Gyre Vapes

[Gyre]

Where are you based? Do you or your partner have any existing experience with product design/development?
Just generally curious, as I'm sure others will be. The process is fairly unforgiving, but it's always interesting.
I think this might be a good place to start, it really depends on the amount of capital you require to get started though.

How far along is the prototyping process? Have you built initial samples or how many iterations?

I think this is really the most telling aspect when it comes to future success, this industry is ripe with great theory and bad practices. There's room for more contenders for sure, but I would stress getting the mechanical and electrical design dialled in practice before scaling up small problems into huge ones. It's a common and easy mistake to make.

Florida, my partner is an engineer and I have experience with design and sales. Honestly, it's been a fun process creating it and solving problems that were thought to be impossible. It's hard to say right now the exact amount we need but I can tell you we need enough money for a successful marketing campaign, mass production (hiring a good manufacturing and production company), and other variables.

I am receiving the last prototype next week, this will be the 5th prototype. The first three were 3D printed and functional, the last two were from the intended material (aluminum). And this is the third iteration since the first design.

In all sincerity, the only issue I am having is overheating on the outside. We tried fixing that issue with silicone padding on the inside but it's not as effective as I would like it to be.

 

[cptofnthng]

I can only speak for myself, but marketing wise i prefer no bold (and most of the time ridiculous) claims like "the Future of the vape industry". Let the device speak for itself. I doubt tbh youre very deep inside the industry If you havent had contact with fuckcombustion before.
Then again, it seems even very shitty vapes Like Gpen can be commercially successful.

I heard jerry saying in one of the latest Videos that there has been a demand for a pen style dry herb vape for forever, the Grasshopper failed to deliever.

I would check my vapes performance against the top tier of available commercial and artisan vapes. If that comparison works in your favor, you have a good shot. For example non removable 18650 is rather oldschool now. There would be stronger batteries available or vapes that offer removing them.
Good luck.

 

[MoltenTiger]

Florida, my partner is an engineer and I have experience with design and sales. Honestly, it's been a fun process creating it and solving problems that were thought to be impossible. It's hard to say right now the exact amount we need but I can tell you we need enough money for a successful marketing campaign, mass production (hiring a good manufacturing and production company), and other variables.

I am receiving the last prototype next week, this will be the 5th prototype. The first three were 3D printed and functional, the last two were from the intended material (aluminum). And this is the third iteration since the first design.

In all sincerity, the only issue I am having is overheating on the outside. We tried fixing that issue with silicone padding on the inside but it's not as effective as I would like it to be.

Well that sounds quite promising, nice work.

Looking forward to seeing more info.

Overall dimensions would be good to note, although the 18650 battery size means it can be reasonably estimated. Just how much it flares out to accommodate the triple chambers, as well as each chambers volume would be interesting to know.

As well I think it would be worth showing/describing the chamber set up (ie. Modular, universal oil/herb, or one or the other or both). And heater dynamic, convection/conduction/hybrid etc.

For external heat, you will either need adequate insulation, which will assist vaporisation efficiency/rate, or you could use an external sleeve, like a wooden section or silicone cover.

It would also be worth considering/showing/describing any cooling solution/option. ie. Internal vapour path maze, water pipe adapter fitting (tapered 14mm VonG essential IMO).

In terms of scaling up, it is tricky calculus. I would think pre-selling X units that necessitates the revenue to produce X products could be the way to go, ie. start small and iron out creases early, before going too big.

It's also tricky gauging all the necessary costs and teething issues without an already established manufacturing partner. This stage is where many get into hot water too fast and struggle to keep up.

Make sure you focus much of the engineering on simplifying assembly and controlling for wear and tear issues after the fact. Eg. The USB C connector, I would recommend using a part SMD part TH design there.


Also re: non-removeable battery. Not a good choice as this is an immediate dealbreaker for some users. It's more important to have swappable batteries than pre-filled multi chambers. Though both are an interesting combo.

