Having a rough time taking a break.

[biohacker]

Less is more. That's the mantra. Less is more

Biohacker
Never feel guilty. Do what is comfortable. It's pot not heroin or crystal meth

I know, but my body seems to think it's not as mild as some people say it is.

Just be careful. Never wise to drive high. Hide it from those who would not understand - you know eye drops.

I don't really "get high" because I drive all the time after vaping. I can function completely normally and never get any red eyes anymore. It's when i'm not medicated that functioning it extremely difficult. I am extremely dependent on vaping.

hey ... do you guys know about brainwave synchronization audio?
has helped me alot with t-breaks...
also, for me aswagandha helps(herb), not to mention vitamins b and c

I'm a biohacker... I know all about binaural beats/rythems....had varying degrees of success, but overall dropped it for now. I've tried many adaptogens such as rhodiola ashwaganda with no success (can actually contribute to insomnia).

I was successful without sweats last night after changing my bedding, but it could also be because I sufficiently supplied my system with enough cannabinoids during the day. Just gonna keep journaling it and logging.

 

[Dawntreader]

@LongIslandmom and @biohacker : Your stories are very inspirational to me and motivational to remain a selective recreational user. I moderate my food and alcohol the same way. In the end, it is LIFE i want to be high on...everything else is just an enhancer~

Best to you both!

 

[biohacker]

Thanks @Dawntreader I moderate my food, and everything else in my life as well, but this one is the exception for whatever reason. Love your sig BTW! Funny, I consider myself to have strong willpower too, and the power of the mind and perception is huge, but damn...

 

[LongIslandmom]

Ok

Thanks @Dawntreader I moderate my food, and everything else in my life as well, but this one is the exception for whatever reason. Love your sig BTW! Funny, I consider myself to have strong willpower too, and the power of the mind and perception is huge, but damn...

Ok yal'll read the new thread on cooking with cannabis

I pulled some lower muscle in my back

I just tried some of my cannaoil oil very small amt

 

[Dawntreader]

Thanks @Dawntreader I moderate my food, and everything else in my life as well, but this one is the exception for whatever reason. Love your sig BTW! Funny, I consider myself to have strong willpower too, and the power of the mind and perception is huge, but damn...

@biohacker :

My sig line explains alot

I have strong will power too but could not quit smoking cigarettes this last time until i went for a vapor pen and started stepping down the nicotine %age. Is this what you are going to do to get down to a tbreak?

 

[Enchantre]

Thanks @Dawntreader I moderate my food, and everything else in my life as well, but this one is the exception for whatever reason. Love your sig BTW! Funny, I consider myself to have strong willpower too, and the power of the mind and perception is huge, but damn...

Have you ever considered that you might be somewhere on the Asperger's spectrum? If so, your endocannaboidal system may be naturally deficient in the goodies mj provides.
I only ask because I see some similarities between us, and I am on the AS spectrum... just enough that mj "normalizes" my life.

 

[adamm]

No, I tried to cut down but was unsuccessful. At this point i'm not sure what to do, but I know I do have to quit for a while...I think I must just be very weak minded or something.

Probably have an addictive nature, do you find yourself obsessing over things in general at all or in the past?

I believe cannabis is mentally addictive, just like chocolate can be to an obese person or shopping may be for a woman. For some people it can be intense mental addiction which could take over their lives. Personally I do not believe there is physical withdrawal symptoms and I think any issues that most probably have is that the mental addiction is still enough to create the physical withdrawal symptoms because obviously the mind is a powerful thing (just look at what depression etc can cause people to go through physically).

I think the goal would be to get over it mentally as best you can and the physical issues you are getting will also go with this.

 

[biohacker]

My sig line explains alot

I have strong will power too but could not quit smoking cigarettes this last time until i went for a vapor pen and started stepping down the nicotine %age. Is this what you are going to do to get down to a tbreak?

It sure does explain alot! Should I mention my addictions to sex, bacon, coffee, and beer too? lol Funny though, that as addicted as I can get to all these things, I can stop and only feel a bit of mental strain, but I can fight it, and that's it. I mean, it's very difficult for me to stop having sex for two weeks straight, or not have a beer for a month, or take a break from coffee or bacon for a couple of weeks, and it's not a problem. Even my addiction to lifting weights has some negative effects when I can't do it...but it's mostly just feeling blah, and feeling that I can't do something I want to. With weed, it's totally different for me!

