ergonomics, easy to keep clean, and versatile grind are my main factors

 

[biohacker]

comfortable ergonomics, easy to keep clean, and versatile grind are my main factors

Same here!

 

[Shit Snacks]

Same here!

Hence why I think you should try an SLX at least before passing judgement! Only way to know for sure if it suits your use or not imo

 

[biohacker]

Hence why I think you should try an SLX at least before passing judgement! Only way to know for sure if it suits your use or not imo

I'd have to see some evidence of a more even grind consistency, without grinding upside down, sideways or whatever. But I already know that the form factor wouldn't work for me, maybe if they make a 3" one day. The only reason the Kannastor works for me is because of it's "height" and that THICK top. And i'm quite certain that coating will cause me issues knowing my luck. I recognize that the SCS will get scratched and anodizing affected around the teeth, but that grind consistency and fluff simply cannot be beat IMO.

Lots of GrAS on its way, but this SAS is killing me right now!

 

[MoltenTiger]

To each their own, but the SLX to me appears to be better for combustion, and I PREFER a coarse grind I just don't see the appeal, the grind looks too chunky and uneven to me and the possibility of the coating being compromised leaves much to be desired, especially with the low profile of the grinder.

The SLX is about as coarse as I go for my combustion needs actually. It works perfectly, but it's ideal for vaping too.

The grind is fluffy, little bits stick to little bits, but overall it's very consistent. The photo's I took don't do it justice, plus the herb samples are par-cured and include stems and leaves, so far from ideal. That was the point of showing that strain earlier, the original shot was how that fresh af bud could be processed fine by only the MFFG. As it turns out the SLX can nearly match it too, just not as consistently or as finely. That nug would have gunked up an SCS no doubt about it and the GR8TR fine plate would have been shockingly bad.
Also, the cheese in the last pic is very consistent and finer than the chocolate, if you look at the sample above the ruler and compare it with the pic from my MFFG post you can see that for yourself.
Here's how the MFFG took that .5g chocolate nug

A tad annoying.

Also, the anodised teeth get worn with SCS grinder? That's reason for concern, there is no wear on the SLX teeth or inside the grinder, only if you drop it, scratch it, and a small amount on the edge of the grinding lids if you're not careful. Dyed anodised coatings possibly aren't inert either? Still a minor concern, but meh. Old tech and worth upgrading from once it's worn out IMO. Everyone who has that I've known of has stuck with the SLX after switching too

if you want a fine grind - the vape grt8r fine plate is the way to go

Surely not when it will just end up looking like the above pic, and not chop any finer than my SLX did (although that was a 50-50 blend, which is actually great I'm realising after these last tokes). Plus I can just keep doing that all week with the SLX, which I couldn't with anything else because of the gunk build-up.

If I want a fine grind, I'll be sticking to my 420 jar full of pixie dust anyway, it's easily the better option.

I'd have to see some evidence of a more even grind consistency, without grinding upside down, sideways or whatever. But I already know that the form factor wouldn't work for me, maybe if they make a 3" one day. The only reason the Kannastor works for me is because of it's "height" and that THICK top. And i'm quite certain that coating will cause me issues knowing my luck. I recognize that the SCS will get scratched and anodizing affected around the teeth, but that grind consistency and fluff simply cannot be beat IMO.

Lots of GrAS on its way, but this SAS is killing me right now!

Grinding right-side-up is extremely consistent with the SLX, as I've said and tried to show using the most coarse results possible lol. It's a medium fluffy grind and there's not much difference in particle size. Grinding upside-down actually caused a more uneven grind, but the perfect vaping blend (two lots (close ranges) of particle sizes, 50-50 as I tried to show above. I have the majority of it still, it's a lovely sample and plenty consistent. It flows like a powder where the smaller bits stick to the bigger chunks (which are coffee blender fine, the size I used to aim for when I used a coffee grinder).