Consider the Haze Square, which failed and brought down a business. It was a multichamber vape produced by a renowned company at the time, with several successful precursor products.

The Grasshopper is also interesting to consider, a first attempt product by a small inexperienced team.

There is a lot to pour over in this scene, and I don't think there is a golden standard as to how to make it work besides, simple, repeatable, scalable design.
Good luck!

 

[invertedisdead]

if you’re trying to sell a patent you might want to at least put a link to it, to prove that it’s granted and show what it protects.

 

[Arawfish]

I would love to know about these problems which were thought impossible, but were solved? Again, lots of lofty claims like this in the industry.

I’m curious what your personal experience is with Dry Herb Vapes? Which devices have you used or owned? And how would you compare their performance to your current iteration.

 

[GoldenBud]

if you really have a patent, try selling it to a big company. you will get money and skip the headache of manufacturing and supplying etc
what's your patent, anyway? mechanical patent? thermal? which kind

 

[Die_Toffifee]

what's your patent, anyway?

Something futuristic it seems.

 

[GoldenBud]

metalic injector 10mm

 

[Gyre]

I can only speak for myself, but marketing wise i prefer no bold (and most of the time ridiculous) claims like "the Future of the vape industry". Let the device speak for itself. I doubt tbh youre very deep inside the industry If you havent had contact with fuckcombustion before.
Then again, it seems even very shitty vapes Like Gpen can be commercially successful.

I heard jerry saying in one of the latest Videos that there has been a demand for a pen style dry herb vape for forever, the Grasshopper failed to deliever.

I would check my vapes performance against the top tier of available commercial and artisan vapes. If that comparison works in your favor, you have a good shot. For example non removable 18650 is rather oldschool now. There would be stronger batteries available or vapes that offer removing them.
Good luck.

My intentions weren't to be bold and ridiculous I was simply trying to get the attention of people. This is my first time on a forum so I wasn't sure how to title it without sounding boring. (I'll make sure to keep that in mind for my next posts) so thank you for that. It would be awesome if I could be that company to finally deliver the pen-style dry herb everyone has been anticipating. I realized from the feedback that I should make it removable and that's what we intend on doing now. Thank you for your valuable feedback, it is appreciated.

Well that sounds quite promising, nice work.

Looking forward to seeing more info.

Overall dimensions would be good to note, although the 18650 battery size means it can be reasonably estimated. Just how much it flares out to accommodate the triple chambers, as well as each chambers volume would be interesting to know.

As well I think it would be worth showing/describing the chamber set up (ie. Modular, universal oil/herb, or one or the other or both). And heater dynamic, convection/conduction/hybrid etc.

For external heat, you will either need adequate insulation, which will assist vaporisation efficiency/rate, or you could use an external sleeve, like a wooden section or silicone cover.

It would also be worth considering/showing/describing any cooling solution/option. ie. Internal vapour path maze, water pipe adapter fitting (tapered 14mm VonG essential IMO).

In terms of scaling up, it is tricky calculus. I would think pre-selling X units that necessitates the revenue to produce X products could be the way to go, ie. start small and iron out creases early, before going too big.

It's also tricky gauging all the necessary costs and teething issues without an already established manufacturing partner. This stage is where many get into hot water too fast and struggle to keep up.

Make sure you focus much of the engineering on simplifying assembly and controlling for wear and tear issues after the fact. Eg. The USB C connector, I would recommend using a part SMD part TH design there.


Also re: non-removeable battery. Not a good choice as this is an immediate dealbreaker for some users. It's more important to have swappable batteries than pre-filled multi chambers. Though both are an interesting combo.

Consider the Haze Square, which failed and brought down a business. It was a multichamber vape produced by a renowned company at the time, with several successful precursor products.

The Grasshopper is also interesting to consider, a first attempt product by a small inexperienced team.

There is a lot to pour over in this scene, and I don't think there is a golden standard as to how to make it work besides, simple, repeatable, scalable design.
Good luck!