Have you ever considered that you might be somewhere on the Asperger's spectrum?

Umm, no....but should I? lol I've had full medicals with intensive blood labs, sleep studies, echocardiograms, ecg, etc. etc. and the best the psych can come up with was a generalized anxiety disorder/mood disorder (yeah no shit when you don't sleep that happens).

If so, your endocannaboidal system may be naturally deficient in the goodies mj provides.

It's deficient because it's down right down regulated from all the incoming external cannabinoids. It has a massive effect on the entire system, especially powerful hormones like melatonin and anandamine. This is why it takes so long to get better after stopping use....it's the body basically waking up again and regulating itself.

I only ask because I see some similarities between us, and I am on the AS spectrum... just enough that mj "normalizes" my life.

To be honest I don't know anything about AS. But can relate as to how mj normalizes my life too. But I have a feeling I can be normal without it too. I just think i'm extremely dependent on it.

Probably have an addictive nature, do you find yourself obsessing over things in general at all or in the past?

THIS!!! I am hugely OCD in many aspects of my life with started very young. If I find something I like, it's all about that....I research like crazy before making decisions, purchases, etc. and i'm very fascinated by herbs and vaporizers, and am probably mentally addicted.

I believe cannabis is mentally addictive, just like chocolate can be to an obese person or shopping may be for a woman. For some people it can be intense mental addiction which could take over their lives. Personally I do not believe there is physical withdrawal symptoms and I think any issues that most probably have is that the mental addiction is still enough to create the physical withdrawal symptoms because obviously the mind is a powerful thing (just look at what depression etc can cause people to go through physically).

I think the goal would be to get over it mentally as best you can and the physical issues you are getting will also go with this.

Also I totally agree with you about being mentally addicted and manifesting physical symtoms, this has been debated in the thread. However there is no question in my mind after going through this so many times, that there are actual physical processes and changes occuring in the brain and entire body, and neurotransmitters get down regulated and effected in so many ways. Whether it's physical addition, or mental, it doesn't matter in my eyes. If you don't believe there are physical withdrawal symptoms, that's fine - but I live them....even if they start as mental. Weed kills pain....it's very easy to get addicted to these properties when you have an addictive personality.

 

[lwien]

If I find something I like, it's all about that....I research like crazy before making decisions, purchases, etc.

So glad I'm not the only one who does this.....................ALL THE TIME, but I never thought of it as a negative being that it's really kinda fun. A bit of a time sink though.

 

[chillersnov8p]

I've not had trouble when I leave home for an extended time but t breaks in my home environment haven't been vary successful. When I have taken them and returned to vaping my use shoots up again. Currently I'm having success with cutting down the daily usage. I feel like I'm on a mj diet. I still vape daily but by cutting out the morning sesh and waiting till late afternoon I'm cutting down my amount, increasing my clear headed time and enjoying stronger effects.

 

[adamm]

So glad I'm not the only one who does this.....................ALL THE TIME, but I never thought of it as a negative being that it's really kinda fun. A bit of a time sink though.

Yup I'm the same too lol, sometimes it can be annoying taking so long to choose/buy something that isn't really important though.

 

[Ansel]

and me!

this break is hard.

 

[Enchantre]

So glad I'm not the only one who does this.....................ALL THE TIME, but I never thought of it as a negative being that it's really kinda fun. A bit of a time sink though.

Not a negative at all! and, being on the AS spectrum is not, either.

However, @biohacker , my point was that you might have gone INTO using cannabis as a way to nourish your poor endocannabinoidal system (even if you weren't consciously aware of it), and, yes, we CAN function without, but it is harder than it needs to be.

I can function perfectly fine without coffee, cannabis, or chocolate. But, inside, I feel un-supported. Since I never tried cannabis until two years ago, I KNOW I can function without, but that was HARD. the OCD, the anxiety, and the AS combined, meant that I could never really relax, I always had to "perform" normally. I've gotten tired of acting "normal". Using mj, I FEEL "normal", in other words, I function with an ease, grace, and focus that emulates "normal", without the struggle.

Sure. If someone wants to call me an "addictive personality".. go ahead. The med is treating my issue. If I stop using, I'll have rebound... just like with any other supportive substance used to address functionality.