The form factor concern is for real though, I mean the SLX is very ergonomic, but if you have massive hands it might be a bit cramping.
I much prefer it's smaller overall size though, seeing as I take it everywhere.
But I think it could have a taller lid (.5-1cm more depth would be nice for some). The 2.4" size is great though

 

[Shit Snacks]

The SLX is about as coarse as I go for my combustion needs actually. It works perfectly, but it's ideal for vaping too.

The grind is fluffy, little bits stick to little bits, but overall it's very consistent. The photo's I took don't do it justice, plus the herb samples are par-cured and include stems and leaves, so far from ideal. That was the point of showing that strain earlier, the original shot was how that fresh af bud could be processed fine by only the MFFG. As it turns out the SLX can nearly match it too, just not as consistently or as finely. That nug would have gunked up an SCS no doubt about it and the GR8TR fine plate would have been shockingly bad.
Also, the cheese in the last pic is very consistent and finer than the chocolate, if you look at the sample above the ruler and compare it with the pic from my MFFG post you can see that for yourself.
Here's how the MFFG took that .5g chocolate nug

A tad annoying.

Also, the anodised teeth get worn with SCS grinder? That's reason for concern, there is no wear on the SLX teeth or inside the grinder, only if you drop it, scratch it, and a small amount on the edge of the grinding lids if you're not careful. Dyed anodised coatings possibly aren't inert either? Still a minor concern, but meh. Old tech and worth upgrading from once it's worn out IMO. Everyone who has that I've known of has stuck with the SLX after switching too


Surely not when it will just end up looking like the above pic, and not chop any finer than my SLX did (although that was a 50-50 blend, which is actually great I'm realising after these last tokes). Plus I can just keep doing that all week with the SLX, which I couldn't with anything else because of the gunk build-up.

If I want a fine grind, I'll be sticking to my 420 jar full of pixie dust anyway, it's easily the better option.


Grinding right-side-up is extremely consistent with the SLX, as I've said and tried to show using the most coarse results possible lol. It's a medium fluffy grind and there's not much difference in particle size. Grinding upside-down actually caused a more uneven grind, but the perfect vaping blend (literally two lots of particle sizes, 50-50 as I tried to show above. I have the majority of it still, it's a lovely sample and plenty consistent. It flows like a powder where the smaller bits stick to the bigger chunks (which are coffee blender fine, the size I used to aim for when I used a coffee grinder).

The form factor concern is for real though, I mean the SLX is very ergonomic, but if you have massive hands it might be a bit cramping.
I much prefer it's smaller overall size though, seeing as I take it everywhere.
But I think it could have a taller lid (.5-1cm more depth would be nice for some). The 2.4" size is great though

Yeah when I use mine I am breaking off smaller pieces than you had in the photo and loading them between teeth in the center as I do with any grinder (plus no stems). The resulting grind has been the most even in my experience, course turned right side up or fine turned upside down, with moist dense buds that keep their kief. On top of that it also requires the least maintenance and most minimal effort for me as well (the six notches on the sides mean you don't even need to clutch it with your palms like other grinders actually, you can grip the many sides with you finger tips while the coating and teeth mean smooth turns no matter the herb)

I don't even know why I'm going on and on redundantly lol I guess I'm just extremely happy with mine after being meh on everything else grinder wise. Okay I'll go away now...

 

[biohacker]

Also, the anodised teeth get worn with SCS grinder? That's reason for concern, there is no wear on the SLX teeth or inside the grinder, only if you drop it, scratch it, and a small amount on the edge of the grinding lids if you're not careful. Dyed anodised coatings possibly aren't inert either? Still a minor concern, but meh.

IME anodized anything gets worn, teeth no exception. Regardless, not a concern for me.

Surely not when it will just end up looking like the above pic, and not chop any finer than my SLX did

I'm not too sure about that, I agree that the fine plate can look like the above (maybe not AS bad), but the holes can get clogged, although many will shake their hand and say they have zero issues, which is possible. All depends on cure.