Thank you, the support and advice are much appreciated. In the next few weeks I'll upload all that information, right now we're just waiting to receive it. I'll be honest some of the stuff you mentioned in there sounded like hieroglyphics which means I gotta do more research.

I look forward to updating everyone along the process.

I would love to know about these problems which were thought impossible, but were solved? Again, lots of lofty claims like this in the industry.

I’m curious what your personal experience is with Dry Herb Vapes? Which devices have you used or owned? And how would you compare their performance to your current iteration.

Absolutely, the main problem most engineering and manufacturing companies had was that they said a rotatable mouthpiece with 3 chambers could not be done, due to connection implications. My only experience prior to building it was just smoking them lol. I've used PAX, Gpen, and Cloud vapes. I would def say mine isn't to par just yet but it's really close. In the sense of the overheating issue and not properly heating the inside substance. It will def create some vapor but it over heats too fast.

if you really have a patent, try selling it to a big company. you will get money and skip the headache of manufacturing and supplying etc
what's your patent, anyway? mechanical patent? thermal? which kind

I have been trying to reach out to big companies but no one responds to my emails. Do you have any advice on how I can get in touch with them effectively? I'm about to get the link from my attorney for the patent, right now I only have the physical one (booklet)

 

[Razhumikin]

My intentions weren't to be bold and ridiculous I was simply trying to get the attention of people. This is my first time on a forum so I wasn't sure how to title it without sounding boring. (I'll make sure to keep that in mind for my next posts) so thank you for that. It would be awesome if I could be that company to finally deliver the pen-style dry herb everyone has been anticipating. I realized from the feedback that I should make it removable and that's what we intend on doing now. Thank you for your valuable feedback, it is appreciated.


Thank you, the support and advice are much appreciated. In the next few weeks I'll upload all that information, right now we're just waiting to receive it. I'll be honest some of the stuff you mentioned in there sounded like hieroglyphics which means I gotta do more research.

I look forward to updating everyone along the process.


Absolutely, the main problem most engineering and manufacturing companies had was that they said a rotatable mouthpiece with 3 chambers could not be done, due to connection implications. My only experience prior to building it was just smoking them lol. I've used PAX, Gpen, and Cloud vapes. I would def say mine isn't to par just yet but it's really close. In the sense of the overheating issue and not properly heating the inside substance. It will def create some vapor but it over heats too fast.


I have been trying to reach out to big companies but no one responds to my emails. Do you have any advice on how I can get in touch with them effectively? I'm about to get the link from my attorney for the patent, right now I only have the physical one (booklet)

If yours isnt up to par with the gpen and pax, vapes that are widely ridiculed here for being low quality, i would say you should spend some time on here and do some more research on what passes for cutting-edge and desirable in this community. I would recommend looking into Cloud Connesouir, Couchlog, Firewood, Lamart, and Morwood to get you started.

 

[Gyre]

If yours isnt up to par with the gpen and pax, vapes that are widely ridiculed here for being low quality, i would say you should spend some time on here and do some more research on what passes for cutting-edge and desirable in this community. I would recommend looking into Cloud Connesouir, Couchlog, Firewood, Lamart, and Morwood to get you started.

Not yet it isn't and it won't be. The goal is to exceed those companies not be on par with them, I meant it when I said the future of the vaping industry. All it takes for that is capital and understanding. We don't intend on putting a poor-quality product out on the market. That's why I'm on this forum, yours and everyone's feedback is valuable and will make all the difference. Thank you for your honest feedback and suggestions, I peaked at those companies and they have beautiful design.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Not yet it isn't and it won't be. The goal is to exceed those companies not be on par with them, I meant it when I said the future of the vaping industry. All it takes for that is capital and understanding. We don't intend on putting a poor-quality product out on the market. That's why I'm on this forum, yours and everyone's feedback is valuable and will make all the difference. Thank you for your honest feedback and suggestions, I peaked at those companies and they have beautiful design.