Stop beating yourself up if you are using it for medical purposes and you find it difficult to stop using it. @biohacker I'm looking at you... you are your own worst critic. Relax, cut yourself some slack, and try enjoying this life instead of hating yourself.

Yep, I'm going to let that statement stand, because self-hate is a big part of my anxiety/OCD issues, and if it isn't yours, you are well blessed.

 

[RUDE BOY]

Not a negative at all! and, being on the AS spectrum is not, either.

However, @biohacker , my point was that you might have gone INTO using cannabis as a way to nourish your poor endocannabinoidal system (even if you weren't consciously aware of it), and, yes, we CAN function without, but it is harder than it needs to be.

I can function perfectly fine without coffee, cannabis, or chocolate. But, inside, I feel un-supported. Since I never tried cannabis until two years ago, I KNOW I can function without, but that was HARD. the OCD, the anxiety, and the AS combined, meant that I could never really relax, I always had to "perform" normally. I've gotten tired of acting "normal". Using mj, I FEEL "normal", in other words, I function with an ease, grace, and focus that emulates "normal", without the struggle.

Sure. If someone wants to call me an "addictive personality".. go ahead. The med is treating my issue. If I stop using, I'll have rebound... just like with any other supportive substance used to address functionality.

Stop beating yourself up if you are using it for medical purposes and you find it difficult to stop using it. @biohacker I'm looking at you... you are your own worst critic. Relax, cut yourself some slack, and try enjoying this life instead of hating yourself.

Yep, I'm going to let that statement stand, because self-hate is a big part of my anxiety/OCD issues, and if it isn't yours, you are well blessed.

Well stated Lady E. I kept thinking along the same lines but couldn't keep it sounding kind or helpful when I replied so i kept deleting what i was gonna post. You said much of what i was thinking with grace and style.

 

[Ansel]

I had severe OCD for 3 years of being without cannabis - it just got worse and worse. So i tried vaping for 2 years after that just 1 vape a day on a iolite and it really helped. but since doing a little bit of travelling i fell back into smoking it and then doing both. And since this sudden t-break i'm wondering whether to just not smoke it at all even if it is smoking just 3 joints a day and then vaping instead i think i should just fck combustion as i feel this the healthy option.

 

[Dawntreader]

It sure does explain alot! Should I mention my addictions to sex, bacon, coffee, and beer too? lol Funny though, that as addicted as I can get to all these things, I can stop and only feel a bit of mental strain, but I can fight it, and that's it. I mean, it's very difficult for me to stop having sex for two weeks straight, or not have a beer for a month, or take a break from coffee or bacon for a couple of weeks, and it's not a problem. Even my addiction to lifting weights has some negative effects when I can't do it...but it's mostly just feeling blah, and feeling that I can't do something I want to. With weed, it's totally different for me!

I think many people can relate to my sig line "hobbies" I am not addicted to any of them but i hate to do without them and sex trumps them all for the endorphins... so i could give up just about any of the rest before that one!LOL!


Truly, i never thought people could become addicted to weed til this thread brought it to my attention. I have known several people quite dependant on it but never considered they might be addicted. My current lover being one of them...30 and literally "smokes" or vapes all day, every day - working or playing... he cant even enjoy the butter i make because his tolerance is so high I can see where protecting my low tolerance now is crucial for my mindset and wallet. I am forewarned


I really believe you can do this @biohacker because you want to and you will find a way to master the drug

THIS!!! I am hugely OCD in many aspects of my life with started very young. If I find something I like, it's all about that....I research like crazy before making decisions, purchases, etc. and i'm very fascinated by herbs and vaporizers, and am probably mentally addicted.

I see this in my mirror too

Also I totally agree with you about being mentally addicted and manifesting physical symtoms, this has been debated in the thread. However there is no question in my mind after going through this so many times, that there are actual physical processes and changes occuring in the brain and entire body, and neurotransmitters get down regulated and effected in so many ways. Whether it's physical addition, or mental, it doesn't matter in my eyes. If you don't believe there are physical withdrawal symptoms, that's fine - but I live them....even if they start as mental. Weed kills pain....it's very easy to get addicted to these properties when you have an addictive personality.

So glad I'm not the only one who does this.....................ALL THE TIME, but I never thought of it as a negative being that it's really kinda fun. A bit of a time sink though.

