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Ghost MV-1 Speculation and Shipping Thread
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skyvaper
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Sorry if my post was confusing. My experience with using a liquid pad with my mighty makes a locking lid on the crucible an unnecessary feature for mr.
Baron23
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Who the F knows?....neither you nor me nor anyone else except Bud at this point, yeah?
So, why all the question marks...indicating skepticism...based on what exactly?
Do you have some reason to think that Bud is a liar or is this peremptory criticism?
I'm throwing the BS flag on this. Not because you are not right. You are. IMO, EVERY "full convective" vape has some degree of conduction as EVERY vape has a chamber that gets hot. EVERY one.
The BS flag is for you throwing this out there like you just discovered some great conspiracy to screw you over. Wow...yes, it has will have some degree of conduction...as will an Enano (for example) once the glass chamber end of the stem gets hot (and it can get screaming hot if left on the heater).
Ok, I'm out of here.
All - I suppose my parting thought is that if you, for whatever reason, are convinced that Bud and Ghost are scamming you....don't buy one. Simple. But this character assassination and war of innuendo (ooooh, it will have some degree of conduction
) has been going on for page after page and is totally undeserved and frankly does not really reflect well on some members. Let me add, please, that if this vape is a great disappointment (to me, another FF2) then I will be the first one to castigate Bud and Ghost, both harshly and loudly. But until then, this ad hoc criticism is just back bench tomato throwing to me. Yeah, the usual answer of "but that's what we do on this board, we share insight and experience" which is completely true. But this bashing has been going on for a long time over many posts. At this point, I personally think there is nothing valid that can be said until we get it in our hands and use it.
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look, the vc revamped his whole website, ratings and all, to boost interest in the ghost. in my opinion, it's shady. and btw, regarding his ban from fc, he stated on his website that he, the vc has not, and would never ban anyone on his site because of critisism. total lie! I gave my honest opinion and yep, he banned me. lol like I care. it's just that he's a total fraud.
GreenHopper
20 going on 60
Maybe so but it's been stated as @Baron23 points out, page after page. It's a circular argument as no one has the vape yet so there is little to no real world independent experience.
Personally I'm not a fan of the design because it doesn't meet my needs and the total cost of ownership seems a tad high for me.
However I'm curious about how it's going to perform.
Hopefully the delay is because they are amending a few of the more glaringly obvious design flaws.
But who the fuck knows?
Also in my view if the factory cause a high number of failures I still see that as VC's responsibility as he's not just putting his name against a design but a product and thus the company delivering it. Tight QC is a vital part of the process that any vape company worth backing must be able to implement.
VC's credibility may be on shaky ground with some but it's solid for others and somewhere in between for the rest. However one thing that can be said is, he's going all in on this one. He's gotta have some belief in the end product or else he's risking it all for nothing.
Here's hoping it's a great vape so that everyone wins
A large degree of conduction. Way more than our Volcano's. Ghost claims "true convection" which ironically, isn't exactly true. Now, of course there will always be some form of conduction apparent, period. But things can be designed to minimize such. Zirconia would make an excellent crucible in a convection vaporizer, as it has extremely poor thermal conductivity. Perfect for minimizing conduction. Minimizing conduction is going to be essential for retaining flavor throughout the load, especially for people who just like to take a puff or two and return to the bowl later. Ghost claims "Our On-Demand technology ensures that the removable crucible remains cool between vapes, preventing material degradation and allowing for multiple sessions" and that's just not true that the alumina crucible will remain cool between use. In fact, it's a crock of shit!
The fact is, alumina ceramic is more than 1000% more conductive than zirconia, so it's not just "a tit better" at approximating "true convection."
It's not a conspiracy, it's just my point that these vaporizer designers don't do much research and development. Especially when they ask for hype prices with cheap ass "medical grade" materials.
GreenHopper
20 going on 60
With the GrassHopper I find the native mouthpiece has to be cooled off towards the end of a hit. I do this by continuing my draw after I've disengaged the heating element.
Maybe that's how one is supposed to keep the crucible cool? Fact is, we just don't know what this Vapes signature and best use technique is yet as it's so early.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just positing the idea that the crucible could be air cooled by the end of a draw to reduce the build up of heat between hits in the crucible.
I'm just playing devils advocate here.
Maybe that's how one is supposed to keep the crucible cool? Fact is, we just don't know what this Vapes signature and best use technique is yet as it's so early.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just positing the idea that the crucible could be air cooled by the end of a draw to reduce the build up of heat between hits in the crucible.
I'm just playing devils advocate here.
bryancross
Member
Ya it is, Bud shows this while using it in the follow up video. He takes a dry haul and shows that if it gets a little hot you can literally just open it and blow on it for a second and the heat is dissipated.