Yeah you did mention the Aero earlier and I can see how this could be similar as a smaller version with three chambers and a replaceable 18650, hybrid convection conduction extraction? As long as it can be kept simple and pure, could be very effective I think, good useful design with good improvements... The problem with the body getting too hot during use though is a classic one, one of the biggest issues with the old thermovape T1 (worth looking up, total pioneer for on demand vaping like mflb, but pure convection) and the newer grasshopper too, along with the actual vapor itself being too hot, so you need some sort of cooling pathway... Good luck, looking forward to your progress, perhaps you will be able to connect with one of the other larger manufacturers here by messaging those that are active? (like vivant or other)

 

[Cheebsy]

I'm sorry if this feels disparaging, but this is a huge red flag to any serious vaporists...

My only experience prior to building it was just smoking them lol.

We don't smoke with vapes, we vape with them!

Have you tried what the community generally feel is the top end of portable vaporisers? The tinymight? If you're aiming for the top, you'd better be very aware of what your potential competitors are capable of! There is also the tp80, which isn't easy to get hold of, or the taffee bowle which sounds similar to yours in terms of build materials.

From my perspective, I would be put off by the aluminium, the silicone, and the battery which you've said you would address, thats before knowing anything else about the vapour path and the heating style.

Fwiw, to be considered the best in this field you'll need to be convection heavy, if not 100%, and have a super powerful heater that can extract quickly, otherwise you'll end up being part of the wannabe best like so many others.

 

[Gyre]

Yeah you did mention the Aero earlier and I can see how this could be similar as a smaller version with three chambers and a replaceable 18650, hybrid convection conduction extraction? As long as it can be kept simple and pure, could be very effective I think, good useful design with good improvements... The problem with the body getting too hot during use though is a classic one, one of the biggest issues with the old thermovape T1 (worth looking up, total pioneer for on demand vaping like mflb, but pure convection) and the newer grasshopper too, along with the actual vapor itself being too hot, so you need some sort of cooling pathway... Good luck, looking forward to your progress, perhaps you will be able to connect with one of the other larger manufacturers here by messaging those that are active? (like vivant or other)

The battery now will be replaceable, the heating I would still like to figure out which would be best since it's intended for all substances (dry herb, nicotine, wax, oil) Im sure I would need different coils and atomizers. Right now I only use ceramic. Someone here suggested using wood for the over heating issue.

I'm sorry if this feels disparaging, but this is a huge red flag to any serious vaporists...


We don't smoke with vapes, we vape with them!

Have you tried what the community generally feel is the top end of portable vaporisers? The tinymight? If you're aiming for the top, you'd better be very aware of what your potential competitors are capable of! There is also the tp80, which isn't easy to get hold of, or the taffee bowle which sounds similar to yours in terms of build materials.

From my perspective, I would be put off by the aluminium, the silicone, and the battery which you've said you would address, thats before knowing anything else about the vapour path and the heating style.

Fwiw, to be considered the best in this field you'll need to be convection heavy, if not 100%, and have a super powerful heater that can extract quickly, otherwise you'll end up being part of the wannabe best like so many others.

You got it all wrong, I'm not trying to belittle anyone, vape enthusiast, or this community. I'm just being sincere I'm not some professional vape engineer, I'm just a kid who had a great idea and acted on it. I just joined this forum not even 24 hours ago, I don't understand why some people on this thread are tryna bash me for seeking out ways to improve. (not saying you are, but others)

I looked at the Taffee bowl its really neat. Super futuristic and simplistic. Do you recommend any material besides aluminum? So youre saying being convection heavy and a powerful heater that extracts quickly would be optimal? All of the parts are molded not outsourced, do you think its id be able to create something like that for the size of my vape?

 

[Shit Snacks]

The battery now will be replaceable, the heating I would still like to figure out which would be best since it's intended for all substances (dry herb, nicotine, wax, oil) Im sure I would need different coils and atomizers. Right now I only use ceramic. Someone here suggested using wood for the over heating issue.

