Herb Grinders

[simoninaustralia]

I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed (I hope it has), but I just received my SanataCruzShredder "RX for medical use only" edition large 4 piece grinder.
It didn't take long for a pile of small aluminum shavings to accumulate after giving the second from top piece a quick brush.
This company boasts their product as a medical grade tool that has been ultrasonically cleaned which (foolishly) gave me the assumption it could be used out of the box.

Yeah, but it is "Medical grade, ultrasonically cleansed anodized aluminum" shavings!

 

[Stevenski]

I need to purchase a new grinder & was looking for any opinions on the following grinders. These are all in a similar price bracket & have a 30% discount currently. It will be mainly used for an Airzer Air or EQ.

http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/store/new-vape-76mm-fine-grinder.html

http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/store/space-case-medium-2-5-titanium-grinder-2-pc-magnet.html

http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/store/santa-cruz-2pc-shredder-large.html

or for the same money I could get both the below & I like the idea of a storage puck.

http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/store/kannastor-64mm-2pc-magnetic-grinder.html

http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/store/kannastor-56mm-storage-puck.html

 

[thisperson]

Seen enough broken teeth and metal flakes on sharp stones to never ever use them. I recommend kannastor for a lower mid priced brand that is still quality

I couldn't believe it when you told me. So I looked it up. All I see are broken crank top grinders. I guess they are flimsy. I suggest you try the solid top 4 piece. It's still smooth after years. I don't take any special care of it. Just when I notice the side gunked up I take something flat against it and scrape. It's the most solid grinder my cheap ass has every seen and I never saw a need to upgrade to anything pricier.

I've even passed seeds through mine after a seedy harvest. I guess to each their own. This level of price and performance was just right for me. I'm considering another sharpstone xl already if this kingtop doesn't work out.

Edit: And I just read that someone here does an ISO wash every other month. I have never touched my grinder like that. It is one dirty mofo and I'm surprised it just ran smooth with all the gunk in the side.

I hate to sound like a spokesman but I really like this brand. The product has treated me well. I've seen my friend go through the ugly looking grinders and they clog up so easily. I would not want to grind with those. Yet every time my grinder never fails us.

 

[bluenavey00]

What methods do you all prefer to clean your grinders?

I have a 4 piece metal grinder and I clean it a couple of times a year with ISO.

I soak one section at a time for a few minutes in an egg cup and rub the grinder with a cotton wool bud to get into all the little hard to reach parts.

You can then evaporate the ISO on a plate to get some reclaim.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

If you had gotten an SCS with a fine screen, you would want the coarser screen. Yes, it is too coarse, but it's better than the fine screens. The fine screens are so tight, they might as well be called sheet metal.

Also, as Simon said, SCS marketing pictures can be misleading. The one in the picture you shared is a large.

That pic was from here.. a small SCS. http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/small-4-piece-green

I thought it might be too but it's the pic from the small grinder page. It was the better of the pics they had and the only one where we can clearly see the changes to the hole shapes and sizes.

As far as the screen goes, I think you're right. I have went back and read through this thread and there were definitely those that complained that the fine screen of the older models just got clogged all the time and barely anything got through. I'll take a picture tomorrow of 3 or 4 months of built up kief and it's a lot. Not only that but it's all a very consistent color as well. This may be my first time using a keif catcher, but I can assure everyone it's all keif that falls through.. nothing else.

I'm not going to mess with my keif until I take like a 2 week TB. My tolerance is so high, the effects of a vape session only last me 30 minutes. Also I'm always wondering in the back of my mind.. would a 3 piece have been better for me? I dunno, I'll decide on that when I test the potency of my keif!

 

[simoninaustralia]

That pic was from here.. a small SCS. http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/small-4-piece-green

I thought it might be too but it's the pic from the small grinder page. It was the better of the pics they had and the only one where we can clearly see the changes to the hole shapes and sizes.

It is a photo of a large SCS grinder, on the small SCS grinder webpage, that is why the hole shapes and sizes look different.

You can see the correct hole sizes and shapes, not very clearly, in the other photos on the page.

 

[simoninaustralia]

If you compare the photo of the small SCS grinder you posted...

http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/small-4-piece-green

...to the photo of a large SCS grinder here...

http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/large-4-piece-blue

...you may notice the similarity.