Agreed on all points @lwien

 

[biohacker]

Stop beating yourself up if you are using it for medical purposes and you find it difficult to stop using it. @biohacker I'm looking at you... you are your own worst critic. Relax, cut yourself some slack, and try enjoying this life instead of hating yourself.

I think you have me completely misunderstood, something was lost in translation. My predominant issue here are the horrible night sweats I experience which are related to perhaps excessive consumption. I used to only experience them on withdrawal (horribly), and still do, but now i'm getting them pretty much all the time. I'm struggling mentally to find a balance, and also abstain for a period of 2 weeks minimum.

I totally agree with all your pants on the endocannabinoid system, and think it totally applies to me. Where my issues lie now, are the negative aspects of the herb...just like side effects of pharma drugs, but not even as close to as bad. Just trying to get some balance, and this thread is definitely helping get me back on track.

 

[chillersnov8p]

Interesting article http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/course-marijuana-addiction-exists-92763/

 

[Ansel]

i believe my brain now needs it's endocannibinoid system stimulated through vaping or smoking after 20 years of use. much like a cigarette smoker might need nicotine still.

 

[basement farmer]

i believe my brain now needs it's endocannibinoid system stimulated through vaping or smoking after 20 years of use. much like a cigarette smoker might need nicotine still.

This makes perfect/reasonable sense.

My analogy would be caffiene. Years of coffee and tea consumption has lead me to a point that I'm physically dependent on it to feel 'normal'. It's not an addiction in the sense that I have to have it, or even have much of it, but my outlook improves dramatically with at least some every day. Coffee jitters are something I never experience. Come to think of it, I find it hard to react strongly to any pharmacalogical substance...I have a liver of steel apparently.

I've noticed that with my fairly regular use of cannabis I don't sleep very soundly when I have to go a day or two without. Part of it is pain related, but equally related to it is probably the sedative effect.

Tolerence is a bitch.

 

[Ansel]

From my 3 year quit i found yes the night sweats and insomnia go away but for me personally the emptiness in my life was the worst part of it and never improved!

from being on placebo i now know what vaping does to me and i want it to do it again... soon! lol

not sure if this helps anyone... OSHO...

 

[grokit]

i believe my brain now needs it's endocannibinoid system stimulated through vaping or smoking after 20 years of use. much like a cigarette smoker might need nicotine still.

My analogy would be caffiene. Years of coffee and tea consumption has lead me to a point that I'm physically dependent on it to feel 'normal'. It's not an addiction in the sense that I have to have it, or even have much of it, but my outlook improves dramatically with at least some every day. Coffee jitters are something I never experience. Come to think of it, I find it hard to react strongly to any pharmacalogical substance...I have a liver of steel apparently.

I've noticed that with my fairly regular use of cannabis I don't sleep very soundly when I have to go a day or two without. Part of it is pain related, but equally related to it is probably the sedative effect.

Tolerence is a bitch.

Caffeine tolerance can be reset to virgin in seven days of cold turkey from all sources (not just coffee). I've done it a few times, and typically need to take some aspirin around day 3/4 for headaches. Your tolerance doubles every day you drink coffee, so once you reset you will need two cups the 2nd day, and four cups the 3rd day etc to get the same effect as one cup on day one.

For myself it takes about a month with weed, I have to be very careful with it when I start up again.

 

[Ansel]

hey all not sure what happened in so few hours but i had a shower and woke the heck up maybe will switch to two showers a day. my head is clear. i don't feel damaged by weed. but... what's keeping me going is the thought of getting some.

You know i needed this break and i am saving a packet (of money). I think i can keep going without a little more and when i come back to it i could vape once a day or 5 times a day or something... if i can get hold of some polm which is a lot cheaper.


Only problem i have right now is that i can't get any sleep tonight so far. Been drinking tea like crazy not quite as enjoyable when you haven't got the munchies.

Music "therapy" has helped (a lot)

 

[Ansel]

Ok despite what i have said i am now taking an extended tolerance break indefinitely... back on the cigarettes now... the big pharma medication i am on was interacting with the weed and i had insomnia for about a week most nights. The cigarettes are like an antidepressant. So i am nearly 7 days off it. Take care all.

It was too expensive for me and hard to get.

 

[biohacker]

Dude, that's awesome! Worst is behind you, and I am following your example and going cold turkey myself! So today is my last day, and then like you indefinite, but minimum 2 weeks and then more sporadic use. I'm looking forward to my new life! lol