Yes I saw that, it is best to focus on one, most devices cannot do it all, at all, they require such different things, for example liquid nicotine is extremely different than any dry herb thing, you have to focus on the dry herb part (like with convection, you can just load liquids into rayon or another material to vape, can then do wax and oil concentrates too, but the focus would be convection dry herb) I'm also not really sure what you mean by ceramic, that's just a material, not descriptive of anything else, there are ceramic e-cig heaters that also have metal coils as the actual heating element, most are way underpowered for any dry herb use, part of what sucked so much about the original Gpen, it was just a basic nicotine e-cig that they claimed could vape herbs and weed oils effectively (let alone how unsafe it was) and yeah wood is not going to solve all your problems though it is commonly used in a variety of ways in many vapes...

Do you recommend any material besides aluminum? So youre saying being convection heavy and a powerful heater that extracts quickly would be optimal?

Stainless steel is more sought after, titanium is a great option of course, and yeah convection tends to be favorable for better vapor quality with dry herbs and more versatility, most are capable to extract other materials if you have a way to contain them, convection requires a powerful heater generally, you want to be able to extract quickly, especially with a small amount especially at upper temps, but you want to be able to tame it down too, so you can load more and use lower temps, smaller hits to make it last longer on the go (if you have three chambers loaded though they may not need to last super long per se)

 

[Gyre]

Yes I saw that, it is best to focus on one, most devices cannot do it all, at all, they require such different things, for example liquid nicotine is extremely different than any dry herb thing, you have to focus on the dry herb part (like with convection, you can just load liquids into rayon or another material to vape, can then do wax and oil concentrates too, but the focus would be convection dry herb) I'm also not really sure what you mean by ceramic, that's just a material, not descriptive of anything else, there are ceramic e-cig heaters that also have metal coils as the actual heating element, most are way underpowered for any dry herb use, part of what sucked so much about the original Gpen, it was just a basic nicotine e-cig that they claimed could vape herbs and weed oils effectively (let alone how unsafe it was) and yeah wood is not going to solve all your problems though it is commonly used in a variety of ways in many vapes...



Stainless steel is more sought after, titanium is a great option of course, and yeah convection tends to be favorable for better vapor quality with dry herbs and more versatility, most are capable to extract other materials if you have a way to contain them, convection requires a powerful heater generally, you want to be able to extract quickly, especially with a small amount especially at upper temps, but you want to be able to tame it down too, so you can load more and use lower temps, smaller hits to make it last longer on the go (if you have three chambers loaded though they may not need to last super long per se)

This is why I would love to partner up or sell it to someone knowledgeable in this field. I just have to get connected to the right manufacturing and production company. Thank you for the celestial insight, I am taking notes and going to make sure I deliver an awesome product you guys can enjoy.

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

it is best to focus on one, most devices cannot do it all, at all, they require such different things, for example liquid nicotine is extremely different than any dry herb thing, you have to focus on the dry herb part

Yeah this was my first thought as well and it instantly diminished my interest. it's hard enough to release a single focus vape that performs on competitive level, let alone one that tries to do that with several types of product. The e liquid being the obvious outlier, but dry herb and wax/oil combo's can't even bring something that performs equally well with both - and on a top tier level yet (that I know of)

 

[jasp3r]

As far as I'm concerned: Nicotine products + Any Nicotine related marketing should be as far as possible from dry herb vapes. (A la PACT act)

Also I really hate to be critical, but this looks like someone got high and and tried to combine their DTV5, Ecig, and Splinter ontop of a 510 pen battery.

Being able to do all three things is a gimmick. There are a couple vapes that already do that and do each of the 3 subpar pretty much.

Also judging by the looks of the device, are there only going to be a few power modes? Because Wax vapes way higher than herb does and nictotine/ejuice is a whole different game.

My advice, stick to just oil or herb. Try to master one of them first before the others.