They have an incorrect front-on photo on the small SCS webpages.

A quick look at the large green 4-piece SCS grinder page shows a photo of a jumbo 4-piece grinder, the photos on the web pages do not necessarily match the models.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

In addition to what Simon said, a lot of other pictures on that page are inaccurate. For example, the second picture on the page (mini gold 4-piece) shows a small.

They also show a large purple instead of a small purple. Large silver instead of small silver. Jumbo red instead of large red. Small orange instead of large orange.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Just wanted to share the pics of my kief. What do you guys think? I'm looking at it and it appears like very consistent light crystals to me. These were the best pics I was able to take:

If anyone here thinks this looks like more than just pollen has fallen through, I really want to know please. As I said, this is my first time owning a kief catcher grinder.

If you compare the photo of the small SCS grinder you posted...

http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/small-4-piece-green

...to the photo of a large SCS grinder here...

http://santacruzshredder.com/collections/four-piece/products/large-4-piece-blue

...you may notice the similarity.

They have an incorrect front-on photo on the small SCS webpages.

A quick look at the large green 4-piece SCS grinder page shows a photo of a jumbo 4-piece grinder, the photos on the web pages do not necessarily match the models.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm usually very observant and have eyes for this kind of thing. I guess all we can really go by are those pics from our community here at FC. I'd really like to see someone who just very recently bought a small SCS to post pics..preferably before first using it. As a matter of fact it would be nice to see comparisons of all 4 sizes to see if they changed the teeth or hole designs.

In addition to what Simon said, a lot of other pictures on that page are inaccurate. For example, the second picture on the page (mini gold 4-piece) shows a small.

They also show a large purple instead of a small purple. Large silver instead of small silver. Jumbo red instead of large red. Small orange instead of large orange.

You know for such a nice product, these guys really need to get their act together IMO. Not sure if they need to contact the webmaster or whoever, but either way these mistakes shouldn't have made it past them. I know I've seen errors on other websites but never with a pic of the actual product on the product description detail page?

I see what you mean about the second pic on the Mini Gold Piece page page. After getting my small SCS out and a bic lighter, I can safely say you're right. But wait a second.. doesn't that tell us something? Take a look..

Here is that 2nd pic on the mini gold 4 piece that we now determined to be a small based on my small SCS and Bic lighter as well:

And here is mine:

Obviously there have been some changes made and I'm happier with the holes on the small SCS we have if that's the case. Seems like way too much herb would fall through with the other design of the small blue above.

 

[simoninaustralia]

The blue SCS photo you posted, from the SCS website, is of a mini SCS grinder.

(Aimless Ryan was incorrect, the first photo on the mini 4-piece gold SCS page shows a gold small, the second photo shows a blue mini)

Your green SCS photo is of a small SCS grinder.

They are different because they are different.

I doubt they care about the incorrect photos, customer service doesn't seem to be a high priority to them.

From the SCS website, these are photos of what I believe are the 4 different sizes and tooth/hole patterns, which do not necessarily relate correctly to the product pages for each model.

Mini (8 teeth/8 holes + 11 teeth)...

Small (15 teeth/15 holes + 12 teeth)...

Large (16 teeth/24 holes + 20 teeth)...

Jumbo (36? teeth + 36? holes + ? teeth)...

I don't think the design has been changed from your model, you are just confused by the mess that is the SCS website.

Mod note: posts merged

 

[Socks And Sandals]

The blue SCS photo you posted, from the SCS website, is of a mini SCS grinder.

Your green SCS photo is of a small SCS grinder.

They are different because they are different.

Actually based on the size of my Small against a BIC lighter.. that is actually a small, and I can confirm it with this pic. If you're basing this off of hole or teeth design, that may be why. I'm going by the hair over 2 inch diameter of the small. If that was a mini it would be smaller in comparison to the lighter.

And this is me trying to replicate that pic with my 4 piece:

Let me know if that helps.

 

[simoninaustralia]

Actually based on the size of my Small against a BIC lighter.. that is actually a small, and I can confirm it with this pic. If you're basing this off of hole or teeth design, that may be why. I'm going by the hair over 2 inch diameter of the small. If that was a mini it would be smaller in comparison to the lighter.

And from your photo, it is obvious to me that the blue grinder is a mini, and your green grinder is a small, by comparing the sizes of the grinders against the sizes of the lighters.