It's a medium fluffy grind and there's not much difference in particle size.

Subjective IMO. To me medium fluffy is SCS. It's been said time and time again in this thread about the SCS fluff.

Grinding upside-down actually caused a more uneven grind

Interesting, as others have indicated the opposite, and rather a finer even grind. Just shows again how everyone has different experiences.

The form factor concern is for real though, I mean the SLX is very ergonomic, but if you have massive hands it might be a bit cramping.
I much prefer it's smaller overall size though, seeing as I take it everywhere.
But I think it could have a taller lid (.5-1cm more depth would be nice for some). The 2.4" size is great though

Phew! I was beginning to think you sounded like a certain member in another thread that wouldn't say ANYTHING negative about the product. I respect your honesty, and yes I feel that the SLX would cause me cramping, and like you said - a taller/thicker lid would make a massive difference for me.

Everyone has their own individual needs and preferences, no different than vapes. Look at how much some people worship some, and other people hate the same ones.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Oh yeah, negative wise, I will say I wish it had that quarter turn style threading for fewer turns to open and close... And I wouldn't complain if it had a deeper, rounded bottom dish though probably not too necessary for my needs... Maybe their 3.0 will even have a thicker top!

 

[MoltenTiger]

Yeah when I use mine I am breaking off smaller pieces than you had in the photo and loading them between teeth in the center as I do with any grinder without stems. The resulting grind has been the most even in my experience, course turned right side up or fine turned upside down, with moist dense buds that keep their kief. On top for that it also requires the least maintenance and most minimal effort for me as well (the six notches on the sides mean you don't even need to clutch it with your palms like other grinders actually, you can grip the many sides with you finger tips while the coating and teeth mean smooth turns no matter the herb)

I don't even know why I'm going on and on redundantly lol I guess I'm just extremely happy with mine after being me on everything else grinder wise. Okay I'll go away now...

Yeah I normally do break up nugs and place them a bit more carefully. And I nearly did here too, because I knew that it would produce better pics if I did it. But I was trying to show the same bud and a true grind comparison to what I used before, which was sticky-icky for the MFFG demo. I figured the SLX wouldn't stutter with it, so I may as well show, as I said, what the teeth can do with some scrappy nugs.
The notches are good, I grip either side with my thumb and middle finger which gives me a heap of leverage and a very comfortable operation.

Quality products are easy to go on and on about hey!

Subjective IMO. To me medium fluffy is SCS. It's been said time and time again in this thread about the SCS fluff.

If it's truly a finer grind than the SLX, which I believe it to be, there is nothing medium about it. It'd be straight up fine fluff in my books.
The SLX has very similar teeth, they are a little shorter but the same trapezoids with concave cutting edges and they spin very close together. It is a shredder too, but not exactly the same.

Interesting, as others have indicated the opposite, and rather a finer even grind. Just shows again how everyone has different experiences.

Mostly people have just mentioned the finer particles no?
The first pic I had which alarmed you with the chunkiness, I put a whole .8g bud just in the grinder, with a portion over the centre magnet and just churned it back and forth for some seconds. That will produce the chunkiest, but very even consistency grind. Grinding with smaller broken up buds on a slight angle a little less violently is my usual method, also dryer nugs are more standard (harvest has just passed). That all produces the nicer looking fluff you like.

Phew! I was beginning to think you sounded like a certain member in another thread that wouldn't say ANYTHING negative about the product. I respect your honesty, and yes I feel that the SLX would cause me cramping, and like you said - a taller/thicker lid would make a massive difference for me.

Everyone has their own individual needs and preferences, no different than vapes. Look at how much some people worship some, and other people hate the same ones.

I opened my review stating there was flaws, but there's nothing too stand out honestly, I second @Shit Snacks wants for 3.0

 

[biohacker]

If it's truly a finer grind than the SLX, which I believe it to be, there is nothing medium about it. It'd be straight up fine fluff in my books.