 

[staircase slight of hand]

I meant it when I said the future of the vaping industry. All it takes for that is capital and understanding.

Respectfully, what is it that you’re bringing to the table? From this thread it’s clear that you’re seeking capital, and also needing understanding. What’s your contribution? What is the patented idea that no one else has had?

 

[Gyre]

As far as I'm concerned: Nicotine products + Any Nicotine related marketing should be as far as possible from dry herb vapes. (A la PACT act)

Also I really hate to be critical, but this looks like someone got high and and tried to combine their DTV5, Ecig, and Splinter ontop of a 510 pen battery.

Being able to do all three things is a gimmick. There are a couple vapes that already do that and do each of the 3 subpar pretty much.

Also judging by the looks of the device, are there only going to be a few power modes? Because Wax vapes way higher than herb does and nictotine/ejuice is a whole different game.

My advice, stick to just oil or herb. Try to master one of them first before the others.

That's the beauty of this device it will do what others haven't done. And no one can say "well it probably hasn't been done for a good reason". I'll never know unless I try. No matter what vape you look at, they all look like mad science created them when they were high lol. As of now I have not seen a vape on the market that does what this one does, they don't rotate like this one does (gun revolver style) it has 3 heat setting modes and you can increase the temperature by increments of 10. But I agree, for the first model I think I will stick to dry herb until I get enough capital to tackle all other substances.

 

[staircase slight of hand]

And no one can say "well it probably hasn't been done for a good reason".

I’m case jasp3r wasn’t clear enough: you’re at least aware of the PACT act and how it will affect your device, correct?

 

[Gyre]

Respectfully, what is it that you’re bringing to the table? From this thread it’s clear that you’re seeking capital, and also needing understanding. What’s your contribution? What is the patented idea that no one else has had?

I bring a device that hasnt been made that allows the users variety. Yes, I was upfront about needing capital and advice. My contribution in what sense? I've spent over 2 years developing this product with my friend and put a lot of my own money into this. Now it's clear that im no expert, im just a hard working guy whos tryna figure it out, and the fact that im on this forum trying to collect information to better my invention says that. The patent is for a handheld vaporizer with interchangeable/rotational chambers and substances.

I’m case jasp3r wasn’t clear enough: you’re at least aware of the PACT act and how it will affect your device, correct?

Yes, the PACT Act Amendment prohibits sellers from using the U.S. Post Office to ship e-cigarettes, vapes, flavored and smokeless tobacco products. The PACT Act applies to all shipments in interstate commerce (15 U.S.C. § 376) as well as to all delivery sales.

But there is always a way, and I will find that way as long as it's ethical and legal.

 

[cptofnthng]

Well its a bold endeavor that should be supported, but you know seemingly little about that what you plan on making. Before you invest any more money (or material), a smart thing perhaps could be to learn a lot more about it. There is plenty of knowledge and DIY projects to be found in this forum. Selfmade logs, glass vapes, 510 vapes, ball vapes, printed vapes, crafted vapes etc, etc. Once you get a feeling of what high end users like those dubious nerds to be found on this forum really dig, you come back and read your post again and you will understand some of the comments here

 

[staircase slight of hand]

My contribution in what sense?

I guess my question comes down to “what do you actually have?”. Has your patent been granted, or simply applied for? If it’s the latter, I’d want to know what separates your device from previous lackluster all-in-ones.

Like, for the dry herb functionality, what other dry herb vapes do you have experience with, and do you feel that your prototype outperforms those reference vapes? Same question goes for wax.

Basically, this isn’t a new idea (Chinese vape manufacturers love the all in one idea), it’s one with a long history of failures. If you haven’t reckoned with that history, you’re setting yourself up to repeat it.

 

[Shit Snacks]

guess my question comes down to “what do you actually have?”. Has your patent been granted, or simply applied for? If it’s the latter, I’d want to know what separates your device from previous lackluster all-in-ones

By the way they actually did say earlier they are getting a link or whatever to the actual patent for sharing so we can see it soon