In the top photo, the right side of the grinder lines up with the right side of the bic, in your photo, the right side of the light extends much further to the right than the grinder.

They are obviously different sizes.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

And from your photo, it is obvious to me that the blue grinder is a mini, and your green grinder is a small, by comparing the sizes of the grinders against the sizes of the lighters.

Yes the teeth and hole design are drastically different but again, I'm basing this off of diameter in relation to my lighter. Instead of debating this, let's just have someone post pics of all 4 sizes again right next to each other and get it over with.

You're right about one thing, the website is a mess. I don't think we know if the teeth and hole design are dependent on size do we? I don't care who's right or wrong as of this point I just want to know what is what. I should just contact them myself and bring this to their attention if only I had the time.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

I posted a picture a few days ago with mini, small, and large right beside each other.

Here it is again:

Yes, we do know the hole design is dependent on size. And small is only 11 mm bigger than mini.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

I posted a picture a few days ago with mini, small, and large right beside each other.

Here it is again:

Yes, we do know the hole design is dependent on size.

How recent are these? According to your pic It appears as if the teeth and holes sizes for the Mini, Small and large are dependent on the size of the grinder now. Somewhere down the line (whether it was a pic posted in this thread or on the SCS website) I've seen same sized diameter grinders with different hole designs and that's what I want to get to the bottom of and understand here really lol. Very nice pics! Wish we could see a Jumbo too! Sorry I haven't been keeping up with the thread as I've been really busy.

@simoninaustralia

I can see how you would come to that conclusion but looking at my grinder on my bed with the lighter, It really doesn't seem as if it's a mini to me. Have we come to the conclusion that the hole and teeth designs are dependent on size then? As I said above I know I saw the same size either posted here or at SCS where the same sized 4 pieces had different hole designs. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Every mini SCS that has ever been shared on these boards (or anywhere else on the internet) has a hole pattern and teeth pattern like the one in my picture. Same thing with small and large. There might be some minor differences between two SCShredders of the same size, but nothing that would be easy to see in marketing pictures (unless you try really hard to find inconsistencies).

 

[simoninaustralia]

How recent are these? According to your pic It appears as if the teeth and holes sizes for the Mini, Small and large are dependent on the size of the grinder now. Somewhere down the line (whether it was a pic posted in this thread or on the SCS website) I've seen same sized diameter grinders with different hole designs and that's what I want to get to the bottom of and understand here really lol.

The teeth and hole sizes have always been dependent on the size of the grinder.

There is no difference in hole design within each size, at least that has been shown here in photos.

You are confused by the incorrect photos on the website.

You wanted someone to post photos of the 4 sizes right next to each other, someone posted 3 of the sizes right next to each other, and you are still arguing about it! LOL!

You know the saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink?

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Every mini SCS that has ever been shared on these boards (or anywhere else on the internet) has a hole pattern and teeth pattern like the one in my picture. Same thing with small and large. There might be some minor differences between two SCShredders of the same size, but nothing that would be easy to see in marketing pictures (unless you try really hard to find inconsistencies).

So basically you are telling me they have never changed their hole and teeth design patterns since they have been in business? In other words, there weren't older versions of the teeth and hole design patterns at all like people have claimed with the newer and coarser screens on here? I can assure you I read a discussion about it on some forums if it wasn't here. But of course, that doesn't mean that who ever was claiming that they had a newer and and older version of the same 4 piece that were different is correct at all.

@simoninaustralia Yes I understand now, and thank you for clearing that up.

 

[simoninaustralia]

So basically you are telling me they have never changed their hole and teeth design patterns since they have been in business? In other words, there weren't older versions of the teeth and hole design patterns at all like people have claimed with the newer and coarser screens on here? I can assure you I read a discussion about it on some forums if it wasn't here. But of course, that doesn't mean that who ever was claiming that they had a newer and and older version of the same 4 piece that were different is correct at all.

There might have been differences with early models, who knows, but none of the photos you have posted are showing any differences, just highlighting your confusion based on the incorrect photos on their website.

You seem desperate to find a change in teeth/hole design, not sure why.

I can see how you would come to that conclusion but looking at my grinder on my bed with the lighter, It really doesn't seem as if it's a mini to me.

Your grinder isn't a mini, that is why it doesn't seem as if it's a mini, because it is a small. The blue SCS grinder photo is of a mini.