Maybe zirconia is more expensive than alumina, maybe it didn't fit the design or had a conflict with something else? Not saying it doesn't cause conduction... but man, it really seems like you don't want this vape to work on some kind of personal level. You keep saying there isn't R & D, but do you know how much research is involved? Do you design herbal vaporizers?
Who knows maybe it's gonna be shit, but you haven't seen or spoken with one person who has even used it let alone yourself and you insist on absolutely crapping on this thing. I think the marketing could be handled differently, they made a mistake when paying off / working with Bud. There are obviously some key features which could use improving, but again just don't understand why you seem personally angry. Maybe instead of saying the same thing over and over and over, you could say something constructive like what you'd prefer to use... if you're getting it or not getting it and why ect.
I consider myself more of a researcher, studying vaporizers; but I do have some vaporizer designs.
I've posted useful information in this thread to help less experienced vaporists see through some of the hype and marketing claims. Because there's a LOT of it. Constructive criticism is always based on perspective - my comments are only intended to help create a better vaporizer, not to be taken personally in an emotional manner.
bryancross
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Fair enough, I guess.
I agree with you. Bud wouldn't have designed this vape with so many obvious flaws, shit I wouldn't lol. But do you think he would put his rep on the line like that? At the end of this is not on par with at least the Mighty then his credibility is destroyed.
he didn't design the vape. btw, he has already trashed his reputation I use to like his HONEST, impartial reviews, no more. he surely sold out.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Only with those that gave him credibility in the first place but even with them, a few well-crafted words along with some humble pie should be able to restore it no time. Words like, "Upon further reflection and in-depth testing of the final product after it left it's prototype stage, I believe that I was a but too enthusiastic in my comparisons against other vaporizers. While I still believe that the Ghost is one of the best vapes on the market, I have no doubt that others will feel that other vapes are the best for them, and their opinions, in all honesty, is just as valid as mine."
Credibility restored.
Def not with me, this whole thing has gotten more strange as time went on, there is no reason this isn't in the hand of other top reviewers. At first I saw Bud as a reviewer but now he is a pitchman and there is nothing wrong with him being a pitchman, it's just that as a consumer you should take what he says with a grain of salt
lwien
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Yup, just like you should take all reviewers with a grain of salt if they have links to retailers on their site. They may "say" that they are objective, but with the inherent conflict of interest that's present, that objectivity is suspect, to say the least.
I disagree, basically because he has already done this. Like I posted earlier. He had the FF2, Mighty/Crafty, IQ and Pax 3 as 95/100 or his top tier. Now FF2, IQ and Pax3 have been kicked down and in FF2 case off his top tier list but not the Mighty/Crafty. If the Mighty/Crafty were on par with the others mentioned what gives. Did Mighty/Crafty suddenly improve in quality against the others. Some say its his "NEW" rating system but its not consistent with his previous reviews and it happened just as Ghost was coming out.He has a Milaana too, and has for some while ,and has not reviewed it. I wonder why. On demand ,full convection, lower price point 18650 battery etc. ??????
Maybe using it over time changed his mind? Like when I first got a pax 2 I thought I would never need another vape, but then the flaws started to come out. Like the mouthpiece getting G stuck and constantly cleaning it. Eventually the shine of this vape wore off. Maybe that's what happened?
Or maybe he has an agreement with S&B too?????????? I mean If I was S&B and had a guy who had good influence on a group of known buyers and I could help give him a better understanding on the quality of my product, for say $20 a unit & maybe much more, Id be all over it. Its a small portion of your profit to increase unit sales. Its called a paid endorsement and done ALL the time. Its just good business sense when its legal. Just sayin!
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bryancross
Member
Right... they're giving him 20$ a unit and maybe much more. That kind of speculation is just crazy honestly, 20$ / unit is A LOT for any business on an item(s) around 300$-500$.
So, from what you've said S&B paying him % on every unit and ghost mv1 paying him ect....
Hogni
Honi soit qui mal y pense
28 pages and I guess alone 20 regarding only speculations about Bud. In a certain way it's pretty OT. Don't you think so?
I'm sharing a lot of your concerns but don't you think we should wait for the first reviews from other people than Bud after it's release? I'm watching the whole thread and don't believe that it's very helpfully for people who are just looking for infos by facts about the Ghost up to now.
Sorry, don't want to offend anybody just my
I'm sharing a lot of your concerns but don't you think we should wait for the first reviews from other people than Bud after it's release? I'm watching the whole thread and don't believe that it's very helpfully for people who are just looking for infos by facts about the Ghost up to now.
Sorry, don't want to offend anybody just my
vaporcloud
lurking kiwi
Yeah I'm sick of the talk about the reviewer instead of the vape. When is it due to be released?
elykpeace
exVASted
End of August....
Fwiw they sent out an email that said be ready.. been ready. If not this week maybe next.. or the week after.
"Ghost"
bryancross
Member
I thought on the website somewhere it said mid to late September.