Fine fluff is kannastor fine plate or MFFG in my books. SCS is medium fluff IMO, and coarse would be your SLX in those pics, or my zeus vortex which is similar (but more uniform). I just received a freebie 4 piece from AgraCan that is a zinc alloy? Anyways it's the smallest grinder i've ever owned, with very small holes so i'm curious to see what it's all about. Should be a nice fine grind, but i'm not sure about its structural integrity or ergonomics...might be cool for travel though. Right out of the box though I see some fine black dust, not too stoked about that although I haven't given it its virgin iso bath yet.

I opened my review stating there was flaws, but there's nothing too stand out honestly, I second @Shit Snacks wants for 3.0

And again I respect you both for not having a bias or agenda, and telling it like it is unlike some members on this forum which fight for their opinions to the death like it's the only one. I sold my Kannastor, because things changed for me, and when I have new information I will change my mind again, and admit being wrong when new evidence presents itself. You know me well from the GH thread.... i'm just an open book, and tell it like it is, without any sugar coating.

With that said, I may very well be an SLX owner one day! I almost was a year ago when I bought BOTH the kannastor and slx on 4/20 but the slx was out of stock and didn't ship, so that's how that ended.

Anyways, that's my storey and i'm sticking to it!

 

[cybrguy]

So I came back in here to tell y'all what I thought after using my SLX for a few days. A little surprising I had so much catching up to do. It took me a little bit to figure out WTF the MFFG was, but I got it.

So, the grinder I have been using for years is more of a medium coarse grinder and I have gotten used to it and like that grind. To me, based on what I have been using, the SLX does a significantly finer grind, and it will take me a little while to get used to it, tho I expect that I will adjust pretty easily. I would definitely not want it any finer as a standard grind, however. It's funny how our perspective influences our descriptions, with many of you calling this grind coarse. Eye of the beholder...

The smoothness and feel of the grinder are a noticeable improvement on what I have been used to, and I expect I will appreciate this grinder more as I use it. For example, it takes many fewer turns to get to the storage, and I like that a lot.

I think this will turn out to be a good choice for me, so thanks for the recommendations...

 

[biohacker]

It's funny how our perspective influences our descriptions, with many of you calling this grind coarse. Eye of the beholder...

THIS BIG TIME, which is all that I was trying to say earlier....everyone has different perceptions of what is fine, medium fine, coarse, fluffy, whatever....

Not to mention how it can be difficult to gauge from pictures! The above grind does not look as fine or even as the kannastor coarse plate IMO, but ofcourse contingent on starting material.

I think i'm going to fire up the GrAS shortly since VAS and SAS (kinda) is in check, but since I have all the time in the world will scour for the best sales!

Can anyone confirm that the small medium and large SCS all have the SAME sized holes?

And what in the world is this??

https://santacruzshredder.com/collections/three-piece/products/copy-of-small-3-piece-shredder-black

 

[cybrguy]

Thought I would include a pic that will show why the grinds are so different between the 2...

 

[biohacker]

Wow, what sizes are those? They're both SCS? They look like completely different grinders!

 

[cybrguy]

Heh heh. They ARE completely different grinders. The one on the left is my new "Large" SLX. The one on the right is a no name I have been using for at least 8 or 10 years. I think it was a clone of something maybe the cali crusher...

 

[Stevenski]

Yeah @MoltenTiger the packaging is the probably the worst I have seen for a product. Then again the packaging was in the recycling about 25 seconds after I opened it.

Oh yeah, negative wise, I will say I wish it had that quarter turn style threading for fewer turns to open and close... And I wouldn't complain if it had a deeper, rounded bottom dish though probably not too necessary for my needs... Maybe their 3.0 will even have a thicker top!