Looking at your photo of your green grinder next to a Bic, and the photo from the SCS website of the blue grinder next to a Bic, it is obvious that they are different sizes, your green grinder is obviously larger than the blue grinder.

Mod note: posts merged

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Your grinder isn't a mini, that is why it doesn't seem as if it's a mini, because it is a small.

The teeth and hole sizes have always been dependent on the size of the grinder.

There is no difference in hole design within each size, at least that has been shown here in photos.

You are confused by the incorrect photos on the website.

You wanted someone to post photos of the 4 sizes right next to each other, someone posted 3 of the sizes right next to each other, and you are still arguing about it! LOL!

You know the saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink?

I'm going to explain to you one last time. The slight difference in size between the Mini and the small looked the same when I replicated the pic. I was under the assumption that they have changed their hole and teeth designs because I thought I read that in this thread. I was also under the assumption that those pics I posted looked near identical side by side (with the exception of the teeth) and this why I assumed that was a small. I think you're confusing yourself as much as the website has confused me.

All I know for FACT is that somewhere in this very thread there was a discussion about that. Perhaps I got brands mixed up and maybe they were talking about some other brand. Hell if I fucking know and I honestly don't care anymore as of this point lol. I just want my EVO back!

 

[hafalump]

But does it grind?

 

[Socks And Sandals]

But does it grind?

Like a Champ!

The blue SCS photo you posted, from the SCS website, is of a mini SCS grinder.

(Aimless Ryan was incorrect, the first photo on the mini 4-piece gold SCS page shows a gold small, the second photo shows a blue mini)

Your green SCS photo is of a small SCS grinder.

I think I missed this part.. sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[simoninaustralia]

I'm going to explain to you one last time. The slight difference in size between the Mini and the small looked the same when I replicated the pic.

They don't look the same to me, the green one looks larger than the blue one, in relation to the Bics, the size difference is obvious.

(Your photo overlaid on top of the SCS photo, resized so that both Bics are the same size)

Looks like the same sort of size difference as shown in the photo of the 3 sizes side by side.

(The middle/small SCS grinder copied and overlaid on top of the left/mini SCS grinder, for comparison to the photo above)

 

[Socks And Sandals]

They don't look the same to me, the green one looks larger than the blue one, in relation to the Bics, the size difference is obvious.

The angle of that pic wasn't very good either. To me they still seem very similar. Although I do see it now, there isn't much of a size difference between the mini and small is there?

Regardless of whatever magic you used to over lap the pictures, it proves nothing as they aren't exactly to scale with mine or @Aimless Ryan's pics. I still stand by the fact that those pics look too close in size. Looking at the awful pic I took and looking at my grinder spread out against that lighter, I still stand by this. Yes, I agree it looks bigger in that picture I took but it looks more closer to the size of the mini sitting on my bed.

But at the same time I do appreciate the pics you posted as it clears everything up.

Doesn't matter as of this point anyhow because I can see the difference.. but only just barely. I don't think I would get a Mini due to the size of those gigantic ovals anyhow.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Mini = 42 mm.
Small = 53 mm.

The small actually looks a little bigger in my picture, relative to the mini, than it does in real life (because I'm pretty sure the camera was noticeably right of center).

I think you make a very relevant observation about the large holes on the mini. When I ground 0.26 g in it yesterday, the herbs came out very lumpy and inconsistent. I don't think that ever happens with my small(s). Consequently, I think you almost have to grind upside down or sideways to get consistently ground herbs out of a mini.

So for anyone with an aversion to grinding upside down, don't buy a mini SCS. Unless you really need a grinder you'll rarely notice in your pocket. In that case, buy a mini SCS and use it upside down for a few turns.

(I want to add that I did not receive a notification indicating @Socks And Sandals tagged me in an edit to his original post. So if anyone tags anyone else when editing a post, I don't think that person is going to know they were tagged unless they just happen to look at the post again.)

EDIT: I just realized the teeth in all three of my small SCS lids (two 4-pieces and a 2-piece) are noticeably different from each other. Two of them have the same teeth configuration but differently-shaped teeth. The other one has a totally different teeth configuration and differently shaped teeth. The bottom teeth all seem to have the same configuration, but at least two of them have differently-shaped bottom teeth.