Yup. Exactly what I have been banging on about for a fair while. It is good to see quite a few people coming around to the SLX as IMO it is the best grinder going & I have always considered it a medium-fine grind that is perfect for my vaping needs.

Wow, what sizes are those? They're both SCS? They look like completely different grinders!

That is a large SLX is on the left bro.

Different strokes for different folks & definitely that is the case for pairing grinders with vaporizers. Some like a powder like grind, others chunky as fuck & plenty somewhere in the middle.

I like the way @InterplanetaryTanner is actively engaging with users here & soliciting end user feedback. I don't own an IP grinder but if you are looking to make a genuine improvement to your grinder a ceramic coating & smaller holes will be a point of difference if you can keep costs reasonable.

 

[InterplanetaryTanner]

I like the way @InterplanetaryTanner is actively engaging with users here & soliciting end user feedback. I don't own an IP grinder but if you are looking to make a genuine improvement to your grinder a ceramic coating & smaller holes will be a point of difference if you can keep costs reasonable.

I know everyone here loves the SLX, but I'm not 100% sold on the ceramic coating thing. My understanding is that it's pretty save to use on cookware. However, there's two VERY MAJOR differences between ceramic coated cookware and ceramic coated grinders.

The first is that you're not supposed to use metal utensils on ceramic/ceramic coated cookware. And grinders are made of metal. The second, is that food is digested, while material that goes through the grinder is generally inhaled.

So I'm not 100% sure on the safety aspect there. But I do know it's not something I personally would want to risk. But I also work with ceramic material/silica a lot. So I try to do whatever I can to minimize my exposure with the hopes that I never develop silicosis.


That said, with what we have planned, (as long as it works) I don't think a ceramic coating would be worthwhile anyways. But give me a few weeks and I should have some pictures to share for suggestions/feedback.

 

[cybrguy]

The first is that you're not supposed to use metal utensils on ceramic/ceramic coated cookware. And grinders are made of metal. The second, is that food is digested, while material that goes through the grinder is generally inhaled.

Well, that is kinda weird way to describe your two points. Your not supposed to use metal utensils on ceramic cookware to avoid scratching the surface with friction. What metal are you scraping the grinder surface with? And what material do you think the ceramic coating is applied to on the cookware?
And I would hope that I'm not inhaling much or any of what goes through my grinder. I'm doing my best to just inhale the actives that evaporate off what goes through my grinder. Yes, if the ceramic is flaking then there is a risk (minute as it may be after going though the load and the screen) I may inhale some. But I have no reason to believe that it is.
If I may make a suggestion, and I mean no offense, but it is always better as a vendor to promote your own product than to try and disparage your competition. Especially if you do it badly.

 

[InterplanetaryTanner]

There's only one grinder I know of that has a ceramic coating. So I could see how questioning the safety of a ceramic coating could come off in a negative light. - I was also responding to the suggestion of possibility of adding a ceramic coating to the SWIII in the future.

But I wasn't joking when I said I deal with Clay/Ceramic/Silica a lot. I've got a pottery studio set up in my garage. I'm working with this stuff multiple times a week. Every week. So any steps I can take to avoid any potential/unnecessary exposure I take.


We all have different needs. But we all are looking to achieve the same thing.

 

[biohacker]

If I may make a suggestion, and I mean no offense, but it is always better as a vendor to promote your own product than to try and disparage your competition. Especially if you do it badly.

I didn't have the perception that he was doing that at all, and he definitely didn't do it badly, he was just stating his opinion on ceramic coatings, and I think it's a good one. @InterplanetaryTanner don't pay attention to any negativity, please continue to bring it and tell it like it is regardless of your opinions, because IMO that's how you get my respect, no sugar coating anything. Thanks for continuing to represent, I look forward to your new creations.

 

[MoltenTiger]

No harm in addressing a materials concern when it is being directly requested, to be fair.
I do see a few flaws in the logic though. Ceramic frying pans are also made of metal, and you similarly can't use metal utensils on them, as on SLX grinders, if you want to preserve their delicate coating.
The difficulty with applying a non-stick coating to something is that it's non-stick. It has no real intention of hanging around. Teflon, a now known to be dangerous material, is a good example of this as most have seen it first hand. It flakes off and wears away easily as it doesn't even adhere to itself well.
These days ceramic technology has changed a bit, and I believe there is even a 'diamond coating’ technology on cooking pans that has a lifetime guarantee and can be used with metal utensils.
The SLX coating is patented, and whilst it can slowly erode away on itself as seen by my examples of a near 1.5y.o grinder, the exposure is of less concern to me than the vapour itself.
The inside of the SLX is extremely durable to plant matter from what I've seen, and it is no joke half the reason it's as good as it is and the reason it grinds like new for years without a hassle.
Also to get silicosis from grinding weed would require breathing in noticeable amounts of silica dust which just isn't going to happen, but make sure you invest in a good respirator for pottery where that's known to be the case

 

[verdampersweats]

No... an ultrasonic cleaner is not a helpful tool with grinders.
For replacement Space Case parts, or for warranty claims you should write to:
OneSource
2110 Artesia Blvd. STE B465
Redondo Beach, CA 90278-3073
Space Case has a lifetime warranty, but they figure most people won't locate the manufacturer's address. I have had to replace Teflon rings, and get warranty service, and that is how I went about it.
When writing to OneSource, the guy who runs things is named "Bob"
When you spoke of O-Rings, I think you mean Teflon Gasket.
They come on SCS and most vapes, you just may not be able to see them in pictures.

Thanks i do hope they will let you order a part otherwise lifetime warranty means nothing i only knocked it on wood with my foot there is no dent im just missing a tiny tiny bit of Titanium anodizing now on the kief section out of the four parts. @gonzorelli777 i am going to try Facebook also when i get time too i am for sure going to hunt down something or replace it depending on thier Customer service.

Also @Vitolo the O-rings for Space Case are Delrin Teflon O-Rings never heard them called gaskets here in Europe but yes if i buy Santa Cruz Shredder does it use one? And if so where do you buy spares the SCS website only lists grinders. I really need a nano finnishing grinder in 2 parts but with gaskets and lifetime warranty. And unless someone on here can answer me or SCS answer me themselves then im going to have to go for something like a Space Case 50mm or the MLFB nano grinder and Herborizer Nano grinders are both 30mm but crucially the O-rings on all models are not purchaseable so when the teflon is worn out you need a new grinder instead of a 4$ replacment bit of teflon.

All of this hassle just to finnish your grind fine enough *rolls eyes* and not spill while tipping it into an 88mm Space Case.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

I don't see how anyone could lose or wear out any grinder's o-ring, yet you seem to be extremely worried about that happening. Am I missing something?

 

[verdampersweats]

I don't see how anyone could lose or wear out any grinder's o-ring, yet you seem to be extremely worried about that happening. Am I missing something?

Why do Space Case sell them then? If you use it a lot i reckon after a year or so you should replace them. I doubt any grinder without this option would last 5 years. I plan to live another 35 years so i need and want a 35 year grinder. It is not that much to ask really when it is metal versus flower is it? I think a blunt shaped instead of diamond + replacement o rings would mean a true lifetime grinder. This is what i want because it saves money.

I think my Space Case Titanium will last a long time i have 6 spare o rings and if i get my hands on a small enough finnishing 2 PC i plan to never visit herb grinder sections again because what more could i need after this?

 

[muunch]

What do you mean by lifetime? Lifetime warranty?

@InterplanetaryTanner offers lifetime warranties and certainly honors them.

Idk about the gaskets and whether he sells them individually but I know he's looking into a solution for them for the next iteration of the Super Weapon. I'd have a nice sesh and think about what you want in a grinder and post it in here if I were you.